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Palin lynched in effigy - in West Hollywood

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"Authorities investigate lawfulness of Sarah Palin effigy in West Hollywood"

Officials from the United States Secret Service, West Hollywood city code enforcement and Los Angeles County fire officials are investigating a West Hollywood Halloween display showing a likeness of Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin hanging by a noose violates any laws.

"The sheriff made this clear, this is a country that has freedom of speech and we protect that right even when we think it's idiotic and stupid and in bad taste and wrong to do," said Steve Whitmore, a spokesman for the Los Angeles County Sheriff. "If it is non-violent and doesn't cause any problems, then they have the right to do it."

Whitmore said the department has fielded more than 60 calls from around the country complaining about the offensiveness of the effigy, but because there were no state laws violated, officials could not order that the display be taken down.

West Hollywood Mayor Jeffrey Prang said although he recognizes residents' right to free speech, he found the display problematic and felt it should be removed.

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  • Re: Palin lynched in effigy - in West Hollywood

    Tue, October 28, 2008 - 11:56 AM
    Sarah Palin effigy hanged from house
    October 28, 2008 - 9:51AM

    www.smh.com.au/news/us-el...990851.html

    An effigy of US Republican vice-presidential nominee Sarah Palin hanging by a noose as part of a Halloween display has drawn severe criticism, but local officials said the homeowner was covered by free speech rights.

    A mannequin dressed to resemble the Alaska governor, with her trademark beehive hairdo and glasses, was hung by the neck from the eaves of the home in West Hollywood.

    On the roof, a mannequin of Republican presidential candidate John McCain protruded from the chimney surrounded in flames, holding his head as he was apparently burned alive.

    "We have been getting some phone calls complaining about it but if (the homeowner) isn't in violation of municipal code we have no reason to cite them," West Hollywood spokeswoman Helen Goss said.

    "People have First Amendment rights (to free speech)," Goss said. "I would speculate that if it's part of a Halloween display then its political satire."

    Homeowner Chad Michael Morisette told local KCAL-TV the display should be considered Halloween "art" and said his neighbours would probably be more offended by a similar scene invoking Democrat Barack Obama.

    "I know if we had done Barack Obama, people would have probably thrown things through our windows," Morisette said. "The image of a hanged black man is a lot more intense than the image of a hanged white woman for our country, the history of our country."

    Earlier a cardboard likeness of Obama was strung up from a tree at an Oregon university and an Ohio man who told local media he didn't want to see an African-American running the country hung a ghostly figure bearing an Obama sign from a tree in his yard.

    If he wins the November 4 election, Obama will be the first African American to become US president.

    West Hollywood is known for its large gay population and its liberal politics. It hosts a large and flamboyant outdoor Halloween parade each year.

    Palin, who is seen as more conservative than running-mate McCain, has been a lightning-rod of criticism from the left since her nomination to the ticket.

    Reuters
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    Tue, October 28, 2008 - 11:56 AM
    It really is going too far. I know it's free speech, but I am pretty damn sure they'd come up with some way to remove it if it were Obama being hung from a noose.

    I have a hard time believing this violates no laws at all.
  • Re: Palin lynched in effigy - in West Hollywood

    Tue, October 28, 2008 - 11:56 AM
    hey! this is just a little halloween Fun!
    and it should be taken as just that, Loosen UP!
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      Tue, October 28, 2008 - 12:00 PM
      This is out of bounds no matter which candidate is being lynched in effigy. Keith Olberman last night pronunced this guy (who hung Palin in effigy) as "worst person in the world." I agree.
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        Tue, October 28, 2008 - 12:08 PM
        I bet he would not have said that if it was GW Bush that was hanging there in effigy
        Halloween decorators use all kinds of disgusting macarbe stuff to decorate with on Halloween,theres a house one block from mine that has a complete Vampire Graveyard with "many persons" hanging from the tree's,it just adds to the overall creepiness to the Halloween Diorama.
        Publically Elected people have always been fun fodder for Halloween decorating! look at all those rubber lifelike masks of Political figures?
        It isnt the REAL Ms Palin "hanging there" so what's the harm? She should be honored that she was picked to be the centerpiece of someones well done halloween Creepy Scene
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        Tue, October 28, 2008 - 2:26 PM
        >> This is out of bounds no matter which candidate is being lynched in effigy. Keith Olberman last night pronunced this guy (who hung Palin in effigy) as "worst person in the world." I agree. <<

