This post was not about Clinton but more about exposing the inner workings of WalMart. I think this will be real egg on their face.

Thats ok.... what ever you say dude. You don't really have any good intelligent, sustainable arguments PRO Wal Mart. All you have are mindless elementary judgments that will never withstand the test of time. Glen: Grow Up. Sustaining our eco-system is the ONLY way we will ever sustain our economy. Period.

Some of us care about what we eat and what happens to the eco-system. Is that so wrong? Or is making money more important to you? I feel sorry for your body.... you obviously don't really care about what you eat, breathe or drink.

So Sad.

>>off we go on some other tangent........... <<

Gilligan, ask Rubber Made how they feel about Wal-Mart, or all the small businesses across the country that are forced to compete with the largest trader of slave manufactured products on the planet....

The largest retailer in the world can't pay a living wage or provide health care to its employees, and has helped to under mine the manufacturing base here in the good Ol USA... I remember back in the early 90's when they were so brash as to run TV adds with the red, white and blue flying saying made in the USA... Like we could'nt read the labels, but seems it does'nt really matter... Most Americans will snap it up if they think its a deal, while they cut thier own throats.

she didn't say anything

she made some general statements about plastic and dumps filling up

her statement was more an indictment of a culture she feels is too consumer based than a slap at Wal-Mart......

there was really no point that one could pull out of that jumbled mess to take exception too

Thanks Stick Boy....

I appreciate your heart.

SprawlMart originally put cameras inside and outside their stores not for security but to spy on their associates to see if the were planning to unionize.
Here is a great video that shows just how bad walmart is to its associates here in the US, China and India, the towns they OCCUPY and the environment.
Walmart is dirty and rotten and should be boycotted until it is out of business.
video.google.com/videoplay

Ricardo: << I think Wall Mart is socialism achieved through capitalism. The whole point of embracing capitalism is because it generated choices and variety in the market. Unfortunately though Capitalism is not self regulating and when a company squashes its competition, then we are stuck in the same situation that would be in, in a socialist country. Long lines, poor quality and no real alternative. In my opinion it is the role of Government to protect competition by resisting companies like Wallmart.>>

Lorenzo: <<Walmart has NOTHING to do with socialism. . .NOTHING! Haven't you noticed how in nearly every category the aim of capitalist concerns is to get bigger and bigger and crowd competitors out of the marketplace? it's not because they want to benefit the workers, which is in fact, the aim of socialism. . .it is to enrich the owners, all else be damned that doesn't contribute to that goal.>>

I think that Ricardo has a point though. Wal-Mart is about as capitalist as the USSR was during the cold war. The Soviets might have called themselves Socialists or even Communists, but in reality the USSR was essentially just a huge corporation that owned everything, employed everyone and produced everything. They had department stores in the Soviet Union, and everything was super cheap, not only in price but in quality too, just like Wal-Mart is. The department stores were also like Wal-Mart in that you could buy everything there, bicycles, televisions, telephones, you name it. All of them were poorly made of course, because under the Soviet system there wasn't much incentive to work very hard.

Huge line-ups were common in the Soviet Union because the consumer goods were basically sold for what it cost to make them, with no profit margin. Since it costs only $7 to make a TV, or $200 to make a car, then these items would only be sold for this amount. The problem being of course that not enough product was being made to satisfy consumer demand. Of course the consumer goods produced were of very poor quality because the workers were very poorly paid. They didn't need to worry about being fired either. No carrot, no stick. It truly was the worker's paradise, if the worker's paradise means goofing around at work all day because the boss doesn't care.

The creator of Capitalism was Adam Smith, who described the Capitalist system in his book 'The Wealth of Nations'. At the time Adam Smith wrote his book, the world still used the economic system of 'Mercantilism'. Metal nails were being used as currency in the Scottish town where Adam Smith wrote his book.

Adam Smith was very clearly against Corporations, which at the time were called 'Joint-Stock Companies'. Smith pointed out that large corporations were the antithesis of Capitalism. Corporations absorb smaller companies as well as their suppliers, thus eliminating the positive aspects of competition between capitalists to produce a better product for a cheaper price. If Corporations are allowed to continue to grow unchecked, they will eventually own 'everything', thereby eliminating their competition. They can now charge as much as they want for low quality products.

What is so capitalist about Wal-mart? Everything they sell is made in COMMUNIST CHINA. The products are often made by prison labor, or in sweatshop factories with deplorable conditions. When you buy something at Wal-Mart, you are giving your money to Communist China. Sure, the Wal-Mart family might be raking in the money as well...because they are choosing to import products made in COMMUNIST CHINA. They are taking the money out of the United States, as well as the manufacturing jobs....and shipping them to COMMUNIST CHINA.

This is why there is a war in Iraq. There is no longer an industrial manufacturing base in the United States. American workers want a living wage, they want decent working conditions, they will strike against management to get this. In order to get goods cheaply made, corporations such as Wal-Mart have now exported ALL THE JOBS and all the manufacturing base to China, Indonesia, the Phillipines, etc. Since there is no longer an industrial base, there is nothing supporting the US economy. The only thing still made in the United States is weapons, so to keep the American economy going and keep it going there must be a constant war, paid for with US taxpayers dollars of course.

Lorenzo is also right of course, in that Wal-Mart has nothing to do with TRUE socialism. True socialism would be something which would benefit all the workers, such as PARECON. (Participatory Economics) where the company is controlled through the workers that vote in a General assembly. Co-operatives would be another example.

I think that Ricardo is right though, in that Wal-Mart is closer to old Soviet style 'socialism' than it is to Capitalism. Wal-Mart is the sugar pill that is being used to introduce the Chinese system of 'socialism' into the United States. If this isn't true, then why are ALL the goods sold in Wal-Mart made in Communist China? Who gets richer when you shop at Wal-Mart?

I think that if Glen did a documentary on his home town where Wal-Mart enriched the lives of the populace, by shutting down all those snarl-toothed, surly Mom and Pop shops to replace them with the smiling, brain-washed faces of Wal-Mart workers, then Glen would become a MILLIONAIRE. I think that Glen should at least mention the name of this town he is from, his home town where Wal-Mart enriched everyone's lives. I am sure he must be proud of the town where he was born, and which serves as a shining example of what America could be like under this new form of Corporate communism.

<walmart has NOTHING to do with socialism. . .NOTHING!

haven't you noticed how in nearly every category the aim of capitalist concerns is to get bigger and bigger and crowd competitors out of the marketplace? it's not because they want to benefit the workers, which is in fact, the aim of socialism. . .

it is to enrich the owners, all else be damned that doesn't contribute to that goal. >

The only difference I see between corporatism and socialism is the replacing of executives with beauracrats.

If Wal-Mart is breaking any laws report them and see that they're prosecuted.
If they're not and are mearly better at making money at all costs than all the other cut throat buinessess out there then deal with it. Don't shop there, buy your food and goods elsewhere for more money. Start your own Walmart.
See to it that laws and regulations are put in place that prevent the so caled 'abuses' that you don't like.

Trashing Walmart is just a cop-out for many who have done squat in thier own lives, careers etc.

If you think Wal-Mart is 'Evil' (sounding a bit like W when you go with this label by the way.) Then do something about creating an alternative or just shut up already.