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...according to Bush, Cheney and Rumsfield anyway....
Andrew Sullivan:
In all the discussion of John McCain's recently recovered memory of a religious epiphany in Vietnam, one thing has been missing. The torture that was deployed against McCain emerges in all the various accounts. It involved sleep deprivation, the withholding of medical treatment, stress positions, long-time standing, and beating. Sound familiar?
According to the Bush administration's definition of torture, McCain was therefore not tortured.
Cheney denies that McCain was tortured; as does Bush. So do John Yoo and David Addington and George Tenet. In the one indisputably authentic version of the story of a Vietnamese guard showing compassion, McCain talks of the agony of long-time standing. A quarter century later, Don Rumsfeld was putting his signature to memos lengthening the agony of "long-time standing" that victims of Bush's torture regime would have to endure. These torture techniques are, according to the president of the United States, merely "enhanced interrogation."
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...in the Military Commissions Act, McCain acquiesced to the use of these techniques against terror suspects by the CIA. And so the tortured became the enabler of torture. Someone somewhere cried out in pain for the same reasons McCain once did. And McCain let it continue.
andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/th...tml
Andrew Sullivan:
In all the discussion of John McCain's recently recovered memory of a religious epiphany in Vietnam, one thing has been missing. The torture that was deployed against McCain emerges in all the various accounts. It involved sleep deprivation, the withholding of medical treatment, stress positions, long-time standing, and beating. Sound familiar?
According to the Bush administration's definition of torture, McCain was therefore not tortured.
Cheney denies that McCain was tortured; as does Bush. So do John Yoo and David Addington and George Tenet. In the one indisputably authentic version of the story of a Vietnamese guard showing compassion, McCain talks of the agony of long-time standing. A quarter century later, Don Rumsfeld was putting his signature to memos lengthening the agony of "long-time standing" that victims of Bush's torture regime would have to endure. These torture techniques are, according to the president of the United States, merely "enhanced interrogation."
..snip..
...in the Military Commissions Act, McCain acquiesced to the use of these techniques against terror suspects by the CIA. And so the tortured became the enabler of torture. Someone somewhere cried out in pain for the same reasons McCain once did. And McCain let it continue.
andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/th...tml
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Re: McCain was NOT tortured
Tue, August 19, 2008 - 5:39 PM"...in the Military Commissions Act, McCain acquiesced to the use of these techniques against terror suspects by the CIA. And so the tortured became the enabler of torture. Someone somewhere cried out in pain for the same reasons McCain once did. And McCain let it continue."
I disagree with this. In that bill, he voted against setting the same limits on the CIA as we do the US army. What you are trying to do is smudge the truth, and present it as him endorsing such tactics
Sorry, I was actually thinking of a different bill
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Re: McCain was NOT tortured
Tue, August 19, 2008 - 7:54 PMHe was made uncomfortable, perhaps? Uncomfortable for 5 years?
But it was for the greater glory of the McCain military-industrial-brewery dynasty.
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Tue, August 19, 2008 - 8:54 PMSo therefore McCain is lying once again. He wasn't tortured at all. Just ask his hero GWB. -
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Re: McCain was NOT tortured
Tue, August 19, 2008 - 9:06 PMlets not forget:
McCain's dad was an Admiral of the US Navy....so was his grand -pa.
I don't doubt that he was tortured...BUT.......he claims to have refused to be released.........BS.
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Re: McCain was NOT tortured
Tue, August 19, 2008 - 9:06 PMPresidential candidate John McCain (R-AZ) voted against the measure despite his prior opposition to waterboarding.
www.senate.gov/legislativ...ote_cfm.cfm
Number: H.R. 2082 (Intelligence Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008 )
McCain (R-AZ), Nay
(Sec. 327) Prohibits any individual under the custody or control of an IC element, regardless of nationality or physical location, from being subject to any treatment or technique of interrogation not authorized by the U.S. Army Field Manual on Human Intelligence Collector Operations.
Measure Title: A bill to authorize appropriations for fiscal year 2008 for intelligence and intelligence-related activities of the United States Government, the Community Management Account, and the Central Intelligence Agency Retirement and Disability System, and for other purposes.
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Detainee Treatment Act of 2005, as included in the Department of Defense Appropriations Act, 2006 and agreed to by the US House and Senate and signed by President Bush, December 30, 2005 [incorporating the McCain Amendment and the Graham-Levin Amendment on detainees].
SEC. 1002. UNIFORM STANDARDS FOR THE INTERROGATION OF PERSONS UNDER THE DETENTION OF THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE.
(a) In General- No person in the custody or under the effective control of the Department of Defense or under detention in a Department of Defense facility shall be subject to any treatment or technique of interrogation not authorized by and listed in the United States Army Field Manual on Intelligence Interrogation.
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Waterboarding is legal, White House says
www.latimes.com/news/print...43308.story
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On March 8, Mr. Bush announced in his weekly radio broadcast that he had vetoed Congress's latest attempt to limit torture, H.R. 2082, the Intelligence Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008, which would have banned waterboarding on other methods disallowed by the Army Field Manual, saying, "The bill Congress sent me would take away one of the most valuable tools in the war on terror -- the CIA program to detain and question key terrorist leaders and operatives."