        Good for him. Anyone who doesn't have that kind of automatic response to this is deeply morally defective.
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      Tue, October 28, 2008 - 12:14 PM
      hate is hate, no matter who from and who against.

      this absolutely is not just a little halloween fun, just as the obama effigy at a christian school in oregon last month wasn't just a little fun or funny.
    • Re: Palin lynched in effigy - in West Hollywood

      Tue, October 28, 2008 - 2:30 PM
      <hey! this is just a little halloween Fun! and it should be taken as just that, Loosen UP!>

      To be fair, Jenn - if this same thing happened in the South, except it was Obama...........you'd say the same thing?

      <If I make up a likeness of you and hang it in effigy, that is not "free speech".>

      Yes it is. Learn about the Constitution, Cornel.

      <Idiots>

      Dude. You just blew it on a simply First Amendment issue, and you call someone else here an idiot? Really?

      < I want to buy whoever put those up there a beer. Thats pretty ballsy. You have to respect that.>

      Would you do the same for some guy in Alabama that strung up an Obama effigy?
      • Re: Palin lynched in effigy - in West Hollywood

        Tue, October 28, 2008 - 2:33 PM
        Yes Andrew,there would definatly be racial issues implied if this was done to Obama in the south,but I still think this kind of thing is protected under the free speech portion of our Constitution.
        No one likes this sort of thing and it is pretty ugly but if we look at it as a simple Halloween prank then it carries with it a lot less 'alternative messages'
  • Re: Palin lynched in effigy - in West Hollywood

    Tue, October 28, 2008 - 1:33 PM
    From "Gaysocialites.com" ( gaysocialites.com/2008/10/w...displ.html )

    [at the link there is also a video of an interview with the people who put up the display at their house - they explain, in their own words, why there's nothing wrong with it]

    A West Hollywood Halloween display has a lot of people on edge after a home owner displayed a Sarah Palin look-a-like hanging in a noose.

    The outdoor Hallow's Eve decor features a dummy dressed as Palin, wearing her signature red business suit, Len's Crafter-ish glasses and brown wig. The Palin doll is hanging by a noose from the chimney while a devilish John McCain in the chimney with flames looms above her.

    I'd have to agree that the noose takes it a little too far. If that was a manequin that looks like Barack Obama hanging in the noose, this would be a hate crime. I think the residents should be required to pull this display down.

    Local media is reporting that several tourist buses have started swinging by the residence to snap picks of the lynched Palin doll.

    Too bad the feminists hate Palin or they'd be all over this!
  • Re: Palin lynched in effigy - in West Hollywood

    Tue, October 28, 2008 - 1:40 PM
    Hey, it may suck to see but it is a free country. It pisses me off enough as it is that we have neighborhood councils here in Los Angeles that actually try to get people fined when they remove the grass from their own front yards. That kind of dictating to people how to live pisses me off. Our homes are our own to determine how to live in. That includes the yard. What you choose to do in your own yard should be your own choice so long as it is not directly interfering with your neighbors' quality of life. If you don't like what you see in someone's yard then turn your head.
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      Tue, October 28, 2008 - 1:48 PM
      I understand what you mean, but this is what we have to deal with, at least in Los Angeles: Homeowners associations, neighborhood watch, tenant/landlord issues, codes. It's better to know the rules - do not give anyone the opportunity to mess with you & if they do have it together so you know what steps to take.
      • Re: Palin lynched in effigy - in West Hollywood

        Tue, October 28, 2008 - 1:50 PM
        If some white-trash rednecks were hanging Barack Obama in effigy outside their double-wide trailer in West Virginia, would you be yammering about "tenent/landlord" issues?????
        • Re: Palin lynched in effigy - in West Hollywood

          Tue, October 28, 2008 - 1:54 PM
          <<If some white-trash rednecks were hanging Barack Obama in effigy outside their double-wide trailer in West Virginia, would you be yammering about "tenent/landlord" issues?????>>

