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At least 14 hurt as Grad rocket hits Ashkelon shopping mall
JPost.com Staff , THE JERUSALEM POST May. 14, 2008
At least 14 people were wounded Wednesday evening, including a mother and her three-year-old daughter, when a Grad rocket fired from Gaza hit the Hutzot Shopping Center in Ashkelon.
The rocket ripped through the roof of the mall, causing a large chunk of the roof to collapse in a huge pile of rubble and twisted metal. Four windows were blown out of the side of the building. The top floor of the building, which bore the brunt of the attack, is where offices and clinics are located.
A hospital official said a woman and her young daughter were seriously wounded, along with another child. Another woman was seriously wounded, and several other people were lightly wounded, said the official, Leah Malul of Barzilai Hospital in Ashkelon.
MDA said 14 people were wounded - three seriously, two moderately and nine slightly, adding that all the casualties had been evacuated from the site of the attack, including four people who were briefly trapped under the rubble.
Witnesses said an early warning siren meant to give a few seconds for people to take cover did not sound before the rocket slammed into the mall.
Two terror groups, the Islamic Jihad and the Popular Resistance Committees, claimed responsibility for the attack.
Israel believes Islamic Jihad is getting the Grads from Iran. "It's part of the Iranian war against Israel," former deputy defense minister Ephraim Sneh told Israel Radio.
The attack came as Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and US President George W. Bush concluded their meeting in Jerusalem.
Olmert said at the end of the talks that Israel would not tolerate attacks from Gaza terrorists.
"We will not be able to tolerate continuous attacks on innocent civilians. We hope we will not have to act against Hamas in other ways with the military power that Israel hasn't yet started to use in a serious manner in order to stop it," said Olmert before learning of the attack on Ashkelon.
A government official was quoted by Channel Two as saying that Bush's visit "won't prevent an immediate Israeli response" to the attack.
The channel quoted another Jerusalem official as saying, "We are on a certain path of an extensive military confrontation with Hamas."
Following the rocket strike, Defense Minister Ehud Barak invited visiting US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice to accompany him on a tour of the scene of the attack.
Barak met Rice at Jerusalem's King David Hotel and the two discussed a series of regional, political and security issues.
Public Security Minister Avi Dichter and Industry, Trade and Labor Minister Eli Yishai visited Ashkelon to show solidarity with residents.
Holding a loud speaker Yishai said, "We will act with all our strength, and the required operation will take place."
A disgruntled crowd heckled the ministers, shouting "Bring down the government."
Meanwhile, two Kadima faction members called on the government to assassinate Hamas leaders.
"Hamas leaders must be assassinated. We need to prove to Bush and to the world that Israel can fight terror," said MK Shlomo Mula.
Knesset House Committee chairman David Tal, also of Kadima, said that "Israel must sever the hand that is launching rockets at Israel."
Likud released a statement calling for a "policy of strength" and urging the government to "topple the Hamas regime."
Separately, Likud MK Gideon Sa'ar said the attack was a result of the government's "continuing weak policy of restraint" that he said was effectively "the abandonment of residents of the South."
He called for a wide-scale military operation in Gaza "in order to restore security to southerners."
US Democratic presidential candidate Senator Barack Obama strongly condemned the attack.
"As the United States joins Israel in celebrating its 60th anniversary, today's cowardly rocket attack and tragic injuries remind us of the ongoing threats that Israelis face with courage and resolve," he said.
"In the days and years to come, the United States must maintain its unshakable commitment to supporting Israel's right and capability to defend itself against these outrageous terrorist attacks, so that the Israeli people can live in peace and security," continued the senator.
At least 14 hurt as Grad rocket hits Ashkelon shopping mall
JPost.com Staff , THE JERUSALEM POST May. 14, 2008
At least 14 people were wounded Wednesday evening, including a mother and her three-year-old daughter, when a Grad rocket fired from Gaza hit the Hutzot Shopping Center in Ashkelon.
The rocket ripped through the roof of the mall, causing a large chunk of the roof to collapse in a huge pile of rubble and twisted metal. Four windows were blown out of the side of the building. The top floor of the building, which bore the brunt of the attack, is where offices and clinics are located.
