A interesting and thoughtful take on Obama's and Wright's relationship. It makes sense.
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Mona Ackerman
Narcissism And Reverend Wright
Posted May 1, 2008
www.huffingtonpost.com/mona-a...46.html
Q: Let me ask you what you think of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Barack Obama's former pastor and one-time religious mentor. We keep hearing and reading that Wright must be narcissistic. How else can one explain his apparent disregard of the damage that he is doing to Obama's campaign? Wouldn't he want an African American such as himself to become president? Why is he sabotaging the very person he would be expected to help? I don't get it.
A: As I've said in previous columns, it is important to be aware not only of the positions that a candidate takes, but also of his or her psychological make-up. Sometimes, no matter how intensely they might hold certain political or ideological beliefs, psychological issues will tell you more about what they will do in office than any position paper issued during the campaign or any statement made in a debate. So, first let's try to understand what a narcissistic character would do in a given situation and how that might explain the relationship Obama and Wright once had and the quite different one they now have.
A narcissistic personality, in a nutshell, has a highly inflated sense of his or her worth. (This may come from what, in actuality, is a profound sense of inferiority, but that is another column). Their grandiosity, their inability to control their impulses and their constant sense of superiority, makes it difficult for them to maintain a relationship. Their actions are often inappropriate. This appears to be the Reverend Wright in a nutshell. No one who has seen him cannot help but conclude that he is a master of the inappropriate, a man in the throes of grandiosity. He even chastised the questioners at the National Press Club, strongly suggesting that they weren't smart enough or informed enough to ask him questions. This is typical narcissistic arrogance, a conviction that they are entitled to deference from others.
Wright's inability to empathize with others, to appreciate their needs, explains why he is oblivious to the damage he's done to Obama and, by extension, to the black community in general. He even asserts that he represents the entirety of the black church in America. He defends himself no matter what the consequences. He sees only his own needs. He is a classic narcissist.
So, his relationship with Obama would not have been some sort of equal exchange - a eminent clergyman and a brilliant and willing student. Reverend Wright would insist on an unequal relationship. He would insist, in fact, on an acknowledgment of his own superiority.
In therapy, I have seen many troubled patients who were been raised by narcissistic mothers. The inability of these mothers to praise their child or to permit the child to exceed the parent's accomplishment can produce an adult who, if successful, will be guilt-ridden. Worse, sometimes the adult child of a narcissistic parent becomes emotionally paralyzed, unable to become an independent and functioning adult.
On television, I have heard some analysts, most of them more schooled in politics than in psychology, suggest that Wright is jealous of Obama's much broader appeal and popularity - a relatively new element in their relationship. This makes a lot of sense. Let's put it in psychological terms. The narcissistic father does not want the son to be more successful than he is.
But what does this say about Barack Obama? Didn't he notice Wright's narcissism before? What blinded Obama to Wright's narcissistic posturing? It's hard to say, but maybe as a fatherless, biracial child, Obama was searching for his own identity and the flamboyant Wright seemed particularly attractive. There was nothing subtle about him. His message was clear, his theology strong and his sense of self simply monumental. This was a man who knew what he believed and who he was. Simple!
Adolescence is often a search for identity -and adolescence in this sense may come later for some than it does for most. Whatever the case, the individual hopefully moves on, incorporating his experiences in what emerges as his own adult identity. Before that, the adolescent may take on very flamboyant, and often defiant, identities. For Obama -- raised partly in a Muslim (Indonesia) country and by a single, white mother and white grandparents, the struggle to find out who he was could have been harder than most.
Far be it from me to offer Obama political advice, but it would show enormous self-awareness, admirable candor and offer comfort to the electorate if he says that Wright once served a purpose he no longer needs. He has moved on. He might want to say something similar about the black liberation theology that Wright preaches. It served its purpose, too. It helped him discover who he is, but he is no longer who he was. Time to move on here, too. Time to jettison what is not needed.
