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"The world's top discussion moderators have developed successful tools for keeping online miscreants from disrupting conversation. All are rooted in one psychological insight: If you simply ban trolls—kicking them off your board—you nurture their curdled sense of being an oppressed truth-speaker. Instead, the moderators rely on making the comments less prominent."
www.wired.com/techbiz/peo.../st_thompson
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Re: the Taming of Comment Trolls
Sun, April 5, 2009 - 5:23 PMArcher:
There's only one problem in the sort of rating system used by youtube or slashdot. If people can vote to silence someone as a troll, then they can just as easily silence a point of view they don't like as an actual troll.
You see this a lot of youtube. There is a "flagging" war, where pro-Muslims or pro-Israel people try to have anything they disagree with removed by voting endlessly that it's "spam".
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Re: the Taming of Comment Trolls
Sun, April 5, 2009 - 5:42 PMI read that Wired article too, and it seemed pretty interesting, but Adam points out the rather extreme shortcomings of such a system.
Notice how around here all it took was the exit of one person determined to be an irritant and suddenly the tribe is full of civilized discussion of many different political topics again?
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Re: the Taming of Comment Trolls
Sun, April 5, 2009 - 5:43 PMdiscussion thread from February in Brainstorm when NSA was considering the
implementation of a ratings system here on Tribe:
brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/...530cf8ba
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Re: the Taming of Comment Trolls
Sun, April 5, 2009 - 5:52 PMthis problem's solution is stunningly obvious: an ignore feature. -
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Re: the Taming of Comment Trolls
Sun, April 5, 2009 - 8:07 PM> this problem's solution is stunningly obvious: an ignore feature.
*bing* *bing* *bing*
cdub wins.
But that only works really well in a place like tribe, where most of the readers and posters are regular users. If we have a much larger group (millions of posters), you don't want to have to manually flag all of those you wish to ignore.
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Re: the Taming of Comment Trolls
Sun, April 5, 2009 - 10:34 PM<<this problem's solution is stunningly obvious: an ignore feature.>>
Tribe's been saying they were going to implement this for years. Supposedly, 3.0 is going to have it. I'll believe it when I see it. Even putting the facebook, twitter, email links seems to put the server into a tail spin. I doubt that they'll be able to pull it off.
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Re: the Taming of Comment Trolls
Mon, April 6, 2009 - 10:02 AM>this problem's solution is stunningly obvious: an ignore feature.
The real problem's solution is less obvious: a discredit feature. -
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Re: the Taming of Comment Trolls
Mon, April 6, 2009 - 10:17 AM<< a discredit feature >>
Most of these idiots come with one already installed. -
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Re: the Taming of Comment Trolls
Tue, April 7, 2009 - 5:42 AMSince the spiders are already reading our posts for marketing purposes, couldn't they also be used to identify and post links to uncredited conservative blogs?
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Re: the Taming of Comment Trolls
Sun, April 5, 2009 - 10:35 PM
YouTube is a free for all.
On several larger websites, like the BBC, are comments approved individually or is there some sort of technology in place that analyzes the content of the response? It would be cool to know what their standards are. I suspect Wikipedia suffers from the same kinds of behavior but from a different sort of beast - the information troll.
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Re: the Taming of Comment Trolls
Sun, April 5, 2009 - 7:52 PMTrolls thrive on interpersonal conflict.
Get rid of all the flaming and ad hominem attackers, and you've automatically created a climate in which trolls feel conspicuous, out of place, and foolish.
But then, if you got rid of the flamers and the ad hominen attackers, you would be getting rid of 50 to 75% of the people who regularly contribute to internet debates. You would be depopulating and de-dramatizing your tribe, thereby running the risk that people would lose interest. -
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Re: the Taming of Comment Trolls
Sun, April 5, 2009 - 10:35 PM<<if you got rid of the flamers and the ad hominen attackers, you would be getting rid of 50 to 75% of the people who regularly contribute to internet debates. You would be depopulating and de-dramatizing your tribe, thereby running the risk that people would lose interest.>>
Sad but true.
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