A hospital official said a woman and her young daughter were seriously wounded, along with another child. Another woman was seriously wounded, and several other people were lightly wounded, said the official, Leah Malul of Barzilai Hospital in Ashkelon.
MDA said 14 people were wounded - three seriously, two moderately and nine slightly, adding that all the casualties had been evacuated from the site of the attack, including four people who were briefly trapped under the rubble.
Witnesses said an early warning siren meant to give a few seconds for people to take cover did not sound before the rocket slammed into the mall.
Two terror groups, the Islamic Jihad and the Popular Resistance Committees, claimed responsibility for the attack.
Israel believes Islamic Jihad is getting the Grads from Iran. "It's part of the Iranian war against Israel," former deputy defense minister Ephraim Sneh told Israel Radio.
The attack came as Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and US President George W. Bush concluded their meeting in Jerusalem.
Olmert said at the end of the talks that Israel would not tolerate attacks from Gaza terrorists.
"We will not be able to tolerate continuous attacks on innocent civilians. We hope we will not have to act against Hamas in other ways with the military power that Israel hasn't yet started to use in a serious manner in order to stop it," said Olmert before learning of the attack on Ashkelon.
A government official was quoted by Channel Two as saying that Bush's visit "won't prevent an immediate Israeli response" to the attack.
The channel quoted another Jerusalem official as saying, "We are on a certain path of an extensive military confrontation with Hamas."
Following the rocket strike, Defense Minister Ehud Barak invited visiting US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice to accompany him on a tour of the scene of the attack.
Barak met Rice at Jerusalem's King David Hotel and the two discussed a series of regional, political and security issues.
Public Security Minister Avi Dichter and Industry, Trade and Labor Minister Eli Yishai visited Ashkelon to show solidarity with residents.
Holding a loud speaker Yishai said, "We will act with all our strength, and the required operation will take place."
A disgruntled crowd heckled the ministers, shouting "Bring down the government."
Meanwhile, two Kadima faction members called on the government to assassinate Hamas leaders.
"Hamas leaders must be assassinated. We need to prove to Bush and to the world that Israel can fight terror," said MK Shlomo Mula.
Knesset House Committee chairman David Tal, also of Kadima, said that "Israel must sever the hand that is launching rockets at Israel."
Likud released a statement calling for a "policy of strength" and urging the government to "topple the Hamas regime."
Separately, Likud MK Gideon Sa'ar said the attack was a result of the government's "continuing weak policy of restraint" that he said was effectively "the abandonment of residents of the South."
He called for a wide-scale military operation in Gaza "in order to restore security to southerners."
US Democratic presidential candidate Senator Barack Obama strongly condemned the attack.
"As the United States joins Israel in celebrating its 60th anniversary, today's cowardly rocket attack and tragic injuries remind us of the ongoing threats that Israelis face with courage and resolve," he said.
"In the days and years to come, the United States must maintain its unshakable commitment to supporting Israel's right and capability to defend itself against these outrageous terrorist attacks, so that the Israeli people can live in peace and security," continued the senator.
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Re: 14 Israelis injured by rocket attack in Ashkelon
Wed, May 14, 2008 - 12:00 PMHow do you think Israel should respond? Should they consider why the Palestinians are so angry as to attack innocent civilians or should they go and respond with force to punish those who are responsible? Maybe you have a different idea altogether??
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Re: 14 Israelis injured by rocket attack in Ashkelon
Wed, May 14, 2008 - 12:43 PMSheik:
> How do you think Israel should respond?
Israel should continue to maintain the sanctions/blockade, and Israel should continue to target militants. That should continue until Hamas agrees to peace discussions, in addition to a truce.
Israel should also encourage the Palestinians to engage in national reconciliation such that a real peace process can begin. -
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Re: 14 Israelis injured by rocket attack in Ashkelon
Wed, May 14, 2008 - 1:33 PMAdam,
Do you think that the sanctions are causing more distress than anything else? I wish there was a way for Israel to directly address the humanitarian needs of the people in Gaza while bypassing Hamas in the process, so that the civilians will see the distinction between Israel's disdain for terrorism in conjunction with their recognition of the conditions that the people are living in. -
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Re: 14 Israelis injured by rocket attack in Ashkelon
Wed, May 14, 2008 - 2:40 PMIs there a radio and a tv station broadcasting into Gaza from Israel that conveys Israel's desire for peace and correlates Israel's actions to attacks by Hamas? -
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Re: 14 Israelis injured by rocket attack in Ashkelon
Wed, May 14, 2008 - 3:05 PMHaaretz claims that the number of injured Israelis is 80 and not 14.