For many reasons, Obama is not likely to be so candid. Yet in recent days, he already did some of this. He divorced himself from Wright -the man and maybe his movement as well. But the impetus for this came not from within, but from considerable external pressure. It was only when Wright became a political burden that the breach was opened and Wright, in the words of countless cliché mongers, was thrown under the bus. It made for gripping television, but for a shrink it raised the question of whether this was a true psychological breakthrough to his own identity or a mere political maneuver.
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Mona Ackerman
Narcissism And Reverend Wright
Posted May 1, 2008
www.huffingtonpost.com/mona-a...46.html
Q: Let me ask you what you think of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Barack Obama's former pastor and one-time religious mentor. We keep hearing and reading that Wright must be narcissistic. How else can one explain his apparent disregard of the damage that he is doing to Obama's campaign? Wouldn't he want an African American such as himself to become president? Why is he sabotaging the very person he would be expected to help? I don't get it.
A: As I've said in previous columns, it is important to be aware not only of the positions that a candidate takes, but also of his or her psychological make-up. Sometimes, no matter how intensely they might hold certain political or ideological beliefs, psychological issues will tell you more about what they will do in office than any position paper issued during the campaign or any statement made in a debate. So, first let's try to understand what a narcissistic character would do in a given situation and how that might explain the relationship Obama and Wright once had and the quite different one they now have.
A narcissistic personality, in a nutshell, has a highly inflated sense of his or her worth. (This may come from what, in actuality, is a profound sense of inferiority, but that is another column). Their grandiosity, their inability to control their impulses and their constant sense of superiority, makes it difficult for them to maintain a relationship. Their actions are often inappropriate. This appears to be the Reverend Wright in a nutshell. No one who has seen him cannot help but conclude that he is a master of the inappropriate, a man in the throes of grandiosity. He even chastised the questioners at the National Press Club, strongly suggesting that they weren't smart enough or informed enough to ask him questions. This is typical narcissistic arrogance, a conviction that they are entitled to deference from others.
Wright's inability to empathize with others, to appreciate their needs, explains why he is oblivious to the damage he's done to Obama and, by extension, to the black community in general. He even asserts that he represents the entirety of the black church in America. He defends himself no matter what the consequences. He sees only his own needs. He is a classic narcissist.
So, his relationship with Obama would not have been some sort of equal exchange - a eminent clergyman and a brilliant and willing student. Reverend Wright would insist on an unequal relationship. He would insist, in fact, on an acknowledgment of his own superiority.
In therapy, I have seen many troubled patients who were been raised by narcissistic mothers. The inability of these mothers to praise their child or to permit the child to exceed the parent's accomplishment can produce an adult who, if successful, will be guilt-ridden. Worse, sometimes the adult child of a narcissistic parent becomes emotionally paralyzed, unable to become an independent and functioning adult.
On television, I have heard some analysts, most of them more schooled in politics than in psychology, suggest that Wright is jealous of Obama's much broader appeal and popularity - a relatively new element in their relationship. This makes a lot of sense. Let's put it in psychological terms. The narcissistic father does not want the son to be more successful than he is.
But what does this say about Barack Obama? Didn't he notice Wright's narcissism before? What blinded Obama to Wright's narcissistic posturing? It's hard to say, but maybe as a fatherless, biracial child, Obama was searching for his own identity and the flamboyant Wright seemed particularly attractive. There was nothing subtle about him. His message was clear, his theology strong and his sense of self simply monumental. This was a man who knew what he believed and who he was. Simple!
Adolescence is often a search for identity -and adolescence in this sense may come later for some than it does for most. Whatever the case, the individual hopefully moves on, incorporating his experiences in what emerges as his own adult identity. Before that, the adolescent may take on very flamboyant, and often defiant, identities. For Obama -- raised partly in a Muslim (Indonesia) country and by a single, white mother and white grandparents, the struggle to find out who he was could have been harder than most.
