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There's several theories as to why bees are dying in large numbers all around the world, inlcuding the US, Europe, and it looks now like England is seeing Colony Collapse Disorder. Everything from cell phones, to migrant bee colonies (migrated by human economy, which uses mobile bee colonies to pollinate crops), and solar radiation.
So far the jury is out. But unlike the Global Warming argument, the impact of bee collapse staggers the mind.
Einstein said:
"If the bee disappeared off the surface of the globe, then man would only have four years of life left. No more bees, no more pollination, no more plants, no more animals, no more man."
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There's several theories as to why bees are dying in large numbers all around the world, inlcuding the US, Europe, and it looks now like England is seeing Colony Collapse Disorder. Everything from cell phones, to migrant bee colonies (migrated by human economy, which uses mobile bee colonies to pollinate crops), and solar radiation.
So far the jury is out. But unlike the Global Warming argument, the impact of bee collapse staggers the mind.
Einstein said:
"If the bee disappeared off the surface of the globe, then man would only have four years of life left. No more bees, no more pollination, no more plants, no more animals, no more man."
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Re: What's killing all the bees?
Mon, April 16, 2007 - 12:54 PM
Well.
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Re: What's killing all the bees?
Mon, April 16, 2007 - 6:10 PMFor the want of a nail a shoe was lost,
shoe a horse was lost
horse, knight, battle, war, kingdom.
My grandmother was very fond of that one, but I doubt if she knew what a statement it makes on the interconnectedness of biological systems on this planet.
As we approach an extinction rate that parallels the great extinctions of past geologic epochs I woulda been very surprised if something like an apis melliferina die off wasn't what kicked our asses off the planet.
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Re: What's killing all the bees?
Mon, April 16, 2007 - 5:54 PMand i was thinking today how much i dislike bees and bee stings.
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Mon, April 16, 2007 - 6:47 PMWe wuz just hanging around the mountains in Spokane last weekend and the boys and I agree that the airbase there lays the best patterns we have seen yet. -
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Mon, April 16, 2007 - 6:52 PMIf the bees die, isnt that going to deal a major blow to the worlds food supply?
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Mon, April 16, 2007 - 8:09 PM
Blown, Sentience. Blown.
Go and read Gentrified's links. -
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Mon, April 16, 2007 - 8:24 PM
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Tue, April 17, 2007 - 10:53 AMYes, this is super duper urgent.
But of course I've already come across Colony Collapse Disorder deniers. "It's not happening", "Al Gore is going to make us give up cell phones". Real quotes I've come across just in the past day of reading on this issue.
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Re: What's killing all the bees?
Tue, April 17, 2007 - 10:54 AMIn terms of epidemics 40% die off isn't so bad and leaves ample room for survivors to bounce back. Not to say it isn't a grave concern. -
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Re: What's killing all the bees?
Tue, April 17, 2007 - 11:38 AMThat's assuming that the die-off is finished.
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Tue, April 17, 2007 - 1:57 PMGrim...not 40%...and even that is WAY TO MUCH..
hard to bounce back when this is spreading ..all over the world..
One out of every three bites of food that we consume is due to the work of honeybees, serving as crucial pollinators in agriculture and farming communities. Yet agriculture and food production may be severely impacted by Colony Collapse Disorder (CCD), a trend documented in honey bee colonies and prominently featured in a New York Times story (1). Beekeepers are reporting estimates as high as 80% loss of their honey bee colonies. Such a huge loss of the services of bees is extremely serious and beekeepers report it's a growing trend.
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Tue, April 17, 2007 - 3:16 PMYeah, if bees vanish... Poof there goes the neighborhood.
And that's the,um, earth neighborhood.
Bee collapse is actually scarier to me than something like, oh, nuclear war. -
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Tue, April 17, 2007 - 4:13 PMI've got the solution! hand pollination! It will end unempolyment!
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Re: What's killing all the bees?
Tue, April 17, 2007 - 11:00 PMThis appears to only be affecting the domesticated honey bee.
There are other bee species and other pollinating insects which, in theory, should begin to fill the gap. -
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Wed, April 18, 2007 - 1:20 AMIf we were talking about natural fields and forests, yes, other insects might fill gap. With modern large scale agriculture, things are different. It isn't one farmer with a couple fields and a hive or two in his garden, like Grampa. Commercial beekeepers travel around with their hives to pollinate various orchards. It's a business like any other. The bees aren't treated with love, the way Grampa's were. Heck, he didn't even need netting, rarely got stung. These guys travel hundreds of miles, from state to state, with a truckload of bees. It amazes me that the bees put up with it.
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Wed, April 18, 2007 - 4:17 AMI was also implying that other species might be domesticated in the same way.
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Wed, April 18, 2007 - 6:42 AMI hate bees and am extremely allegic to their stings. I hope they all die!!! Evil bastards. If someone can help make poison oak become extinct as a plant species I would really appreciate that too. Can someone please get n that for me asap?!!!!
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Re: What's killing all the bees?
Mon, April 23, 2007 - 1:41 PM>>It amazes me that the bees put up with it.