          Actually some guy already did hang Obama in front of his house and we had a thread about it several days ago and in that thread I made it clear that I felt it was a free country and it is his right even if I do think he is a dick. Just because we don't like something doesn't mean we should go about trying to control it all the time.
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          Tue, October 28, 2008 - 2:05 PM
          *If some white-trash rednecks were hanging Barack Obama in effigy outside their double-wide trailer in West Virginia, would you be yammering about "tenent/landlord" issues?????*

          whoa, lil fighter?

          clearly, you're not interested in rules, codes & laws, just like the West Hollyweird resident.

          your momma must be proud.
  • Re: Palin lynched in effigy - in West Hollywood

    Tue, October 28, 2008 - 2:33 PM
    I just now noticed that one of the idiots behind this actually said "Hey! Here's a year where we have Halloween and the election so close together....."

    Let's see, Halloween is on the last day of October, and the Constitution says elections are on the first Tuesday after the first Monday in November. So - hey! - like, Halloween is ALWAYS close to election day!!!
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    Tue, October 28, 2008 - 3:38 PM
    I don't consider that "free speech".

    There is nothing humorous or of value in hanging an effigy of anyone.

    If people want to speak out against a candidate, do so on voting day. Vote.
    • Re: Palin lynched in effigy - in West Hollywood

      Tue, October 28, 2008 - 4:42 PM
      There are a lot of things that a lot of people don't consider free speech. Who gets to decide for us all?

      So many people seem to be comfortable with free speech so long as the person exercising the right is saying something nice and agreeable. Sorry but it doesn't work that way.
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        Tue, October 28, 2008 - 4:44 PM
        That's true, Yoone, but there has to be some standard. On the one hand you can't have the happy police shutting down dissent, but on the other you can't have people inciting violence. There has to be a balance, and hanging people in effigy is close to it if not over the line, imo.
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          Tue, October 28, 2008 - 4:52 PM
          I worked in a male-dominated field once.

          Were "The boys" were engaging in free speech when they hung a barbie doll from a noose in my office?

          Did they think it was funny? Yes.

          Did I think it was funny? Absolutely not.

          It scared me. A lot.
          • Re: Palin lynched in effigy - in West Hollywood

            Tue, October 28, 2008 - 5:02 PM
            Djarum there is a huge difference between work place harassment and political free speech. The settings are entirely different. What is tolerable at the work place is not the same as what is tolerable in one's own yard.
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              Tue, October 28, 2008 - 6:22 PM
              Yooneee says:
              "Djarum there is a huge difference between work place harassment and political free speech. The settings are entirely different."

              The settings are different. I just have difficulty in separating appropriate behaviors or moral codes by setting. I guess it would be fine if someone wants to decorate their mantle with hanging miniature politicians for the holidays. Any holidays. They can make their statement and I don't have to see it. But if it's outside, anyone can see it.

              Most people don't go out in the front yard and have sex in the afternoon and do interviews about it. Not in the name of free speech. Not in the name fun either. They'd get arrested. Even if they usually have sex only five feet away, it's on the other side of the wall or fence.

              We can't unsee what we have seen. We can't unhear what we have heard. We can't unread what we have read.

              What is this person SAYING by hanging an effigy of Sarah Palin that is covered by Free Speech? Seems to me it would fall more into the realm of Hate Speech.

              "Hate speech is a term for speech intended to degrade, intimidate, or incite violence or prejudicial action against a person or group of people based on their race, gender, age, ethnicity, nationality, religion, sexual orientation, gender identity, disability, language ability, ideology, social class, occupation, appearance (height, weight, hair color, etc.), mental capacity, and any other distinction that might be considered by some as a liability. The term covers written as well as oral communication and some forms of behaviors in a public setting. It is also sometimes called antilocution and is the first point on Allport's scale which measures prejudice in a society.