Far be it from me to offer Obama political advice, but it would show enormous self-awareness, admirable candor and offer comfort to the electorate if he says that Wright once served a purpose he no longer needs. He has moved on. He might want to say something similar about the black liberation theology that Wright preaches. It served its purpose, too. It helped him discover who he is, but he is no longer who he was. Time to move on here, too. Time to jettison what is not needed.
For many reasons, Obama is not likely to be so candid. Yet in recent days, he already did some of this. He divorced himself from Wright -the man and maybe his movement as well. But the impetus for this came not from within, but from considerable external pressure. It was only when Wright became a political burden that the breach was opened and Wright, in the words of countless cliché mongers, was thrown under the bus. It made for gripping television, but for a shrink it raised the question of whether this was a true psychological breakthrough to his own identity or a mere political maneuver.
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Re: Narcissism And Reverend Wright
Fri, May 2, 2008 - 8:26 AMInteresting read. Thanks.
The lingering question---and this goes to judgment---is why did it take Obama *this* long to see Wright for what he is? Why did he have to be forced into this realization from 'outside pressure'?
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Re: Narcissism And Reverend Wright
Fri, May 2, 2008 - 8:56 AMI'm waiting for Obama to acknowledge he's actually a Buddhist. Christianity seeming like one those politically expedient things that no longer serves his true nature either.
I'm being facetious, but I do think the guy is about as zen a politician as I've ever seen. Another possible reason why he was loathe to come down on Wright - just not his style. -
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Re: Narcissism And Reverend Wright
Fri, May 2, 2008 - 9:25 AMIf it wasnt his "style" then why did he follow his preachings for so long. Obama is not Zen but a closet radical Muslim.
Obama has outed himself as a radical by his lifetime of radical associations.
I think its funny that Obama has folded under the pressure. If Obama folds this easily in the primaries then how can people expect him to be a strong leader of this country? -
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Re: Narcissism And Reverend Wright
Fri, May 2, 2008 - 9:59 AM<Obama is not Zen but a closet radical Muslim.>
LOL!
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Re: Narcissism And Reverend Wright
Fri, May 2, 2008 - 10:00 AM<If Obama folds this easily in the primaries then how can people expect him to be a strong leader of this country?>
He folded? He's out of the race? WOW!
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Re: Narcissism And Reverend Wright
Fri, May 2, 2008 - 10:13 AMTokin: If it wasnt his "style" then why did he follow his preachings for so long.
You misunderstood me. I am saying it isn't his style to angrily denounce anyone. It took a lot to evoke that.
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Re: Narcissism And Reverend Wright
Sat, May 3, 2008 - 7:51 AM" "Closet muslim"?- Hahaha! Okay, your joke is better than mine."
If you are going to quote me please quote me correctly. The correct quote is " Closet Radical Muslim". He hides this pretty well as a lot of the ultra lefties either are too blind to see this or just dont care. Either way he is what he is through his lifetime associations and there is nothing that shows otherwise.
He may have thrown Wright under the bus with his white racist grandma but he still supports a racist radical church with a new radical racist pastor...
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Re: Narcissism And Reverend Wright
Sat, May 3, 2008 - 7:55 AMFor once, I am utterly speechless
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Re: Narcissism And Reverend Wright
Fri, May 2, 2008 - 6:20 PM<<Obama is not Zen but a closet radical Muslim. Obama has outed himself as a radical by his lifetime of radical associations.>>
This will be the "swift boat" tactic this year. Count on it. It remains to be seen if the country will fall for these base lies yet again or they finally wake up to the fact that the right has nothing to offer of substance and must rely on this type of character assassination to win. -
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Re: Narcissism And Reverend Wright
Fri, May 2, 2008 - 6:23 PMHow in the world wold you develop the idea that Obama was a radical? -
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Re: Narcissism And Reverend Wright
Fri, May 2, 2008 - 11:17 PMBecause he likes to hang around radicals, and even married one? -
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Re: Narcissism And Reverend Wright
Sat, May 3, 2008 - 6:09 AMRon, unfortunately, those types of beliefs tend to be very common in the black community, at least from my experience. -
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Re: Narcissism And Reverend Wright
Sat, May 3, 2008 - 7:59 AMThe reason some in the black community feel this way is because of a few racist preachers like Wright.
