Ridiculous. Already, those brides who find the tradition to be sexist don't have their fathers walk them down the aisle. What need, for legislation?

I'm having trouble finding Sweeden on the map.

Oh pleez. Black Angus and anyone else who is ever tempted to take what the Cliftard says seriously, please remember he's a bigoted nationalistic proto-fascist who lies his ass off without the slightest hesitation. The scumbag has zero regard for the truth and will happiuly bendor break it. This is like his stupid Ben Affleck thread - trying to put down another country on utterly false pretexts, just to get his nationalist rocks off.

Please people, before ever responding to this compulsive propagandist twit, check his story. In this case, the idea of some "pc police" swooping down on marrying couples who want to get married in the old-fashioned way is totally false.

From the English-language swedish news site The Local:

www.thelocal.se/8571/
Brides' fathers banned from giving away daughters

Published: 21st September 2007 14:29 CET
Online: www.thelocal.se/8571/

A priest in Stockholm has come under fire for not allowing a bride to be walked down the aisle by her father. But church authorities have defended the decision, saying that the tradition is foreign and sexist.

The row started when a bride due to marry on Saturday in a church in the Stockholm archipelago asked to be given away by her father. The priest conducting the ceremony refused the bride's request.

"These are two equal people, and being given away has never been a Swedish tradition," said Rev Yvonne Hallin, priest in charge of the Church of Sweden parish of Djurö, near Stockholm.

The decision caused consternation in the bride's family. The mother of the bride, who chose not to be named, said it was an old tradition in her family for the bride to be walked down the aisle.

"I think my daughter can decide for herself how she wants to do it. She's thirty years old and is extremely aware of equality issues," she told news agency TT.

But church authorities are adamant that it was not suitable for a woman to be given away.

"This symbolizes that the father is the owner of the daughter and that he is giving her away to her new owner," said Rev Eva Brunne, diocesan dean and assistant to Bishop of Stockholm Caroline Krook.

Brunne told The Local that the tradition of giving away a woman was un-Swedish. Traditionally, Swedish couples walk down the aisle to the altar together.

The practice of being given away "only came into our church in the seventies and eighties through American TV shows," she said.

The Diocese of Stockholm leaves the question of whether to allow fathers to walk their daughters down the aisle up to individual parishes.

"My policy is to talk to people. When couples insist, my personal reaction is 'that's too bad for you, but I'll allow it'," said Brunne. But, she added, parishes which completely forbid the practice "have my full respect."

Rev Yvonne Hallin insisted that her church would not be making any exceptions for Saturday's bride.

"I don't care what they do in other churches. Here, the couple walk in together," she told The Local.

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And also a response to the original article Cliife posted (the first item to come up on googlenews, btw):

www.news.com.au/couriermai...272,00.html
I come from a Swedish family, and it might help the journalist who wrote this piece to note that it has never been Swedish custom or tradition for the father of the bride to give her away - in Swedish tradition, the bride walks down the aisle with her husband-to-be as a signal that she gives herself freely in marriage. As Craig says, a woman is "not property to be bartered for" - in Sweden, she has not been viewed as such.

My Swedish father married my Australian mother in Sweden, and they walked down the aisle together - as have generations of my family before them.

Different countries have different traditions, and the traditions that are followed here in Australia are not necessarily widespread. One should respect the customs and traditions of the country in which one lives. And frankly, if the bride didn't like the views of the church, then perhaps she should consider not marrying in the church.

It is unfortunate that, in this case, the journalist didn't avail themselves of all the facts pertinent to the story. This is not news.

Posted by: AJ 8:29am today

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So this what this is actually about is some people wanting to get a church to adopt a practice that is totally antithetical to its tradition, and the church refusing. I'm sure if the situation was happening in America and some couple (or couple's parents, as the original article seems to indicate) wanted a church to adopt some foreign tradition as part of their ceremony and the church didn't want to go along with it, our cliftard would have no problem with that whatsoever.

POLICE???? STRIKES??? and AGAIN?? Wow what a NON swedish expression... Typical MILITARY american term.

We are not americans and will hopefully never bee, unless the TV and Movie (or YOUR militaryPOLICE) takes over our ANCIENT "hednic" heritage of beeing FREE women. Im so tired of this... either one should be copycats of "the american way" or then other cultures are strange? Well, who in america ARE americans from the beginning - the NATIVES, the rest is carried there with ships from mostly Europe... That young nation still wanna determine over other cultures, how come?

I, and all of my swedish girlfriends, find a pride in beeing who we are without complex of NOT beeing wanna-bee americans.. We would NEVER EEEEEEEEEEEVER "LET" a MAN take our hand and pass us over to another man!!!!! *I wold kick their balls*

This is my thoughts anyway... women in sweden DONT wanna be "owned" or "given away" by a freakin man... the thing is - this has started beeing COPIED from american cultures since its been seen in movies and tv-series, and I think it is STUPID that it should suddenly be copied without actually thinking MORE of what actually is portrayed...

AND I am "christian", and I might wanna get married in a church, but no freakin way a dude is "giving me to another man" for christs sake!! AND the priests that say NO to this silly tradition suddenly beeing "romantically" copied from some sexistic shitty un-equal belief system are doing the RIGHT thing. We should strive to reach beyond that and not go backwards... women are free and so are going into a marriage, and both parties saying yes in a holy ceremony shouldnt be "given away" by ANYONE. I can give myself away, period.


Whats ur problem Cliff? Wanna own a woman and give her away to some other man?

Buy a magazine or pornomovie, and pass it over/send it forward when ur done then.


Cliff - I know why you posted this... congratulations that you found something to stir up shit with and provoke, and "get even"?? since you think Ive posted things about your governments actions towards its own people... my god this is PATHETIC.

Theres alot of shit that are sick in Swedens goverments and their rulings, there are egoistic politicians everywhere... alot of MEN think they own and should rule over both women and others will, money and that wanna dominated and control people. But NO way I will EVER - no matter culture, language or sex, let ANYONE "pass me over" or tell me what to think, how to live my life or threathen me into living as a shitty guy tells me.

God, Lord or whatever you wanna call the King of the hierarcys top - which I am free to call whatever I want (my "Lord" is as the original scripture says and not translated into a male figure, darn it learn hebrew) THE ALL... and ALL and EVERYTHING is not ONLY male.

Since that is the case, there is no MALE "overlord" or "king".... FOR ME... but I wont force my beliefs on anyone.

But please, get a grip of ourself, and get over this silly "news"... there are more important things to focus on then that men arent supposed to give away their daughters in sweden.


Why not dig into WHO killed our President/Premier Minister Olof Palme?

Or what the "Swedish 911" was all about - sinking the Estonia ship with the deaths of several hundreds of innocent people...?!

THAT would impress me... and shock me. So surprise me. But NEVER "give me away" to a man ; ) *yak*

The whole concept of marriage is outdated. To argue about specific ceremonial things is like arguing about how many angels are on the head of a pin.