              See also Allport's Scale:
              en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allport%27s_scale
              • Re: Palin lynched in effigy - in West Hollywood

                Tue, October 28, 2008 - 6:41 PM
                <<What is this person SAYING by hanging an effigy of Sarah Palin that is covered by Free Speech? Seems to me it would fall more into the realm of Hate Speech. >>

                You could chose to define it as such and I wouldn't try to disagree with you but people are allowed to say hateful things. Take these gals for example: abcnews.go.com/primetime/story
                It is not illegal to be hateful even if it is twisted as fuck unless you are deliberately inciting violence. Neither the Obama effigy or the Palin effigy actively encourage anyone to engage in any violence. Neither candidate is personally effected by them. The only reason they are even of any note is because the news media loves to sensationalize stories like these.
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                Tue, October 28, 2008 - 10:55 PM
                <What is this person SAYING by hanging an effigy of Sarah Palin that is covered by Free Speech? Seems to me it would fall more into the realm of Hate Speech.>

                It seems to me it comes close to, if not crosses the line into, the realm of inciting a violent criminal act.
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                  Wed, October 29, 2008 - 12:24 AM
                  "It seems to me it comes close to, if not crosses the line into, the realm of inciting a violent criminal act. "

                  Hardly. It may be sick wish fulfillment, but it doesn't reasonably translate into a solicitation or inciting of a crime.

                  Of course if I defended the free speech rights of the assholes at the McCain/Palin rallies, some folks would be blasting me around here.
      • Re: Palin lynched in effigy - in West Hollywood

        Tue, October 28, 2008 - 4:52 PM
        Why is it when some nutjob shouts something offensive about Obama at a McCain or Palin rally, the focus of attention is on the hostility of the expression, but when some nutjob hangs a likeness of Palin in effigy, the focus is on the right to free speech of THAT nutjob?
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          Tue, October 28, 2008 - 4:56 PM
          Mostly, it's pure hypocrisy. I don't think anyone would disagree that this thread would be very different were it Obama hanging. I think the only person here arguing against taking it down and being honest is Yoone, everyone else is just being a hypocrite.
        • Re: Palin lynched in effigy - in West Hollywood

          Tue, October 28, 2008 - 5:01 PM
          <<Why is it when some nutjob shouts something offensive about Obama at a McCain or Palin rally, the focus of attention is on the hostility of the expression, but when some nutjob hangs a likeness of Palin in effigy, the focus is on the right to free speech of THAT nutjob?>>

          Have you ever seen a post from me saying that someone doesn't have the right to shout what they want at a Palin rally? I may have an opinion about what they shout and if they are shouting something that encourages violence then it could be questionable but you can cruise all through this tribe and you know you won't find any post where I have protested anyone's right to free speech. What is more I have made it clear I support the rights of the man who hung an Obama effigy even if I do think it sucks.
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            Tue, October 28, 2008 - 5:21 PM
            I didn't intend on accusing you of double standards Yoon. It just struck me that the direction of this discussion was tending towards embracing the guy's freedom of speech, but the direction of discussions regarding offensively hostile anti-Obama speech is not to embrace freedom of speech but rather to focus on the mean spirited hostility of the speech.
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              Tue, October 28, 2008 - 5:25 PM
              I think it is possible to both be disgusted by the speech and still respect the speakers rights.

              Of course I am disgusted by some of the racial shit that has been slung around during this election. I'm also very disgusted by the sexist shit and anyone who has read any of my posts knows that I have made my thoughts on that very clear. Still that doesn't mean I want to censor those who say shit I don't like. There is no hypocrisy in not liking someone's message. The hypocrisy comes in trying to actually control what they can or can't say while at the same time excusing those whom you support.
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                Tue, October 28, 2008 - 5:38 PM
                Yooneee has a very valid point:
                She states that this display may not be as affrontive as say the megawatt X-mas display of her next door neighbor
                Not everyone is a Christian in America and some of these Christmas displays can be just as obnoxious as an effigy on Halloween or an overly-done Creepy Halloween display
                Even as a Christian Woman I would find a nightly display of a manger scene and the audio re-telling of "The Christmas Story" objectionable. Some Christians go overboard with their Christmas Displays.
                Last year, a Man came under fire for putting up a 30 foot inflatable "Grinch" along with the song: "your a mean One,Mr Grinch",he did this in retaliation for his next door neighbors 50 thousand watt X-Mas display. His homeowner's association "approved of" the neighbors obnoxious Christmas display but fought him in Court,to remove his Grinch display. It all depends on your beliefs and the beliefs of those holding the list of homeowner association rules.
                Although we may find some displays objectionable,all displays should be allowed under the free speech act.why single-out a Display becuase it isnt what YOU like?
              • Re: Palin lynched in effigy - in West Hollywood