That is fucked up. There is going to be a very strong response. -
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Wed, May 14, 2008 - 3:05 PMFunny how the usual suspects are not outraged by this attack against civilians. -
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Wed, May 14, 2008 - 3:11 PMIt's only "newsworthy" amongst the usual suspects when Palestinian civilians die. -
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Re: 14 Israelis injured by rocket attack in Ashkelon
Wed, May 14, 2008 - 3:14 PMSo predictable. And for the assholes who claim that the rockets coming from Gaza are essentially bottle rockets take a look at the pictures in the NY Times. The damage is very substantial.
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Re: 14 Israelis injured by rocket attack in Ashkelon
Wed, May 14, 2008 - 5:32 PMYes well then Israel should withdraw to the 1967 borders and stop stealing land. -
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Re: 14 Israelis injured by rocket attack in Ashkelon
Wed, May 14, 2008 - 6:10 PMcDub,
That's the best you can do??? Instead of addressing what is a blatant war crime you put the burden of cause on Israel??? Way to go Betty. You've just exposed how totally void you are of logic and intelligence.
This is blatant terrorism, not a response to an attack, this is simply an attempt to harm as many innocent civilians as possible. -
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Wed, May 14, 2008 - 6:19 PMYou asked what they should do. I answered. Clearly it is blatant terrorism. Well - theres two ways of responding to terrorism. Try to address legitimate grievances or go to war and try and kill 'em all. I prefer the former; you apparently prefer the latter.
My solution really would end the terrorism. But you don't want that, you want more land theft by Israel - apparently. Because otherwise you'd be calling for withdrawal to the 67 borders and and end to settlements same as I am. Those are the steps that would delegitimize the Palestinian hard-liners and allow the moderates to credibly argue for an end to armed retaliation. But, as long as you have people backed into a corner and desperate they will respond in often violent and murderous ways. Thats reality. And the reality is, its Israel's leadership who accepts the prices of more Israeli blood in order to continue their program of land theft. Your anger should be directed at them. -
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Re: 14 Israelis injured by rocket attack in Ashkelon
Wed, May 14, 2008 - 6:23 PMcDub,
You don't speak for me so shut the fuck up. Apparently you are clueless and you don't know that your solution would end terrorism so stop presenting your predictions (which are ridiculous) as fact.
Hamas has never claimed that they would recognize Israels right to exist if the territories are returned, so where you come to this conclusion is questionable. -
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Wed, May 14, 2008 - 7:13 PMsheik the palestinians stopped terrorist attacks for like 7 years while real negotiations were on. its flat-out racism to claim they can't ever make peace.
Fact is, the Israelis have killed more civillians than the Palestinians. And the Israelis have the force advantage, the Palestinians are near powerless. OK?
I'm sick of zionists whining. EVerybody dislikes terrorist attacks. You dumbfucks cry and cry about the terrorist attacks meanwhile you kill MORE civilians, you steal MORE land. Israel is a pariah state, the entire world sees whats going on. If you're gonna steal the land just fucking steal it and quit trying to claim any moral high ground becase you don't have it. You're stealing land, you kill Palestinians to accomplish it, and you accept your own countrymen's blood as the cost. The Geneva accord and a zilllion other proposals provide a peaceful alternative, but ISRAEL DOES NOT WANT PEACE IT WANTS LAND.
So - as far as I'm concerned every last Zionist such as yourself is NO BETTER than the Nazis who ran you guys out of Europe. You have become what you claim to condemn. And the whole world sees it. -
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Re: 14 Israelis injured by rocket attack in Ashkelon
Wed, May 14, 2008 - 7:15 PM<<sheik the palestinians stopped terrorist attacks for like 7 years while real negotiations were on>>
What negotiations?
