List Of Christians

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  • Re: List Of Christians

    Fri, February 2, 2007 - 6:04 PM
    Notice George Bush isnt on the list :-)
    Only his advisor is mentioned, Michael Gerson, (1965-) advisor to President George W. Bush named in "The 25 Most Influential Evangelicals In America."

    so if Georgy boy isnt Christian then what is he?
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      Re: List Of Christians

      Fri, February 2, 2007 - 6:50 PM
      <so if Georgy boy isnt Christian then what is he?>
      I am going to everyone a favor and not answer that. You only get one pass, so don't push it!
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        Fri, February 2, 2007 - 7:08 PM
        I am going to everyone a favor and not answer that. You only get one pass, so don't push it!
        >>>>>

        Pushing pushing pushing. :-)

        What is he :-)
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      Re: List Of Christians

      Sun, February 4, 2007 - 5:26 AM
      >>>>>>so if Georgy boy isnt Christian then what is he? <<<<<<
      The list is not exhaustive. His absence should not be taken to suggest that he is or is not a Christian. You're not on the list either, but it doesn't follow that you are NOT a Christian.
      • Re: List Of Christians

        Sun, February 4, 2007 - 6:40 AM
        You're not on the list either, but it doesn't follow that you are NOT a Christian.
        >>>>>>>>>.

        Who's to say they would except my name on the list any way.
        I don't follow any form of organized Corporate Christianity.
        I am not a member of any physical Church, just the spiritual one that is in my heart.
        • Re: List Of Christians

          Sun, February 4, 2007 - 8:39 AM
          Shasta
          How is it that you know that "Jesus Loves Me"?
          Jesus is a fictional component in a Religion that I do not practice.
          Jesus is as "real" to me as Santa Claus and The Easter Bunny. Something that is not a component of one's Faith is incapable of loving them.
          There have been some very good points made here by Christians who claim that becuase there are persons of the Faith who do wrongdoings,and thus are not "Christians" but this is a false claim,once a person is baptised a Christian,they will always BE a Christian. It's easy to say that "Joe over there isn't a Christian becuase he beats his wife and rapes his two 12 yr old daughters" but the sad TRUTH is that "Joe" is very much a Christian becuase he was baptised into the Faith at birth.
          • Re: List Of Christians

            Sun, February 4, 2007 - 8:58 AM
            >>>>>How is it that you know that "Jesus Loves Me"? >>>>>>>>>>>


            Because he says so.

            >>>>Jesus is a fictional component in a Religion that I do not practice.
            Jesus is as "real" to me as Santa Claus and The Easter Bunny. Something that is not a component of one's Faith is incapable of loving them. >>>>>>

            Because you say so. :-)



            >>>>>There have been some very good points made here by Christians who claim that becuase there are persons of the Faith who do wrongdoings,and thus are not "Christians" but this is a false claim,once a person is baptised a Christian,they will always BE a Christian. >>>>

            Not so, your wrong.


            >>>it's easy to say that "Joe over there isn't a Christian becuase he beats his wife and rapes his two 12 yr old daughters" but the sad TRUTH is that "Joe" is very much a Christian becuase he was baptised into the Faith at birth.>>>>


            This is a practice of some denominations not all of them.
            You as a person have to accept Jesus and his teachings to be a Christian.
            It can not be baptized on you as a Child.

            So let me get this straight, If I dragged your sorry ass into the water and baptized you would now be a Christian?

            You know very little about Christians as a whole so you need to stop your hate speech against Christians as a whole.
            Move on hate monger move on.
            • Re: List Of Christians

              Sun, February 4, 2007 - 9:33 AM
              <<So let me get this straight,If I dragged your sorry ass into water and baptised you,you'd be a christian>>
              If done by Christian Clergy...YEP!
              The Baptismal into the Faith is a Key Element in Christianity as is explained in that Christian handbook of yours. Enter Fictional Character: "John The Baptist".
              Your Jesus might have told YOU that "he loves Me" but since I dont buy into the Christian Fairy Tale,your Jesus has yet to tell me that he loves Me.
              As for knowing little of your Faith? NOT So Christian Soldier! I was raised a Christian,until I finally "saw the light" and got out of a Fanciful Faith designated to enslave a populous to a fictional Jesus Christ for the purpose of empowering the Church.
              • Re: List Of Christians

                Sun, February 4, 2007 - 9:50 AM
                I was raised a Christian,until I finally "saw the light" and got out of a Fanciful Faith designated to enslave a populous to a fictional Jesus Christ for the purpose of empowering the Church.
                >>>>>>>>>>

