Damn, Another War in Lebanon!!!

topic posted Thu, May 8, 2008 - 10:16 AM by  Lorenzo
www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/m...on.hezbollah/

BEIRUT, Lebanon (CNN) -- Gunfire broke out in downtown Beirut Thursday after Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah said recent government actions amount to "a declaration of open war."

"Just in the past few minutes ... things have gotten a lot worse," CNN's Cal Perry reported from downtown Beirut. The sound of automatic gunfire and rocket-propelled grenades could be heard throughout his live reports.

Perry, who took cover with the Lebanese army, said government forces have not yet reacted to the violence.

The gunbattles were taking place between Shiite and Sunni neighborhoods in the capital, near CNN's Beirut Bureau. Video Watch Perry call in through gunfire »

The Lebanese army, which is charged with trying to keep peace in the capital, is in a precarious position, Perry explained.

"When you're talking about this much gunfire, when you're talking about RPG fire, it's absolutely ludicrous to think that the army will put themselves between these two factions," he said.

Video of the scene showed tanks and armored personnel carriers moving through empty streets past shuttered stores.

The violence erupted shortly after Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah said the government's attempts to halt Hezbollah's use of a telecommunications system amounts to "a declaration of open war."

"We believe the war has started and we believe that we have the right to defend ourselves," Nasrallah said in a televised speech. "We will cut the hand that will reach out to the weapons of the resistance no matter if it comes from the inside or the outside."

At the same time, Nasrallah called for dialogue, saying, "We are ready, whoever wants a compromise, we are here and ready."

"Those who have taken decisions leading to war, let them withdraw their decisions and there would be no war," he said.

"Am I declaring war? Not at all. I am declaring oppression and self-defense."

Lebanese Communications Minister Marwan Hamadi said Nasrallah's speech "is a direct threat of assassinating us."

"We are not scared of the threat," Hamadi told al-Arabiya. " 'Cutting off the hands' is a direct threat of assassination.

"He says it is a new phase; we say it is a new phase, too. We are determined to keep what is left of the Lebanese government."

Many Lebanese politicians who have opposed Syria's influence in their country have been assassinated in recent years, including former Prime Minister Rafik Hariri and four members of parliament.

The latest tensions between Lebanon's U.S.-backed government and Hezbollah were sparked Monday when the government sacked airport security chief Brig. Gen. Wafik Shoukeir. Video Watch what touched off the fighting »

The government believes Hezbollah was using the equipment to keep tabs on the movement of its opponents in the government.

Nasrallah defended Hezbollah's use of the monitoring equipment, saying it is the right of "any militia during war."

"This wired network is the most important weapon in the battle," he said.

Nasrallah accused the government of trying to make the Beirut airport "a base for the CIA, FBI and the Mossad," the Israeli secret police.

"That's why they wanted to suspend Brig. Gen. Wafik Shoukeir. ... They want to bring a loyal subject that will serve them at the airport."

In a rare display of anger toward Hezbollah, the highest Sunni Muslim spiritual authority in Lebanon accused the group of taking advantage of a labor strike on Wednesday by using it as a political opportunity, and of fomenting violence in Beirut.

The strike quickly escalated into a flashpoint over Lebanon's 17-month-old political crisis.

Hezbollah supporters continue to block all the roads leading to Beirut's airport, forcing the cancellation of nearly all flights. Video Watch soldiers, burned cars in streets »

Gunbattles were reported Thursday in Beirut's seaport district of Corniche al-Mazraa. Tires continued to burn in Beirut, particularly in the downtown area, where a Hezbollah sit-in continues around the government buildings.

There were reports of clashes and gunfire in the Bekaa Valley overnight and Thursday morning.

Clashes in Beirut on Wednesday took on a sectarian tone, between Beirut's Sunni and Shiite neighborhoods.

Hezbollah is a Shiite militant group, backed by Syria and Iran, with political representation in Lebanon's government.

Members of Lebanon's other major Shiite party, Amal, also participated in Wednesday's strike.

Lebanon's political crisis began in late 2006, when Hezbollah pulled several ministers out of the government of U.S.-backed Prime Minister Fouad Siniora in an effort to destabilize his government.
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The move happened as Siniora's government voted to support an international tribunal to investigate the 2005 killing of Hariri, which U.N. investigators have linked to Syria.

