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Bill Gates' insane geoengineering idea

topic posted Wed, May 12, 2010 - 11:34 PM by  cDub
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So apparently they want to go ahead with this without any type of approval. its insane. life comes from the sun. blocking the sun out is INSANE.

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Join our campaign to halt geoengineering
Jim Thomas

4th May, 2010

It's time to say no to scientists and politicians considering geoengineering as a way of tackling climate change, says Jim Thomas

That industrial societies have run Mother Earth ragged is no secret round these parts.

Whether climate change, depleted fresh water, build-up of toxins, collapse of ecosystems or accelerating species extinction, this way of living on the Earth has become unsustainable and common sense says we must act fast to build a fairer civilisation that treads more lightly on the planet. Unfortunately common sense isn't the only option on the table.

A group of increasingly influential scientists, corporations and thinktanks, backed by some of the governments that carry the largest climate debt, have recently begun proposing a different path out of this crisis: a Plan B.

Rather than changing harmful production and consumption patterns, they want to massively re-engineer our planet so that it can withstand the ravages of our industrial carbon binge. Their proposals to 'fix' global warming range from changing the chemistry of the oceans to polluting the upper atmosphere with sulphur particles. Instead of reducing emissions, the thinking goes, artificial plankton can soak up our excess carbon. Seeding the skies with sulphur can reflect excess heat back into outer space.

Sounds risky and dangerous - of course it is. Seductive to policymakers? Yes that too. With little or no public awareness, geoengineering has become a multi-million dollar gambit and is now poised to gobble up the climate debate. Private companies and well-known individuals are now jockeying to test out their theories on an unsuspecting planet. The US Congress and UK House of Commons have just completed a round of hearings to determine how much money they should allocate to the first tranche of real world geoengineering experiments. If you are in any doubt as to how seriously the parliamentarians are swallowing these pie-in-the-sky proposals just read their report: 'We may need geoengineering as a “Plan B” if, in the event of the failure of “Plan A” we are faced with highly disruptive climate change,' explain the UK MPs, reading straight from the geoengineers' playbook.

Gentlemen's code... for planet hacking

In March 2010, almost 200 geoengineers met in Asilomar, California, to draw up voluntary codes of conduct for manipulating the planet. In Russia, a team of scientists led by controversial climatologist Yuri Izrael has already begun seeding the skies with sulphur and is promising more. A team of geoengineers with funds from Bill Gates is promising to start altering the whiteness of clouds in just a few years time. Backing for plan B is coming from such unlikely allies as Bjorn Lomborg, the self-styled skeptical environmentalist and the industry-friendly American Enterprise Institute. The reason? As billionaire airline tycoon Richard Branson baldly told the press last year, 'If we could come up with a geoengineering answer to this problem, then Copenhagen wouldn't be neccesary. We could carry on flying our planes and driving our cars.'

But on the eve of this year’s UN-designated International Mother Earth Day, over 60 national and international organisations launched Hands Off Mother Earth (H.O.M.E.). The global campaign, now supported by the Ecologist, includes a website (handsoffmotherearth.org) where signatories upload photos of themselves with their hands up in a 'stop' gesture.

'We want to remind governments that their bottom line should be NO geoengineering experiments,' says Silvia Ribeiro of the ETC Group, a campaign organiser. 'The planet is our home and not a laboratory - there are real people with real faces (and hands!) who care about this.'

Know your rights

The campaign insists that a halt be placed on geoengineering experiments and that the 'rights' of Planet Earth be respected. 'Not just human beings have rights, but the planet has rights,' asserts Evo Morales, Bolivian president and host of the recently concluded Cochabamba Climate Change Conference in Bolivia. The first right, he says, is 'the right for no ecosystem to be eliminated'. The second, 'for Mother Earth to live without contamination'. The final statement by the 35,000 people attending Cochabamba called out geoengineering as a false solution to the climate problem.
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  • Re: Bill Gates' insane geoengineering idea

    Thu, May 13, 2010 - 3:09 AM
    Geoengineering or satellite 'shaders' can give us the time we no longer have to let the other solutions work.
    • Re: Bill Gates' insane geoengineering idea

      Thu, May 13, 2010 - 9:15 AM
      I agree with Grim. There still might be time to control global climate change through carbon reduction, but there does not seem to be the will to do it.

      I think the planet will be faced with an unimaginable disaster before we are rallied to take action. And by that time, we will need to have a leg up on these sorts of radical technological fixes.
  • Re: Bill Gates' insane geoengineering idea

    Fri, February 24, 2012 - 7:47 AM
    www.commondreams.org/headlin.../02/23-2
    Published on Thursday, February 23, 2012 by Common Dreams
    Bill Gates: We Need Genetically Modified Seeds
    Gates' yield-increasing claims widely refuted by studies
    - Common Dreams staff

    At a forum of the International Fund for Agricultural Development (IFAD) in Rome today, Microsoft founder Bill Gates pressed the need for genetically modified seeds in the developing world, and the need for a "digital revolution" to meet the needs of the world's farmers. Gates' claims that genetically modified crops double or triple smaller farmers' yields have been challenged by recent research.

    Agence France-Presse reports:

    Microsoft founder Bill Gates on Thursday called for a "digital revolution" to alleviate world hunger by increasing agricultural productivity through satellites and genetically-engineered seed varieties.