                Tue, October 28, 2008 - 5:43 PM
                "I think it is possible to both be disgusted by the speech and still respect the speakers rights. "

                Oh I absolutely agree, but I hope you see my point. No?
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                  Tue, October 28, 2008 - 5:59 PM
                  <<Oh I absolutely agree, but I hope you see my point. No?>>

                  Well, I am not absolutely sure what your point is? Should we not be outraged when we hear things that we feel are outrageous? I don't think that is realistic for human beings. If people are upset at certain rhetoric or displays I am not seeing anything wrong with that on either side. The sort of tit for tat approach to it all doesn't make much sense to me. I think both sides have been guilty of letting people say and do outrageous things.
                  I had a tribe friend not to long ago post in her photos a "comedic" piece of Joe Biden saying to Sarah Palin "What is the difference between your vagina and your mouth?" and then the answer was "Only some of the things that come out of your vagina are retarded." I was extraordinarily upset to see that. I let the friend know it made me upset but then that was it. It was her choice after that to handle it however she felt she should. To me that was just as bad as seeing someone make photos of Obama morphed into a monkey. It does bug me that people don't seem to acknowledge that both sides are engaging in some nasty behavior. But what followers do isn't always the fault of the candidate. Still I have yet to see Obama himself or his VP be overtly nasty but I don't feel the same can be said for McCain's team.
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                    Tue, October 28, 2008 - 6:13 PM
                    OK, let me flesh this out a bot more then.

                    Consider this:

                    Person X from party A expresses some offensive things at candidate Z from party B. Party B partisans express outrage. Their focus is on the offensiveness, hostility and mean spiritedness of the speech. No one says that the offensive speaker has or hasn't a right to speech; that's just not the focus - the focus is on the offensiveness of the speech.

                    Then

                    Person Y from party B expresses some offensive things at candidate W from party A. Party B partisans don't express outrage, but rather focus on the right to speech of Person Y.

                    Two facts are true in both cases: 1, The speakers had the right to speak, and 2, their speech was offensive. However, when the offensive speech is in support of one's side, I find that fellow partisans focus on the free speech right to express such things, but when the speech is in support of the other side, the partisans on the receiving end focus on the offensiveness of the speech.


                    I've seen this happen before, so I was sensitive to it.
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                      Tue, October 28, 2008 - 6:29 PM
                      <<I've seen this happen before, so I was sensitive to it.>>

                      OK, I get that.
                      • It's getting pretty thick, in general, with the outrage.

                        Dems and Repubs, lately, have ratcheted up this indignant outrage thing to a new height of complete absurdity.

                        Sure, it's human to have outrage - it's human to have rage in general - but there is no reason to "respect" it. Fuck your outrage; it's entirely pointless. If you can support some logic behind your outrage - if you can cogently show that it isn't just you being a controlly busybody that ought to untwist the underpants and learn to mind your own business a bit better - then we can pretend your outrage was "right" enough to be justifiable, but, otherwise - fuck it. Who cares?

                        I'd probably be less inclined to fault the hypocrisy of those who habitually express outrage over the activities of politico fans were they less responsible for its manufacture. Ron's outrage, for instance, is not moving to me, personally, as he's been the source of plenty of faux outrage and lame vindictive crabbing to cover numerous threads. He's earned a place in the "ignore this" file, after enjoying years of relatively respectable sobriety, from having succumbed to the urge to fake a moral and pretend it "disgusts" him that someone violated it.

                        Outrage is bullshit unless it provokes the will to take meaningful action. If you're ready to become active in order to deny someone else's reasonable freedom of expression, you're an evil toxic poo and should be ridiculed at the very least, as many of the usual suspects on this forum rightly are.

