Hillary's evil new plan...

topic posted Tue, May 6, 2008 - 5:34 PM by 

Contrary to what's she's said previously, Hillary is now trying to set the finish line at 2,209 delegates instead of 2,025.

Her surrogates are even talking about having Florida and Michigan primary elections in the middle of the Democratic Primary.

It's becoming more and more clear, that Hillary will do anything, including destroy the democratic party, to satisfy her own ambition and self-interest.
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  • Re: Hillary's evil new plan...

    Tue, May 6, 2008 - 6:32 PM


    oh boy~. too funny.

    another sufferer of CDS (Clinton Derangement Syndrome).
    • Re: Hillary's evil new plan...

      Tue, May 6, 2008 - 8:50 PM

      Here's the quote that I saw.

      - - - -

      Standing at the famed Indianapolis Motor Speedway auto racing track, she said the true finish line of the presidential race was 2,209 delegates -- including Florida and Michigan, and not 2,025 as has long been assumed.

      "It's 2209," she said, after being endorsed by Indy 500 driver Sarah Fisher.

      afp.google.com/article/AL...FiFQaMvwTcA
    • Re: Hillary's evil new plan...

      Tue, May 6, 2008 - 8:55 PM

      clarification: Hillary is pretty much finished (as a 2008 Dem nominee).

      - which (rationally) should put an end to all these obssessive and tiresome anti-Clinton rantings, shouldn't it?....
      • Re: Hillary's evil new plan...

        Tue, May 6, 2008 - 9:05 PM
        inna:
        > clarification: Hillary is pretty much finished (as a 2008 Dem nominee).
        > - which (rationally) should put an end to all these obssessive and tiresome anti-Clinton rantings, shouldn't it?....

        The moment that she is officially done, and back to just being a Senator, then I'll leave it to the New Yorkers to bitch about her.
        • Re: Hillary's evil new plan...

          Tue, May 6, 2008 - 9:15 PM
          I quite good article about her and her possible future:

          www.politico.com/news/stor...10143.html

          Clinton desperate for super turnaround
          By ROGER SIMON | 5/6/08 11:04 PM EST

          Hillary Clinton’s strategy for winning the Democratic nomination is now a fond wish wrapped in a desperate hope.

          Her fond wish is to seat the pledged delegates from the rogue states of Michigan and Florida in a way that is advantageous her and damaging to Barack Obama.

          Her desperate hope is then to persuade the superdelegates to overturn the will of the pledged delegates and make her the Democratic nominee.

          To achieve this, she needs momentum, spin and fear.

          Her momentum was dealt a setback Tuesday night when she lost North Carolina, a large state that she had said was going to be a “game changer.” (It may turn out to be, but not in the way she had hoped.)

          True, Clinton was leading in Indiana late Tuesday night, but she no longer has the luxury of split decisions. We are at the endgame, and the results of the final six primaries are pretty predictable: Clinton probably wins Kentucky, West Virginia and Puerto Rico, and Obama probably wins Oregon, Montana and South Dakota.

          This outcome almost certainly will leave Obama with a lead in pledged delegates. And it would be hard for Clinton to spin those results as a victory.

          This is where fear comes in. Harold Ickes, a top Clinton strategist, told Mark Halperin of The Page on Tuesday that Ickes’ main argument when talking to superdelegates is: “We don’t know enough about Senator Obama yet. We don’t need an ‘October Surprise.’ And (the chance of) an October Surprise with Hillary is remote.”

          But is it? When Clinton said she came under sniper fire in Bosnia and that turned out not to be true, wasn’t that kind of a surprise? And when her soon-to-be-fired top strategist Mark Penn met with the government of Colombia to support a free trade agreement that Clinton opposed, wasn’t that a little surprising?

          Besides, surprises are often not as damaging as what is already known. The old is often more dangerous than the new - Willie Horton and Swift boats were old issues. So if Obama is the nominee, we will hear about Tony Rezko and Jeremiah Wright; if Clinton is the nominee we will hear about Whitewater and cattle futures trading.