Ignorant people are very willing to follow this type of person while those that know the truth use the tools available to them to get an education, go to college or learn a trade, and get a job that will support a family instead of relying on welfare to support them and cry foul when they feel as though they arent given enough. -
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Re: Narcissism And Reverend Wright
Sat, May 3, 2008 - 8:58 AM"The reason some in the black community feel this way is because of a few racist preachers like Wright. "
I don't agree with Wright's views, or organizations like the NOI, but I do recognize why they exist, and continue to find influence in the AA community. Sticking your head in the sand, and ignoring the cause of such things will never offer you a solution
"Ignorant people are very willing to follow this type of person while those that know the truth use the tools available to them to get an education, go to college or learn a trade, and get a job that will support a family instead of relying on welfare to support them and cry foul when they feel as though they arent given enough."
Poverty is a much more systematic problem then simply the absence of wealth, and is, at times, almost impossible to over come. Telling these people "to go get a job" is simply ignoring that reality
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Re: Narcissism And Reverend Wright
Sat, May 3, 2008 - 9:58 AM"Ron, unfortunately, those types of beliefs tend to be very common in the black community, at least from my experience."
So what? Just because radicalism is common in the black community doesn't make it any less radical
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Re: Narcissism And Reverend Wright
Sat, May 3, 2008 - 6:15 AM<<Obama is not Zen but a closet radical Muslim. >>
Yes. Clearly what happened here is that Wright rescued young Obama from the Madrassa (aka Harvard Law School), waterboarded him into accepting Jesus (rather than the Demon-God of Mammon taught in corporate law class), but the Jesus thing didn't ultimately take. Obama will turn over our government to the Mullas. You heard it here second.
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Re: Narcissism And Reverend Wright
Fri, May 2, 2008 - 6:17 PM<<The lingering question---and this goes to judgment---is why did it take Obama *this* long to see Wright for what he is?>>
Of course this is the lingering question. The article addresses this only indirectly. Wright introduced him to Christianity and the black community in a way he hadn't been living with his white family. It's tough to let a mentor loose. Who knows what took him so long though I know from personal experience that you tend to steer away form controversial topics with family and close friends. I doubt that it is any more complicated than that though I know that the Clinton campaign and the right won't let it go at that.
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Re: Narcissism And Reverend Wright
Fri, May 2, 2008 - 11:16 PM"why did it take Obama *this* long to see Wright for what he is?"
I'm sure it was sheer coincidence that he didn't see who Wright was for 20 years while attending his church but only discovered what he truly was like when he (Obama) was running for president and needed moderate votes.
"But that's a question for the analyst's couch."
Or the voting booth.
This question goes to judgment AND credibility
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Re: Narcissism And Reverend Wright
Fri, May 2, 2008 - 9:51 AMI'm sure that the ego image of Reverend Wright that he acted out is not who he really is.
I'm sure he is passionate about his purpose in life.
I forgive him for his behavior, and I forgive the media creating and adding to make a big drama out of it.
I hope he finds some peace and quiet to so he can live in moment and bring him self consciousness again.
I'm going to worry about the price of gas, or shortage of rice anymore,
I'm going to see what I can do myself to make the world better.
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Re: Narcissism And Reverend Wright
Fri, May 2, 2008 - 9:56 AMcorrection
I'm not going to worry...
lol
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Re: Narcissism And Reverend Wright
Fri, May 2, 2008 - 10:04 AM
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Re: Narcissism And Reverend Wright
Fri, May 2, 2008 - 11:34 PMSome good points, though not being a psychologist, I don't feel myself qualified to give one a psychological diagnosis, particularly someone I've never met.