                So you are a Christian. :-)

                Welcome home brother, Once a Christian always a Christian.
                • Re: List Of Christians

                  Sun, February 4, 2007 - 10:49 AM
                  EX-Christian Shasta
                  I was EX-Communicated from the Church and the Faith at nine years old and branded a "Child Of Satan" by the Minister. My "Christian Crime"?
                  I told our Sunday School teacher that the Bible was "dimentionally incorrect" and that Noah could not possibly fit two of every living thing on earth into a boat as small as the Ark and that even a ship the size of the 883 foot long Titanic didnt have that capability either,she then told Us that "God Shrunk all the Animals"..I then told her she was "Nuts" and was marched upstairs to the Minister who then "excommunicated Me" from the Christian Faith.
                  I have been studying the Christian Bible's "Other" Incorrect assumptions and "Blind Faith Impossible Truths" ever since.
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                    Re: List Of Christians

                    Sun, February 4, 2007 - 12:13 PM
                    <I was EX-Communicated from the Church and the Faith at nine years old and branded a "Child Of Satan" by the Minister.>

                    They noticed that early on?
                    • Re: List Of Christians

                      Sun, February 4, 2007 - 1:48 PM
                      Uh..noticed "What" Stickboy?
                      I "Refutted their Bible's Teachings" saw the absolute fakery in a boat the size of the Ark as capable of carrying that many living things,when my Sunday School Teacher had no other"out" left but to tell us that God SHRUNK the Animals I told her she was "Nuts".
                      In My Christian Church anyone who refutte's the Holy Bible(Doubts the word of God) is branded a "Devil Worshipper" or as in My Case a "Child Of Satan".
                      This just goes to show how Fucked UP the Christian Church Is.
                      • Re: List Of Christians

                        Sun, February 4, 2007 - 2:05 PM
                        It was a joke, Jake. I also grew up in a church, a Baptist church, and I got baptized out of my own will early on in High School, but by the time I was in my Junior year, I had pretty much had enough. I remember hitting one of my friends because he was always cussing and that was a sin. I'm glad he refrained from striking me back because I would have gotten my ass kicked for sure. I thought about it for a bit and realized that if it is belief in Jesus that makes someone a Christian then what does it matter if someone says curse words or not? Anyways, those incidents and a few others, such as when I asked my mom if being gay was a sin and she dropped a Bible in front of my bedroom door with tons of bookmarks of verses that she believed show that homosexuality is a sin. I realized that if that is the meaning of those verses or not, I didn't want to be a part of a religion along with people who believed that. Love is love is love is love.

                        I kept going to youth group for a while longer because most of my friends did, tried a few new churches, but I always asked questions that weren't desired and at any church I went to there were always the exclusive cool kids. It wasn't for me. I'm an atheist band geek for life. My mom still gives me gifts like little angels that say "Jesus Loves You" every so often, but my dad, even though he is a pastor, stopped proselytizing at me because I told him I don't want him to. We get along pretty well now and talk about politics most days.

                        I also worked for a Jewish temple for about 7 months playing piano for their three choirs, but they kept urging me to join the temple and sign documents saying that I wouldn't do any drugs so I quit. Me? Not smoke pot? LOL. That day they lost the best pianist they'd had in a long time.
                        • Re: List Of Christians

                          Sun, February 4, 2007 - 5:39 PM
                          "That day they lost the best pianist they'd had in a long time."

                          You just experienced the typical hypocritical fascist zionism. Their loss.
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                    Re: List Of Christians

                    Tue, February 6, 2007 - 2:12 AM
                    I told our Sunday School teacher that the Bible was "dimentionally incorrect"
                    >>>>>>>>>>>>

                    I did the same....a church "people" can not take away your comitment to G_d unless you let them.

                    >>I have been studying the Christian Bible's "Other" Incorrect assumptions and "Blind Faith Impossible Truths" ever since. >>>>>>

                    Why?