          You cannot blame Ickes for playing the hand he has been dealt, but it is a weak hand and superdelegates, who allegedly are more politically sophisticated than ordinary pledged delegates, are the least likely to be bluffed by it.

          I don’t think Clinton has any obligation to quit before the last primary, but she must continue to look scrappy and resolute in the weeks ahead and not sad or pathetic.

          There is a lot at stake for her that goes beyond the Democratic convention. First, if she doesn’t get the nomination this time, she has to exit in such a way as to not damage her political future. If Obama loses the general election this year, he is unlikely to get a second chance in 2012. (The Democrats don’t like to renominate losers; the last time they did it was with Adlai Stevenson in 1956 and he lost again.) Clinton could try for the nomination again, but even if she does not run for president in 2012, she is up for re-election to the Senate that year. Or she could run for governor of New York in 2010. Or she might want to become majority leader of the Senate.

          She has options, but only if she manages her endgame carefully.

          If she becomes known as the candidate who was willing to destroy her party in order to gain the nomination, she is likely to lose not just the nomination but also her political future.
        • Re: Hillary's evil new plan...

          Tue, May 6, 2008 - 9:16 PM


          <<The moment that she is officially done, and back to just being a Senator, then I'll leave it to the New Yorkers to bitch about her.>>


          like i said - obssessive and tiresome. (yawn.)

          and fyi dear, the majority of the NY-ers like and support her. (
    • Re: Hillary's evil new plan...

      Wed, May 7, 2008 - 2:55 AM
      <It's becoming more and more clear, that Hillary will do anything, including destroy the democratic party, to satisfy her own ambition and self-interest.>

      Adam, she's not trying to "destroy the democratic party". Come on. She's fighting for the position - I'd do the same. What - she should just give up? She's fighting for the fucking PRESIDENCY, for fuck's sake. Hell, I have doubts that Obama can beat McCain - he probably can - but it's not as assured as it is with Hillary. And, if she believes this as I do, then it's HER JOB to fight to make sure that the democratic party wins in the next election.

      I personally think that Michigan and Florida should be re-voted. Why should the residents of those states be disqualified because of the bonehead move of their state party? Let them vote now.

      EVERY VOTE SHOULD BE COUNTED.

      Why all of a sudden do the dems that wanted count and recount in '00 all of a sudden not care about the voters of those states? Why is that?
  • Re: Hillary's evil new plan...

    Tue, May 6, 2008 - 8:45 PM
    Yeah, twice today on CNN Clinton spokesmen made this argument. 2209 is *the* number. It brough audible laughs from the rest of the pundits when Lanny Davis said it.
    • Re: Hillary's evil new plan...

      Tue, May 6, 2008 - 9:43 PM
      Lanny Davis is _the worst_. Aside from his Clintonite status, he always takes the most absurd Lieberdem positions on everything. Fox Snooze LOVES him.
      • Re: Hillary's evil new plan...

        Wed, May 7, 2008 - 1:57 AM
        << - which (rationally) should put an end to all these obssessive and tiresome anti-Clinton rantings, shouldn't it?.... >>

        Um, I got *DECADES* out of Nixon and Kissinger.

        Let's not be too hasty...

        >> To achieve this, she needs momentum, spin and fear. >>

        Which means the Clintoons might have one shitbomb left.
        • Re: Hillary's evil new plan...

          Wed, May 7, 2008 - 2:32 AM
          we will hear less and less from hillary.........after today ,the media will accept obama as nominee.......obama will more or less ignore hillary and can focus his attention on mccaine.
          hillary will end her campaign soon........but not without some more screaming and kicking.......just to keep her reputation as a fighter.
          • Re: Hillary's evil new plan...

            Wed, May 7, 2008 - 3:23 AM
            Obama should just come out and tell the DNC that if the nomination is taking from him by adding bogus delegates (Mich and Fla) or by Super delegates siding against the popular vote that he will just run in general election as an independant.

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