Having said that, narcissism would explain some of Wright's reaction to Obama's previous semi-rejection of him. I would imagine that a narcissist would have a hard time believing anyone, particularly someone whom Wright would consider a pupil of his of sorts (and thus beneath his station), would reject him sincerely, which explains his condescending dismissal of Obama's condemnation of Wright's previous sermons as just being crap that politicians say to get votes.
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Re: Narcissism And Reverend Wright
Fri, May 2, 2008 - 11:37 PMSo many powerful laxatives and so many constipated people who do not use them. .
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Re: Narcissism And Reverend Wright
Fri, May 2, 2008 - 11:53 PMHave you watched Wright's National Press Club performance? The room is full of supporters and you can see him just eating up the rapturous applause for him when he comes in. During his talk, he's interrupted by applause several times which he again eats up, and on at least two occasions mentions with a smile how only a couple reporters were joining in in the applause, as if he's surprised that not everyone in his audience is eating up his every word. -
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Sat, May 3, 2008 - 6:11 AMYeah, he comes across as totally self-serving -
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Re: Narcissism And Reverend Wright
Sat, May 3, 2008 - 10:00 AMI finished watching his performance last night and he came across as incredibly smug, egomaniacal and condescending. With cherry picking Moyers to give him a sycophantic interview and stocking the press room with supporters, the guy obviously can't operate unless he is surrounded by worshipful supporters. No wonder he was taken aback by the audacity of one of his church members (Obama) daring to criticize him. -
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Sat, May 3, 2008 - 10:05 AMI like how he equates himself with the "Black Church" -
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Re: Narcissism And Reverend Wright
Sat, May 3, 2008 - 10:10 AM<<I like how he equates himself with the "Black Church">>
That was the tipping point for me as well. Talk about delusions of grandeur.
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the prophetic tradition
Sat, May 3, 2008 - 2:56 PM>> Dustin: I like how he equates himself with the "Black Church" <<
It's called the "prophetic tradition". People who take up that mantle don't hide behind a bogus self-effacing facade - they speak truth to power. You have to stand on your own two feet, have your back straight and your head held up to do that.
This is why Obama's denunciation of Wright is such a travesty. Rev. Wright is a truly heroic figure - not just to Black people, but to anyone with any sense of decency. He doesn't change his message just because the media is after him. He doesn't change his message depending on who his audience is. This makes some people very uncomfortable. It's why they killed Socrates. -
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Re: the prophetic tradition
Sat, May 3, 2008 - 3:02 PM"It's called the "prophetic tradition". People who take up that mantle don't hide behind a bogus self-effacing facade - they speak truth to power. You have to stand on your own two feet, have your back straight and your head held up to do that. "
Was there some vote that allowed him to ascend the halls of greatness, and be identified as all that is black and Christian?
"This is why Obama's denunciation of Wright is such a travesty. Rev. Wright is a truly heroic figure - not just to Black people, but to anyone with any sense of decency. He doesn't change his message just because the media is after him. He doesn't change his message depending on who his audience is. This makes some people very uncomfortable. It's why they killed Socrates."
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Re: the prophetic tradition
Sat, May 3, 2008 - 3:58 PM>> Was there some vote that allowed him to ascend the halls of greatness, and be identified as all that is black and Christian? <<
Prophets aren't elected - but they are chosen. It's a spiritual thing - you wouldn't understand. -
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Re: the prophetic tradition
Sat, May 3, 2008 - 4:07 PM"Prophets aren't elected - but they are chosen. It's a spiritual thing - you wouldn't understand."
Ride that pony for all it's worth
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Re: Narcissism And Reverend Wright
Sat, May 3, 2008 - 6:44 AMAll this twaddle because people simply cannot see that Jeremiah Wright is a man of principle and Barack Obama is not. -
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Re: Narcissism And Reverend Wright
Sat, May 3, 2008 - 8:44 AMTotally!~! Awesome! It's been a year since you said anything I liked that much, Cornel.
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