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Wed, May 14, 2008 - 6:25 PMcDub,
And how do you know if I want to return to the pre-1967 borders? Where have I ever claimed that I wanted something different? If you have no proof then you need to consider the statements that you're making and how blatantly false they are. -
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Re: 14 Israelis injured by rocket attack in Ashkelon
Wed, May 14, 2008 - 7:32 PMSheik, I answered your question on how to stop this kind of attack on Israelis. Your response, for posterity:
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That's the best you can do??? Instead of addressing what is a blatant war crime you put the burden of cause on Israel??? Way to go Betty. You've just exposed how totally void you are of logic and intelligence.
This is blatant terrorism, not a response to an attack, this is simply an attempt to harm as many innocent civilians as possible.
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So. You didn't like my suggestion on how to end this kind of madness. You appear to be "emotional response trolling". You want me to just condemn the attack on civilians and move on, right?
Sorry sir, doesn't work like that. I'm black, I know what its like to be the underdog group, and yes I do sympathize with the powerless who are being fucked by the powerful which in this particular case my friend, happens to be Israel fucking over the Palestinians. Thats the deal as I see it.
Every nationalist struggle against an oppressor uses UGLY means. I can name just about every nationalist resistance movement in history and show very bad things done on behalf of that cause. South Africa comes to mind. But that does NOT mean that hte party with a huge power advantage - in cases where such a power disparity exists - isn't largely responsible for what happens.
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Wed, May 14, 2008 - 8:38 PMcDub:
> My solution really would end the terrorism.
I don't think that's clear at all.
The position of Hamas and Hezbollah has always been that Israel needs to be destroyed, and the Jews need to be massacred, cleansed, or subjugated.
This has actually been the position of most Muslims going all of the way back to Mohammed himself. Mohammed taught that Jews must be subjugated as 2nd class citizens (Dhimmis), or they're to be cleansed.
Hamas has only very recently changed their position on this, potentially agreeing to live in peace with Israel if that's the will of the Palestinian majority.
> Because otherwise you'd be calling for withdrawal to the 67 borders and and end to settlements same as I am.
The forced displacement of 700,000 Muslims is called a catastrophe ("Nakba").
What then do you call the forced displacement of 450,000 Jews?
"Half a catastrophe"??
Adjusting the Green Line slightly with a 1:1 land swap would dramatically reduce the number of Jews that have to be displaced.
But other than that, I agree with you. Israel should start removing more and more settlements from the West Bank.
I hope you realize how hard this is. It's double hard in a democracy, where any ruling party is going to have to deal with the repercussion of displacing hundreds of thousands of their own people.
Finally, the Palestinians made this much more difficult for themselves and for Israel. Israel left the Gaza. Every settlement was removed. Every Jew was removed (cleansed). How did the Palestinians respond? They escalated the attacks against Israel from Gaza.
cDub, what makes you so sure that Israel pulling out of the West Bank wouldn't just lead to another escalation of Palestinian aggression against Israel, now with the Palestinian militants in firing range of Tel Aviv.
Can you imagine the USA trying to placate terrorists by allowing them to set up bases within 20 miles of New York?? -
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Re: 14 Israelis injured by rocket attack in Ashkelon
Thu, May 15, 2008 - 3:47 AMadam your little islamic history lesson leaves out that jews were treated better by islamic nations than in christian ones for hundreds of years.
quoting scripture is shark-jumping on the worst kind.
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Re: 14 Israelis injured by rocket attack in Ashkelon
Wed, May 14, 2008 - 6:19 PMcDub,
And these attacks are being committed against people who are living within the pre-1967 borders. Why you are trying to justify this is beyond the realm of believability. -
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Re: 14 Israelis injured by rocket attack in Ashkelon
Wed, May 14, 2008 - 7:15 PMSheik I'm not justifying jack shit. I've condemned murder enough time on this board I don't care to in this case. OK? So just quit whining about terrorist attacks from some desperate fucks who are living on a reservation. Its like hearing American settlers whining about Indian raids. THATS THE COST OF STEALING LAND, THE NATIVES FIGHT BACK DIRTY.