                    Just move on, find something that brings joy to others instead of this crusade to tear them down.
                    • Re: List Of Christians

                      Tue, February 6, 2007 - 9:24 AM
                      The Problem was Shasta,that through improper teaching BY my Church,by age nine I was questioning the validity of the Church's guidebook (the Bible),I never developed any "Committment with their God" becuase to me,it seemed all so un-realistic. The Story of Noahs Ark has since been debunked and dismissed as not probable(as it's written IN the Bible) by Christian Scholars.So I wasn't too far off after all in 1965 when I questioned it's feasability in Sunday School.According to the Minister,no child before me had ever done this.
                      All it took to debunk a Bible back then was a very gifted child reader like myself,to question the Biblical truth and Ideology of my Church and the writings in a book that were so "un-beleivable". This wasn't something children of nine weren't supposed to "do", so as a result I was thrown out of the Church and subsequently,out of the Christian Religion.
                      When I discovered through my reading of it, all the deceptions of the Bible at that age,it soured me on the Idea of having any committment to their Christian God.
                      I am not on a "Crusade" to tear down anything that others embrace,I can only speak of my experience with the Christian Church. Had it been a warm loving experience,I might well think differently of the Faith today,but it wasn't and I stick by my belief that the Christian Faith is a fabrication to control a populous with.
                      • Re: List Of Christians

                        Tue, February 6, 2007 - 6:04 PM
                        I stick by my belief that the Christian Faith is a fabrication to control a populous with.
                        >>>>>>>>

                        It was and still is used this way.
                        Some people live to be led, I am not one of them.

  • Re: List Of Christians

    Fri, February 2, 2007 - 7:05 PM
    Adolph Hitler was as much a Christian as the Pope is an atheist
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      Re: List Of Christians

      Fri, February 2, 2007 - 8:56 PM
      <Adolph Hitler was as much a Christian as the Pope is an atheist>

      I have a problem with that since I beleive that Hilter was not a Christian and that the Pope is an atheist.
      • Re: List Of Christians

        Fri, February 2, 2007 - 8:58 PM
        Any Pope or just this current one?
        • Re: List Of Christians

          Fri, February 2, 2007 - 9:05 PM
          If the Shrub isn't a 'Christian" then why did he announce to a White House Prayer Group
          "God Told Me To Attack Iraq"? and then proceed to do so three months later.
          Only a Christian would hear God's voice in their heads and use it as a means to go to War.
          If Bush Is Not a Christian he sure is sucking-up to them and using Christian Doctrine as his "weapon of choice".
          • Re: List Of Christians

            Fri, February 2, 2007 - 9:28 PM
            <If the Shrub isn't a 'Christian" then why did he announce to a White House Prayer Group
            "God Told Me To Attack Iraq"? and then proceed to do so three months later.>

            To garner support from his Christian base.

            <Only a Christian would hear God's voice in their heads and use it as a means to go to War.>

            That's quite a big claim.

            <If Bush Is Not a Christian he sure is sucking-up to them and using Christian Doctrine as his "weapon of choice".>

            You think?
            • Re: List Of Christians

              Fri, February 2, 2007 - 9:30 PM
              I do not think the pope is an atheist. Hitler was a catholic, but that doesn't make him a christian.
              • Re: List Of Christians

                Sat, February 3, 2007 - 6:52 PM
                "Hitler was a catholic, but that doesn't make him a christian."

                Hitler was baptized a Catholic as an infant but rejected Christianity as an adult.
                • Re: List Of Christians

                  Sat, February 3, 2007 - 8:26 PM
                  "Hitler was baptized a Catholic as an infant but rejected Christianity as an adult."

                  Yeah, that nazi-vatican concordant thing was nothing really.
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                    Re: List Of Christians

                    Sun, February 4, 2007 - 2:45 PM
                    "Yeah, that nazi-vatican concordant thing was nothing really."

                    It certainly wasn't a declaration that Hitler was Catholic. Hitler had a nonaggression treaty with the communists in the Soviet Union too, but that didn't make Hitler a communist.
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                Sun, February 4, 2007 - 5:58 AM
                <I do not think the pope is an atheist. Hitler was a catholic, but that doesn't make him a christian.>
                Hilter was neither a Christian nor a Catholic. A religion is a belief system to belong to it, you must believe it. It is not a birth right, or the church that you go to, but what you believe, and that belief is expressed in your actions.

                Mat 7:15 ¶ Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
                Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
                Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
                Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither [can] a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
                Mat 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
                Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
                Mat 7:21 ¶ Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
          • Re: List Of Christians

            Sat, February 3, 2007 - 8:51 AM
            "Only a Christian would hear God's voice in their heads and use it as a means to go to War."