    "We have to think hard about how to start taking advantage of the digital revolution that is driving innovation including in farming," the U.S. billionaire philanthropist said in a speech at the UN rural poverty agency IFAD in Rome.

    "If you care about the poorest, you care about agriculture. We believe that it's possible for small farmers to double and in some cases even triple their yields in the next 20 years while preserving the land," Gates said. [...]

    Another key development is the use of satellite technology developed by defence departments to document data about individual fields, as well as information videos of farmers discussing best practices to help others. [...]

    Gates also defended the use of genetically modified organisms (GMOs) in the developing world and large-scale farm land investments by foreign states in the developing world -- both highly controversial issues in the aid community.

    AFP adds that Gates announced $200 million (150 million euros) in new grants from his foundation to finance research on a new type of drought-resistant maize.

    The Associated Press notes that Gates' plan is looking for more accountability with countries receiving aid, saying they should provide "report cards" to show what they've accomplished with the aid.

    As John Vidal reported for the Guardian, the claims that genetically modified seeds can increase gains have been challenged by research:

    Genetic engineering has failed to increase the yield of any food crop but has vastly increased the use of chemicals and the growth of "superweeds", according to a report by 20 Indian, south-east Asian, African and Latin American food and conservation groups representing millions of people.

    And a 2009 report from the Union of Concerned Scientists showed that genetically modified seeds failed to increase yields in U.S. crops:

    Despite 20 years of research and 13 years of commercialization, genetic engineering has failed to significantly increase U.S. crop yields.

    "The biotech industry has spent billions on research and public relations hype, but genetically engineered food and feed crops haven't enabled American farmers to grow significantly more crops per acre of land," said Doug Gurian-Sherman, a biologist in the UCS Food and Environment Program and author of the report. "In comparison, traditional breeding continues to deliver better results."

    Ronnie Cummins, International Director of the Organic Consumers Association, told Common Dreams:

    “Bill Gates may be a smart guy in terms of computer programming, and an expert on how to become a billionaire, but he obviously knows nothing about agriculture other than what Monsanto and the biotech industry have told him. Eighteen years after the introduction of the first genetically engineered crops, there is no evidence, including data from the pro-biotech USDA, that these energy and chemical-intensive crops increase yield, improve nutrition, or provide greater yields under adverse weather conditions of drought or heavily rains. On the contrary hundreds of studies, including those by peer-reviewed scientists and the U.N.’s FAO (Food and Agriculture Organization) indicate that organic crops provide significantly higher levels of vitamins, nutrients, and cancer-fighting anti-oxidants; that organic crops have significantly higher yields during periods of drought and torrential rain; and that agro-ecological or organic farms produce 2-10 times great yields than industrial-scale chemical and GMO farms. In others words, not only can organic farming and ranching feed the world, but in fact it is the only way that we will ever be able to feed the world.”

    * * *

    Recent reports also show Gates behind climate engineering efforts, as he is among other wealthy individuals financially backing scientists to lobby governments to push geoengineering, raising concerns that this small group may have a large impact on further decisions on geoengineering.
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      Re: Bill Gates' insane geoengineering idea

      Fri, February 24, 2012 - 5:03 PM
      <Despite 20 years of research and 13 years of commercialization, genetic engineering has failed to significantly increase U.S. crop yields.

      "The biotech industry has spent billions on research and public relations hype, but genetically engineered food and feed crops haven't enabled American farmers to grow significantly more crops per acre of land," said Doug Gurian-Sherman, a biologist in the UCS Food and Environment Program and author of the report. "In comparison, traditional breeding continues to deliver better results." >

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  • Re: Bill Gates' insane geoengineering idea

    Fri, February 24, 2012 - 11:37 AM
    <<Rather than changing harmful production and consumption patterns, they want to massively re-engineer our planet so that it can withstand the ravages of our industrial carbon binge.

    I work with real life Geoengineers and spent 6 years as a Weather Specialist, so I have a modicum of understanding of the issues surrounding this type of science. Are these technologies worth researching? Yes, at the very least it may lead to geoengineering planets like Mars to make them more hospitable for humans (in the distant future). At the most, if it turns out to be safe and effective, it may well help save mankind. Do we understand the full ramifications of how this cloud whitening technology will affect the planet and our climate? No, which is why it is something we should certainly not rush in to, it should be studied in depth before we even consider employing this technology. So on that note I definately agree with your call for caution cDub.

    But for the sake of argument, let's say that it is a safe technology. The article you posted below is speaking as if "Plan B" would supplant every other measure intended to address global warming, when reality is such that this technology could be used in addition to these other climate saving measures. These varying methods are not mutually exclusive. And IF we find in the future that global warming is a much bigger problem than we realize, IF future models tell us that we are facing a global catastrophe' and possibly even extinction, this type of technology may well be employed to save the entire planet from going the way of mars.

    << its insane. life comes from the sun. blocking the sun out is INSANE.

    I think you have a misunderstanding of the technology being proposed here. 1.) Clouds block and reflect light from the sun every day, so obviously it is not insane. 2.) This technology is not intended to create more clouds and less actual sunlight. 3.) The technology being proposed here is to make the clouds whiter thereby creating more reflective clouds. Dark colors absorb heat, white colors reflect heat. 4.) So IF safe and effective, this technology would allow the earth to absorb less heat and retain the same amount of sunlight we currently enjoy.

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