The "other" CO2 problem is still not getting the attention it deserves...
NOAA Ocean Acidification Demonstration
Ocean Acidification is a global-scale change in the basic chemistry of oceans that is under way now, as a direct result of the increased carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. We are just beginning to understand the impacts of Ocean Acidification on life in the ocean. The moniker osteoporosis of the sea, gives you a hint about some of its impacts. To learn more about ocean acidification, please visit www.pmel.noaa.gov/co2/OA/.
It reminds me of the climate change problem in the mid 90ies..Being ignored is worse than being denied..
We need Al Gore to make another movie...
In ten years Acidified Ocean deniers? They will probably blame the sun..
Ocean Acidification... in a nutshell
In the end what is needed to lower the CO2 produced by all the Global Economies is successful research into not polluting alternatives such as Hydrogen?
Otherwise, I cannot see ant Nation State curtailing the use of fossil fuels for their economies sake...
Anybody else remember acid rain?
Thursday, June 10, 2010
Ocean Acidification ? - The Sea is Alkaline You Dumbos!
"Ocean acidification" is the new poster child of the Global Warming alarmists and an array of researchers have collected their non-BigOil millions from the taxpayer and gone forth to do research to find some sort of data to justify their pre-determined result!
For the un-initiated sea water varies naturally between a pH of 7.4 and 8.5 with an average of 8.1compared to a neutral pH of 7. Below a pH level of 7 a solution becomes acid. Of course if you take a limited tank and flush Co2 through it a first year chemistry or engineering student will tell you that some carbonic acid will be formed - but will then break down almost immediately. How flushing CO2 madly through seawater equates to the sea being in contact with air which has microscopic amounts of CO2 of .03% (or 3 parts in ten thousand ) mystifies me but that is what the Global Change Institute is doing - mind you they will be having a lovely tax-payer funded time on the Great Barrier Reef in the process!
ON AN idyllic coral atoll just a two-hour boat ride from Queensland's Gladstone Harbour, out past the endless line of tankers queued to load coal for export, a half-dozen scientists work frantically against the tide.
Their objective? To explore the consequences of rising atmospheric carbon - which evidence overwhelmingly attributes to the burning of coal and other fossil fuels - on the delicate chemistry of the reef and the creatures living there.
The project team, led by David Kline, a young scientist from the University of Queensland's Global Change Institute, is completing tests on a new underwater laboratory that will expose living corals on the Great Barrier Reef to the more acidic conditions forecast for oceans by the end of the century.
According to to the Wiki The extra dissolved carbon dioxide has caused the ocean's average surface pH to shift by about 0.1 unit from pre-industrial levels - this is in spite of all the CO2 spewing out of those power stations keeping us warm and toasty in winter.
Now Blind Freddie can see that with a pH of 8.1 ,a natural pH variation of 1.1 and a pH change of only .1 in the last century the sea will never turn acid and that the change attributed to AGW is negligible compared to the natural variation and all the wee sea beasties will not be dissolved in an acid bath of mankind's making!
Now we have claims from Warmists that the financial cost to Australia of failing to take action against acidified oceans may be worse than both world wars combined.
Alarmed with the gravity of this threat I thought we would need a secret weapon to blitzkreig this deadly carbonic acid that was going to be worse than the Kaiser and Hitler combined.
After much Big Oil funded research I found that the US Department of Energy supplied the answer ! The secret weapon causing rapid breakdown of carbonic acid is , wait for it, WATER. Yes, carbonic acid breaks down rapidly in water and claims it is irreversible are utter hogwash.
We will have to wait for the next big scare as this one is a non-event!
Posted by Baron at 11:50 PM
"The Sea is Alkaline You Dumbos! "
Typical denialist strawman bullshit ..
"It is not warming because it is cold in Poland"
"It is not acidifying because it is alkaline"
The ocean is is acidifying,,,With very serious consequences..
Maybe Kevin Noone can explain to you..
Very interesting presentation!
Climate change and ocean acidification
Stockholm Resilience Centre researcher Kevin Noone provides a geochemical background on climate change and ocean acidification.
This presentation was part of a seminar organised by the Swedish international development cooperation agency (Sida) and Stockholm Resilience Centre, and gathered some of the world's authorities on oceans, coastal areas and climate change gathered to discuss what needs to be done to curb climate change impacts on oceans and depending livelihoods.
The PH scale is liberal hogwash.
propagated by cabals of communists, IMO
occurs naturally when whales have heart burn. .
"Typical denialist strawman bullshit .. "
"Typical" demonizing of those who disagree with you.
Do you really believe that the oceans are not changing and have not changed from all that we put into them?
>Ocean Acidification ? - The Sea is Alkaline You Dumbos!
Children getting taller?
Children are SHORT!
and planting too many crops sucks all the life out of the sun too.
we don't really interact with the sun
Oh yes we do.
We are sucking it dry.
( I'm just going with the theme here, you are not supposed to take it seriously)
Some of those are very funny..thanks..
The oceans can not be acidifying because Al Gore is FAT!