            Or a psychotic skit.
            • Re: List Of Christians

              Sat, February 3, 2007 - 8:51 AM
              Woops:

              "Or a psychotic skitz."
              • Re: List Of Christians

                Sat, February 3, 2007 - 9:03 AM
                Peophile Priest's ARE "Christians" Shasta
                Confirmed as Christians and Ordaned by the Bishops of the Catholic Church. If these Homosexual Men of the Cloth Pedophile's aren't "Christians" then what are they?
                • Re: List Of Christians

                  Sun, February 4, 2007 - 6:30 AM
                  Confirmed as Christians and Ordaned by the Bishops of the Catholic Church. If these Homosexual Men of the Cloth Pedophile's aren't "Christians" then what are they?
                  >>>>>>>>>>

                  They are still called Homosexual Pedophiles.
                  They hide behind the cloth to do their preying "not to be confused with praying" on little boys.
                  They go after little girls too but I think that's because at that point in a Childs life their appearance is ambiguous and they look the same minus the weenie.

                  Jesus told us to beware of Wolves in sheep's clothing or was that Bears?

                  No where in the teachings of Christ is there a chapter on Homosexual Men being allowed to fuck little boys.
                  Actually I don't think men banging other males is condoned any where in the bible.......wait a min I see... never mind moving on.

                  There are rules in the Bible I don't like either, but I am not on a crusade to demonize or end the religion.
                  One can call themselves a Christian but it doesn't make it so, and being ordained by the Bishops of the Catholic Church or any church for that matter doesn't make you a Christian either.
                  They don't get to make that decision for you or for G_d.

                  Your personal acceptance of Christ and then following the path, that is what makes you a Christian.

                  Be good to each other, help each other, follow the big 10 and Jake stop the hate, Jesus loves you.
              • Re: List Of Christians

                Sun, February 4, 2007 - 8:52 PM
                The simple psychotics are rarely "with it" enough to lead people into war. It's the bipolar (manic) people with psychotic features who do.


                Gregory Goldmakher
          • Re: List Of Christians

            Sat, February 3, 2007 - 6:51 PM
            "If the Shrub isn't a 'Christian" then why did he announce to a White House Prayer Group
            "God Told Me To Attack Iraq"?"

            Except that you're lying Jake and he never announced that to a White House prayer group. Pretty pathetic when you have to resort to quotations you made up.
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          Re: List Of Christians

          Sun, February 4, 2007 - 5:35 AM
          Any Pope, One would have to be an Atheist to have the audacity to claim his place on earth, and not fear any reprocusions.
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    Re: List Of Christians

    Fri, February 2, 2007 - 9:51 PM
    Christians believe in teh army of one. Because nobody else is a eal christian or as christian as they are. The butt banking evangelical is not a real christian, the priest that robs his church of $600K is not a christiand, So the set of christians is either null or just one. So why do so many people go to church and shake each others hands?
    • Re: List Of Christians

      Sat, February 3, 2007 - 8:09 AM
      Don't forget all those "Good Christian Men of The Cloth,Catholic Preist's who rape little altar boys!..are they "not Christians"?
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        Sat, February 3, 2007 - 8:34 AM
        Don't forget all those "Good Christian Men of The Cloth,Catholic Preist's who rape little altar boys!..are they "not Christians"
        >>>>>>>>>>

        No they are not.

        I think they are called Homosexual Pedophiles.
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          Re: List Of Christians

          Sat, February 3, 2007 - 8:33 PM
          <I think they are called Homosexual Pedophiles.>

          A.K.A. Good Christian men
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            Sun, February 4, 2007 - 5:52 AM
            <<I think they are called Homosexual Pedophiles.>

            A.K.A. Good Christian men >

            There is no greater evidence for the deciever at work in the world, then the fact that Christianity is blamed for the actions of those which work against its goals, and the good works that his people do are ignored.
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            Sun, February 4, 2007 - 6:34 AM

            A.K.A. Good Christian men
            >>>>>>>>>

            Maybe in the deviant world you live in but not in my world.
            Personaly I would put them down like the sick animals they are.
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        Sun, February 4, 2007 - 5:48 AM
        <Re: List Of Christians
        Don't forget all those "Good Christian Men of The Cloth,Catholic Preist's who rape little altar boys!..are they "not Christians"? >

        Jesus warns us against those that would be called father and desire to walk in long robes:


        Luk 20:46 Beware of the scribes, which desire to walk in long robes, and love greetings in the markets, and the highest seats in the synagogues, and the chief rooms at feasts;
        Luk 20:47 Which devour widows' houses, and for a shew make long prayers: the same shall receive greater damnation.