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Re: 14 Israelis injured by rocket attack in Ashkelon
Wed, May 14, 2008 - 6:29 PM<Funny how the usual suspects are not outraged by this attack against civilians.>
Funny how some people only just heard about this right now, yet there are already people talking shit on others in this tribe for not posting here yet. -
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Re: 14 Israelis injured by rocket attack in Ashkelon
Wed, May 14, 2008 - 6:31 PMQuestioner: What should Israel do in response...
Answerer: Israel should do....
Questioner: STFU
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Wed, May 14, 2008 - 6:33 PMStick,
Look what time I posted this. If the tables were turned there would be several people claiming that Israel is satanic. I think people like to root for the underdog as opposed to being critical of the actions regardless of who commits them. -
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Re: 14 Israelis injured by rocket attack in Ashkelon
Wed, May 14, 2008 - 6:36 PM<I think people like to root for the underdog as opposed to being critical of the actions regardless of who commits them.>
Way to give the benefit of the doubt. -
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Wed, May 14, 2008 - 6:39 PMStick,
Do you really think that if Israel was responsible for this attack that their would not have more activity and outrage? -
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Re: 14 Israelis injured by rocket attack in Ashkelon
Wed, May 14, 2008 - 6:55 PMAll I'm saying is that I'm tired of going into a thread about a massacre and seeing people already talking down on folks who haven't posted yet. It's really annoying, of course people should be pissed off about this, but that people haven't posted in a thread is not indicator of their stance. -
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Re: 14 Israelis injured by rocket attack in Ashkelon
Wed, May 14, 2008 - 6:57 PMI have spoken out against violence of any sort.
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Wed, May 14, 2008 - 6:59 PMDid anyone die in this attack? I don't see any death toll. Not that that excuses the attack. That would be fortunate, however, if no one died. -
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Wed, May 14, 2008 - 7:01 PMNobody died. -
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Wed, May 14, 2008 - 7:07 PMIf Ha'aretz is correct in that 80 people were injured, I find it amazing that no one died.
I had never heard of this rocket type... a Grad rocket. I'm not calling Katyushas "bottle rockets," but the Grad sounds like a more powerful weapon. -
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Wed, May 14, 2008 - 7:19 PMSo you admit you have no reason to believe so? -
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Wed, May 14, 2008 - 7:20 PMDon't derail Sheik's thread. -
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Wed, May 14, 2008 - 7:22 PMI'm not derailing Sheik's thread. but just tracking someone down who is notorious for dodging questions
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Wed, May 14, 2008 - 7:26 PM<So you admit you have no reason to believe so?>
I have never said anything like that, this is essentially putting words in my mouth. I do believe that they killed the dog. End of story. Now stop derailing Sheik's thread, stop calling me names, and stop following me around. -
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Wed, May 14, 2008 - 7:30 PMThe answer my question: What in the video makes you feel they killed the dog? -
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Wed, May 14, 2008 - 7:35 PMDustin, I don't owe you anything, and I am not going back to that thread. We should agree to disagree about the dog.
There was an attack on PEOPLE. As much as I love dogs, this thread is about civilian PEOPLE who were attacked.
Now stop derailing Sheik's thread. -
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Wed, May 14, 2008 - 7:37 PM"Dustin, I don't owe you anything, and I am not going back to that thread. We should agree to disagree about the dog."
If you are leveling an accusation then you should be able to reasonably support that claim. So far, you are saying it is so, and and no reason to justify that belief. Fine, then don't post about it in a debate tribe -
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Re: 14 Israelis injured by rocket attack in Ashkelon
Wed, May 14, 2008 - 7:41 PMI do not look at this tribe as a debate tribe. I look at it as a discussion tribe, which is how it is described in the tribe's description. However, your "discussions" with me quickly turn ugly, and I have no desire to go there, ever again. Ever. Never, ever again. I have nothing to discuss with you. Now please leave me alone. -
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Re: 14 Israelis injured by rocket attack in Ashkelon
Wed, May 14, 2008 - 7:54 PM"I do not look at this tribe as a debate tribe."
Then why are you constantly debating topics in here?
"However, your "discussions" with me quickly turn ugly, and I have no desire to go there, ever again. Ever. Never, ever again. I have nothing to discuss with you. Now please leave me alone."
I get ugly because you act like a child when anything is mentioned that challenges your world view. Hence, why you wont answer my question
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