And now for something completely serious..
Ocean Acidification and the Effects to Open Ocean and Coastal Ecosystems
Presentation by Dr. Richard Feely, AGU Fellow and Supervisory Oceanographer at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) Pacific Marine Environmental Laboratory, Seattle, given on January 31, 2009
"I'm just going with the theme here, you are not supposed to take it seriously"
And I'm pointing out that the comparison doesn't make any sense because we can't dump stuff into the sun, take stuff out, or use uit for transportation.
So while it's absurd to claim our actions are having an impact on the sun, it's clearly not absurd to claim the same about the ocean
SETI has idetified one star that shows the signatures of enough rare earth elements to suggest that the easiest explanation would be that someone had been dumping massive amounts of atomic waste into it...
... a couple of thousand years ago, when the light reaching us was emitted.
No it's true, we are sucking the sun dry.
"someone had been dumping massive amounts of atomic waste into it... "
Surely such is a possibility in the future, but i think it's safe to say this isn't the current circumstance we are facing, with our own sun
Maybe someone near us is doing it with our Sun, too.
But more discretely.
Sorry... proof that the PH scale is liberal hogwash.
It pretty much echoes what I have said before about news agencies having a "liberal bias";
that it's impossible to make the news neutral when the facts, themselves, would more often encourage a normal person to left-of center thinking.
Of course, if living in a world rationally constructed from the results of empricial observation does not do enough to justify doing things the way we prefer to do them, we can always just replace that world with the content of any book that says that whatever we want to hear happens to be true.
Who needs history books when we have Ayn Rand novels?
Who needs the paleontological record when we have the Bible?
There was an article awhile ago... posted here I think. About studies that suggested that right-wingers tend to act more on preconception based impulse, while left-wingers act more according to what's actually in front of them.
As I understand it, that was statistical correlation.
It doesn't mean that having a conservative ideology necessarily makes a person mentally inflexible.
It could simply mean that one of the reasons that someone might lean conservative would be mental inflexibility.
I know mentally inflexible lefties, too. My mother is quite inflexible, for example.
A difference I consider is that if a mentally inflexible person leans left, they're going to be faced with more adaprtive challenges than if they lean right. A mentally inflexible lefty extremist "has to" resolve various internal inconsistencies, whereas a mentally inflexible rightie extremist only has to keep referencing and repeating what has already been said and done.
Yes..I do think the Republicans fuck(ed) up on climate change science..
But to bring this back to topic a bit...
The problem with CO2 is even larger then Climate Change...
A beautiful video of our earth breathing..
>As I understand it, that was statistical correlation.<
Definitely. It was statistical. And it also took some inference to draw the conclusion that the results actually meant that people who tend toward the right also tend to be more inflexible. Still, it was interesting. And what it really seemed to say to me is that certain people adopt preconceptions more quickly... and that more of those people lean toward the right. If so, the question might be whether or not right wing ideology is a more widely pushed preconception... or if right wing rhetoric is more prone to pushing preconception. Definitely, nothing really proven. Mostly just leads to more questions, like most statistical studies.
So when the carbonic acid in the ocean (cold water is worse) takes out oysters in the Pacific Northwest, on its way to attacking the big plankton bloom, which will knock out the food chain up there, when the declining cod have not yet recovered, I wonder who will turn up 'unsubscribed,' and who will hurry the hell up and want legal industrial hemp and subsidized switchgrass for construction materials and biomass, and genetically engineered plants, to re-green deserts and polluted land and sea areas?
Hurry back, it's 2012, and Obama might get a girl pregnant, or nothing else will happen, to upstage his mild support, for same-sex marriage.
Interesting study by media matters..
Why the net still matters as an info source!
STUDY: Kardashians Get 40 Times More News Coverage Than Ocean Acidification
June 27, 2012 10:58 am ET by Shauna Theel
Carbon dioxide emissions are not just warming up our atmosphere, they're also changing the chemistry of our oceans. This phenomenon is known as ocean acidification, or sometimes as global warming's "evil twin" or the "osteoporosis of the sea." Scientists have warned that it poses a serious threat to ocean life. Yet major American
news outlets covered the Kardashians over 40 times more often than ocean acidification over the past year and a half.
Rising carbon dioxide emissions have caused the oceans to become around 30 percent more acidic since the Industrial Revolution, and if we do not lower the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere, the ocean surface could be up to 150 percent more acidic by 2100. At that level, the shells of some plankton would dissolve, large parts of the ocean would become inhospitable to coral reef growth, and the rapidity of the change could threaten much of the marine food web. According to the National Research Council, the chemical changes are taking place "at an unprecedented rate and magnitude" and are "practically irreversible on a time scale of centuries."
Despite a boom of recent scientific research documenting this threat, there has been a blackout on the topic at most media outlets. Since the end of 2010, ABC, NBC, and Fox News have completely ignored ocean acidification, and the Los Angeles Times, USA TODAY, Wall Street Journal, MSNBC, CNN, and CBS have barely mentioned it at all.