        Mat 23:2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
        Mat 23:3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, [that] observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
        Mat 23:4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay [them] on men's shoulders; but they [themselves] will not move them with one of their fingers.
        Mat 23:5 But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,
        Mat 23:6 And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,
        Mat 23:7 And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi.
        Mat 23:8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, [even] Christ; and all ye are brethren.
        Mat 23:9 And call no [man] your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
        Mat 23:10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, [even] Christ.
        Mat 23:11 But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.
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      Sun, February 4, 2007 - 5:40 AM
      <Christians believe in teh army of one. Because nobody else is a eal christian or as christian as they are. The butt banking evangelical is not a real christian, the priest that robs his church of $600K is not a christiand, So the set of christians is either null or just one. So why do so many people go to church and shake each others hands? >

      I have met many Christians. What makes a Christian is that they believe in the teaching of Jesus and they do them. It's really quite simple. If I claimed to be a tailor, but never made a suit or learned how to sew, then no one would believe me. So why do you believe that people are Christians who do not keep the teachings of Jesus?
  • www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice...6/bush.shtml

    President George W Bush told Palestinian ministers that God had told him to invade Afghanistan and Iraq - and create a Palestinian State, a new BBC series reveals.



    In Elusive Peace: Israel and the Arabs, a major three-part series on BBC TWO (at 9.00pm on Monday 10, Monday 17 and Monday 24 October), Abu Mazen, Palestinian Prime Minister, and Nabil Shaath, his Foreign Minister, describe their first meeting with President Bush in June 2003.



    Nabil Shaath says: "President Bush said to all of us: 'I'm driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, "George, go and fight those terrorists in Afghanistan." And I did, and then God would tell me, "George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq …" And I did. And now, again, I feel God's words coming to me, "Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East." And by God I'm gonna do it.'"



    Abu Mazen was at the same meeting and recounts how President Bush told him: "I have a moral and religious obligation. So I will get you a Palestinian state."



    The series charts the attempts to bring peace to the Middle East, from President Bill Clinton's peace talks in 1999/2000 to Israel's withdrawal from Gaza last August.



    Norma Percy, series producer of The 50 Years War (1998) returns, with producers Mark Anderson and Dan Edge, to tell the inside story of another seven years of crisis.



    Presidents and Prime Ministers, their generals and ministers tell what happened behind closed doors as peace talks failed and the intifada exploded.



    Israel and the Arabs: Elusive Peace - Mondays 10, 17 and 24 October, from 9.00 to 10.00pm on BBC TWO.

    • Too bad the BBC Picked it up RON! "God Told me to attack Iraq" This has been an established FACT said BY BUSH since 2003! But just becuase your PRECIOUS LITTLE CHRISTIAN FAITH was used as a Bush Ploy ...you call people Liars?
      Next time you feel the desperate NEED to defend YOUR CHRISTIAN FAITH by calling a guy a LIAR! HEY LAWYER-BOY? Make DAMN sure YOUR RIGHT!
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        Christianity- The gospel of reconsiliation, peace and love.
        George Bush- war monger, profiteer sociopath

        Bush is not a Christian by definition.
        • "Bush is not a Christian by definition."

          Ricardo, it is so nice that God placed you on earth to be able to personally determine who is a Christian in God's eyes.
          • Wrong again Ron!
            there are NUMEROUS articles and video's on the net from that Prayer Group
            In FACT it was with the "Heirarchy" of the Evangelical Movement who were in attendance. Present at this Prayer Breakfast were:
            George W Bush
            James Dobson Of Focus On The Family
            Ted Haggard also of His(then)Colorado Springs Evangelical Ministry(since "Defrocked" by a Gay scandal)
            Jimmy Swaggart
            Pat Roberton
            Robert Tillman
            and Jerry Fallwell
            This White house Prayer Breakfast took place in April of 2002. and THAT is where America first heard "God Told Me To Attack Iraq"

            Look it UP RON! all one has to Google is: "God Told Me To Attack Iraq".
            You just cannot STAND anyone or any incident defaming your Ohh so SACRED Christian Religion! Got news for you Bubbalah...Theres PLENTY Of it out there,all one has to DO is "Look beyond his Bible"!

      • "Too bad the BBC Picked it up RON! "God Told me to attack Iraq""

        Once again you're lying Jake. You claimed that Bush said that at a White House Prayer group. That wasn't a White House prayer group, and no one else has corroborated that account, which comes from someone in a different language in a different culture trying to understand an English speaking person through an interpreter, and then his comments get filtered through other interpreters. What that guy describes sounds more like it came from a Muslim Imam than a westerner.

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