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House bill lets the RIAA take your home
Posted by Mike (Shmoo) on May 11, 2008 at 8:10 PM (printer friendly)
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Posted by Cory Doctorow, May 9, 2008 3:15 AM | permalink
Glenn sez,
I was just alerted that the House of Reps has passed HR 4279, with the lovely name, PRO-IP (Prioritizing Resources and Organization for Intellectual Property Act of 2008). Like the doublespeak PATRIOT Act and Peacekeeper missiles, PRO-IP puts local law enforcement in a position to demand the forfeiture in criminal proceedings of stuff used to violate copyright. Which means that instead of the RIAA simply trying to collect fines, they can also incite local authorities to collect all the computers and related gear that was used to pirate.
This isn't a judgment on my part as to whether piracy is good or bad (I think copyright deserves to be protected through reasonable methods), but I am always horrified when civil enforcement morphs into criminal enforcement. Conservatives and liberals should be up in arms alike that local prosecutors and/or police could intervene as they desire in essentially a private affair arranged by the RIAA, and permanently seize thousands or tens of thousands of dollars in private property in addition to any civil penalties.
If this bill is passed in its present form by the Senate and signed, that means there's no more pro forma RIAA lawsuit payoffs, because if you wind up settling with the RIAA, you could still lose all your stuff in addition to any fee you paid them.
This is particularly irksome in light of the MSN Music shutdown, about which the EFF has written a strong and powerful letter. It is increasingly likely a normal person could have purchased music legally from an online site, burned it to an ordinary audio CD, and in the right set of circumstances be branded a pirate because the original "granting" authority no longer exists to prove that the consumer was a legitimate purchasers.
The more the law is constructed to sweep in folks who are absolutely observant of it, the more we need broader protections.
www.boycott-riaa.com/article/30608
House bill lets the RIAA take your home
Posted by Mike (Shmoo) on May 11, 2008 at 8:10 PM (printer friendly)
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Posted by Cory Doctorow, May 9, 2008 3:15 AM | permalink
Glenn sez,
I was just alerted that the House of Reps has passed HR 4279, with the lovely name, PRO-IP (Prioritizing Resources and Organization for Intellectual Property Act of 2008). Like the doublespeak PATRIOT Act and Peacekeeper missiles, PRO-IP puts local law enforcement in a position to demand the forfeiture in criminal proceedings of stuff used to violate copyright. Which means that instead of the RIAA simply trying to collect fines, they can also incite local authorities to collect all the computers and related gear that was used to pirate.
This isn't a judgment on my part as to whether piracy is good or bad (I think copyright deserves to be protected through reasonable methods), but I am always horrified when civil enforcement morphs into criminal enforcement. Conservatives and liberals should be up in arms alike that local prosecutors and/or police could intervene as they desire in essentially a private affair arranged by the RIAA, and permanently seize thousands or tens of thousands of dollars in private property in addition to any civil penalties.
If this bill is passed in its present form by the Senate and signed, that means there's no more pro forma RIAA lawsuit payoffs, because if you wind up settling with the RIAA, you could still lose all your stuff in addition to any fee you paid them.
This is particularly irksome in light of the MSN Music shutdown, about which the EFF has written a strong and powerful letter. It is increasingly likely a normal person could have purchased music legally from an online site, burned it to an ordinary audio CD, and in the right set of circumstances be branded a pirate because the original "granting" authority no longer exists to prove that the consumer was a legitimate purchasers.
The more the law is constructed to sweep in folks who are absolutely observant of it, the more we need broader protections.
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Re: PRO-IP law: bad bad bad
Mon, May 12, 2008 - 1:27 PMNow that's pretty fucked.
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Re: PRO-IP law: bad bad bad
Mon, May 12, 2008 - 3:44 PMRIAA is evil. Pure evil.
Piracy is good in my opinion. Where there is genuine privacy there will always be some piracy. Piracy will always exist on the Internet as long as privacy and anonymity exist. I don't personally participate in any kind of piracy myself - as an IT professional I make it a policy to never violate the law when it comes to anything that comes anywhere close to my livelihood. But on principle I think that the Internet needs to be a safe haven for law-breakers of a wide variety. We can't have it both ways. If we want people in places like Iran and China to be able to use the Internet "illegally" (by the laws of those countries) then we have to do what we can to protect privacy and anonymity for EVERYONE EVERYWHERE. -
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Re: PRO-IP law: bad bad bad
Mon, May 12, 2008 - 8:33 PMPiracy is bad, in fact. There's no legitimate comparison between actual piracy and copyright infringement. Anybody who uses the language of 'piracy' or 'theft' to describe unauthorized copying is being intellectually dishonest, and playing right into the hands of those who want an abusive monopoly on the control of the flow of information.
And it's extremely insulting to those who've actually been robbed or burgled. The analogy is so abstract, they might as well call it rape.
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Piracy Bad Jobs good
Tue, May 13, 2008 - 3:26 AMThe problem with Piracy is that the producers do not want to make affordable commodities, and find innovative ways to increase revenue, and the government does not want to provide jobs so people can afford the said commodities.
If I was making the said commodities, I would be against piracy, as it would be ruining my livelihood. If I was broke, I would support piracy, as I would not be able to afford the commodities.
Inflation is a serious issue, and many have had their disposable income disappear to corrupt energy companies, and their bitches in government.
If there was a way to pirate energy I would say FUCK YES!
RIAA is full of shit, they have been trying for a long time to screw people. -
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Arrrrrrr!
Tue, May 13, 2008 - 6:47 AMFor a fair and balanced view of pirates and piracy I would suggest David Cordingly's "Under the Black Flag: The Romance and Reality of Life Among the Pirates".
At Amazon you can "search inside the book": www.amazon.com/Under-Blac.../0156005492
Here's a review: www.rambles.net/cordingly_flag.html
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Re: Arrrrrrr!
Tue, May 13, 2008 - 10:52 AMRIAA is already obsolete.
They are just looking out for their own futures by securing jobs in the state-sponsored property theft industry.
Entire drug enforcement offices are funded completely by property seizures. The RIAA could have a presence in every major town via the same model! Brilliant!
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Re: Arrrrrrr!
Tue, May 13, 2008 - 1:37 PMI wonder if they will hold the parents responsible for all the minors who use torrents -
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Re: Arrrrrrr!
Wed, May 14, 2008 - 2:05 AM<For a fair and balanced view of pirates and piracy I would suggest David Cordingly's>
And all this time I thought watching Pirates of the Caribbean was enough, glad to know I was wrong.
Thanks for the heads up on the Books, I need to build up my stock.
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Re: Arrrrrrr!
Wed, May 14, 2008 - 2:07 AMAnything that I download, that isn't decently mainstream, and I like, I always purchase. Why not support the fuckers if you like their art?
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