The country has been without a president since Emile Lahoud -- who was pro-Syrian -- left office after his term ended in November and parliament was unable to agree on a replacement.
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  • Re: Damn, Another War in Lebanon!!!

    Thu, May 8, 2008 - 1:01 PM

    Shit! I was just there.

    One of the videos described Beirut as a place that is quiet until it's not, and that it can explode on a moments notice. That's certainly true.

    Hezbollah started up this violence in response to Lebanon declaring their private communication network illegal, and a threat to state security.

    Lebanon is 90% right here, and Hezbollah hold almost all of the blame.Hezbollah is a threat to Lebanese state security, and the UN has already made at least one declaration calling for Hezbollah to be disarmed.

    In a country as fragile as Lebanon, should rogue militias be allowed to have their own private communication networks?

    But let's not forget Syria's hand in this.

    After years of occupation, the Syrian army was finally forced to leave Lebanon. Since then, many anti-Syrian politicans have been assassinated. Syria is looking to any excuse to reassert their influence in Lebanon. And Hezbollah is there surrogates.

    Hezbollah might be the single greatest threat to peace in the entire region. Hezbollah just started a war in Lebanon. Hazbollah is also the sole party who still absolutely refuses to live in peace with Israel.

    What can be done?

    If there is to be a war to disarm or destroy Hezbollah, it's going to be a very ugly, brutal, urban conflict. With snipers on the rooftops, how can you avoid killing civilians? Can sanctions be imposed on Hezbollah and/or Syria?
    • Re: Damn, Another War in Lebanon!!!

      Sun, May 11, 2008 - 7:16 PM
      >> Hezbollah is a threat to Lebanese state security <<

      Hezbollah is the only indigenous Lebanese group capable of defending Lebanon against external aggression. Compare the actions of the Siniora government to those of Hezbollah during the 2006 war. The government was a pathetic joke - all they could do was to impotently beg their western "allies" to call off the Israelis. Hezbollah was able to stand up to the Israelis and "dialog" with them in the only language they understand.

      Hezbollah would not even exist if the Lebanese government was capable of defending Lebanon.
      • Re: Damn, Another War in Lebanon!!!

        Sun, May 11, 2008 - 7:33 PM
        <Hezbollah is the only indigenous Lebanese group capable of defending Lebanon against external aggression.>

        You mean like Syria? Israel would not ever go back into Lebanon if not for those meddling Hizbollah kids!!!

        And, they are not capable anyway. Israel chased them out and only left when the UN made steps again to enforce the rules that they had so far unenforced. There's nothing that Hizbollah can do to Israel besides be a bother. A murderous bother, but just a bother all the same.

        <Hezbollah was able to stand up to the Israelis and "dialog" with them in the only language they understand.>

        Yes, and Israel kicked their ass and came and went when they pleased, sadly ruining much of Lebanon in the process. Notice Cornel that there are no more attacks from Hizbollah since then...

        No attacks by Hizbollah, no attacks by Israel. It's that simple. Same as Gaza.

        <Hezbollah would not even exist if the Lebanese government was capable of defending Lebanon.>

        That may be true actually, but the time for that rationalization is gone, because Israel is gone from Lebanon. They no longer have a use there.

        Well, except as Syria and Iran's proxies of course...

        <The Lebanese army would be able to defend Lebanon if the sectarian militias did not exist. It is the sectarianism that has ruined Lebanon. .>

        That obviously is 100% correct.
  • The purpose of Israel invading Lebanon

    Sun, May 11, 2008 - 12:25 AM
    was to destabilize Lebanon.

    And it worked.
    • Re: The purpose of Israel invading Lebanon

      Sun, May 11, 2008 - 12:48 PM
      > was to destabilize Lebanon.

      Yeah... pretty silly.

      Lebanon's relatively moderate government is someone who might make peace with Israel. That government certainly wants stability.

      What Israel doesn't want, is a strong Hezbollah. The UN doesn't want this either; they called for Hezbollah to be disarmed.

      Israel struck Lebanon in an attempt to damage Hezbollah.

      Where are we now? Things are just worse than ever. Hezbollah has shown that they'll just start killing Lebanese if ever they disagree with actions of the government. What'll happen if the government of Lebanon tries to make peace with Israel?

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