                        Lynching effigies is old school America, folks. If it bothers you, then it's revealed to be every bit as effective as it ever was.

                        The 5th of November approaches.

                        EDIT: KCRW online radio started reporting on the effigies just as I was clicking on "submit"; it's a Hallowe'en miracle!
        • Re: Palin lynched in effigy - in West Hollywood

          Wed, October 29, 2008 - 2:59 AM
          <Why is it when some nutjob shouts something offensive about Obama at a McCain or Palin rally, the focus of attention is on the hostility of the expression, but when some nutjob hangs a likeness of Palin in effigy, the focus is on the right to free speech of THAT nutjob?>

          Simply because there's a difference between wackos around and about and wacos who are encouraged at a public event. In my mind, anyway.
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    Wed, October 29, 2008 - 8:42 AM
    When I first heard about the Palin lynching in effigy, I assumed one or more of the following things would be the case:

    (1) That it simply wasn't true.
    (2) That the people behind it would hide their identities.
    (3) That if they were discovered the people behind it would claim that it wasn't meant to be Sarah Palin.
    (4) That if they were discovered the people behind it would cover their faces and refuse to talk in public.
    (5) That the people behind it would turn out to be Republicans trying to make Obama look bad.
    (6) That Obama and his supporters would insist that this is disgusting and and condemn it.

    Instead:
    (1) It is true.
    (2) The folks who did this did this have no qualms about publicly identifying themselves.
    (3) They readily admit that it is meant to be Sarah Palin - they even point out that they are also burning John McCain in effigy too!
    (4) They appear to be quite proud of themselves.
    (5) They are Obama supporters.
    (6) Many Obama supporters either cheer them on or make excuses for them.
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      Wed, October 29, 2008 - 9:05 AM
      Actually they were pretty creative!
      I mean they did capture that Sarah Palin look with the mannequin although I think nude (flesh colored)stockings instead of white would have been more her style and those Pumps definatly have too high a heel to them!
      As for John? well,it's hard to duplicate him becuase hes so wrinkled and joweled from old age but I give e'm credit for trying!
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        Wed, October 29, 2008 - 11:15 AM
        After seeing this male couple interviewed on TV, I am of the impression that they did not do this to grab attention on a national level. The effigy's are only part of a larger display of Halloween related figures and props. They do not strike me as politically radical people in the least.

        However, I do still believe its in poor taste considering the political climate we're in.

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          Wed, October 29, 2008 - 11:46 AM


          the gays are jealous of sarah palin cause now they have a new

          woman to look up to , they're mad, mad, she should have consulted them

          for a fashion makeover ,,



          and jenn,,,I think i'll spend some time making an effigy of you

          because i want us to have a beer while you laugh your panties off,,

          theres probably a lot of people here that can visualize that :-)

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          Wed, October 29, 2008 - 2:05 PM
          >> After seeing this male couple interviewed on TV, I am of the impression that they did not do this to grab attention on a national level. The effigy's are only part of a larger display of Halloween related figures and props. They do not strike me as politically radical people in the least.

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          Which is more frightening:

          (1) Some lunatic old man screaming "bomb obama" in the parking lot outside a McCain rally.

          (2) A nice respectable middle class couple calmly explaining why it's OK to hold a mock lynching in their front yard.

          (3) Some soul-addled loser on tribe who sees all of this as a question of "taste".
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            Wed, October 29, 2008 - 3:01 PM
            *Which is more frightening:

            (1) Some lunatic old man screaming "bomb obama" in the parking lot outside a McCain rally.

            (2) A nice respectable middle class couple calmly explaining why it's OK to hold a mock lynching in their front yard.

            (3) Some soul-addled loser on tribe who sees all of this as a question of "taste".*

            Busy with the wrong details. There are many (around the world & in Hollyweird) who venture blindly into the realm of what they think is free speech without stopping to think for a moment that it isn't free. It's a lot of work. Most are either too crazy or too lazy to do the work. Now this is for the courts to decide.

            Ask not *which is more frightening,* oh Frightened One. Turn off the: TV, computer, video game & read. Understand the law. (Boo!) Stop Being Afraid.