The beekeepers I know are blaming these beekeepers. One even pointed out that the data on bee die off is flawed because it's based on the home address of the bee leasers, not on where the hives died.
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Re: What's killing all the bees?
Tue, April 17, 2007 - 10:59 AMYea,
I started a vegetable garden a few months ago.
I have not seen 1 bee, not a single one.
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Re: What's killing all the bees?
Mon, April 23, 2007 - 8:32 AMI understand Congress is discussing this right now, I do not have a radio, but would be curious if anyone hears their conclusions.
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Re: What's killing all the bees?
Mon, April 23, 2007 - 8:56 AMBees have been around for a very long time. They are a part of the evolution of this present day world. They have survived drastic global events in this worlds history. The only thing different this time is mans fucking of the enviorment with our toxins. Bees will survive, but maybe not the way we need them to, to insure our ways of life.
Yesterday in all my 'Boxelder trees' they were full of bees (thank god) and I live in a very 'agriculturally chemically polluted' area. -
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Re: What's killing all the bees?
Mon, April 23, 2007 - 9:43 AM<Yesterday in all my 'Boxelder trees' they were full of bees (thank god) and I live in a very 'agriculturally chemically polluted' area. >
I believe the leading theory is not pollution but cell phone radiation, interfering with their navigation. -
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Re: What's killing all the bees?
Mon, April 23, 2007 - 12:24 PMPlease keep me updated on this, thank you kindly.
Links etc..
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Mon, April 23, 2007 - 1:51 PM"In cases of colony collapse disorder, flourishing hives are suddenly depopulated leaving few, if any, surviving bees behind.
The queen bee, which is the only one in the hive allowed to reproduce, is found with just a handful of young worker bees and a reserve of food.
Curiously though no dead bees are found either inside or outside the hive.
The fact that other bees or parasites seem to shun the emptied hives raises suspicions that some kind of toxin or chemical is keeping the insects away, Cox-Foster said.
Those bees found in such devastated colonies also all seem to be infected with multiple micro-organisms, many of which are known to be behind stress-related illness in bees.
Scientists working to unravel the mysteries behind CCD believe a new pathogen may be the cause, or a new kind of chemical product which could be weakening the insects' immune systems. "
news.yahoo.com/s/afp/2007...70407020928
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Mon, April 23, 2007 - 1:52 PMwww.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp/...ed.htm
"A French governmental report confirms suspicions of a mass poisoning of bees involving hundreds of thousands of colonies of honey bees. According to the report of the French Scientific and Technical Committee, Bayer's seed treatment GAUCHO pesticide is to blame - at least in part.
Earlier this year, I published an article by French journalist Michel Dogna, who had investigated the ecological catastrophe and pointed a finger at Bayer's toxic product. His article - Synthetic honey and GMO bees? - can be found here.
Coalition against Bayer-Dangers, as well as French and German beekepers' unions are calling for an immediate ban of the pesticide. "
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Re: What's killing all the bees?
Mon, April 23, 2007 - 1:53 PMLooks like this could be responsible for mass bird deaths also reported worldwide this years.
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Re: What's killing all the bees?
Tue, August 19, 2008 - 2:12 PMlawsuit seeks epa data:
(08-18) 18:37 PDT -- The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency is refusing to disclose records about a new class of pesticides that could be playing a role in the disappearance of millions of honeybees in the United States, a lawsuit filed Monday charges.
The Natural Resources Defense Council wants to see the studies that the EPA required when it approved a pesticide made by Bayer CropScience five years ago.
The environmental group filed the suit as part of an effort to find out how diligently the EPA is protecting honeybees from dangerous pesticides, said Aaron Colangelo, a lawyer for the group in Washington.
In the last two years, beekeepers have reported unexplained losses of hives - 30 percent and upward - leading to a phenomenon called colony collapse disorder. Scientists believe that the decline in bees is linked to an onslaught of pesticides, mites, parasites and viruses, as well as a loss of habitat and food.
$15 billion in crops
Bees pollinate about one-third of the human diet, $15 billion worth of U.S. crops, including almonds in California, blueberries in Maine, cucumbers in North Carolina and 85 other commercial crops, according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture. Not finding a cause of the collapse could prove costly, scientists warn.
Representatives of the EPA said they hadn't seen the suit and couldn't comment.
Clothianidin is the pesticide at the center of controversy. It is used to coat corn, sugar beet and sorghum seeds and is part of a class of pesticides called neonicotinoids. The pesticide was blamed for bee deaths in France and Germany, which also is dealing with a colony collapse. Those two countries have suspended its use until further study. An EPA fact sheet from 2003 says clothianidin has the potential for toxic chronic exposure to honey bees, as well as other pollinators, through residues in nectar and pollen.
The EPA granted conditional registration for clothianidin in 2003 and at the same time required that Bayer CropScience submit studies on chronic exposure to honeybees, including a complete worker bee lifecycle study as well as an evaluation of exposure and effects to the queen, the group said. The queen, necessary for a colony, lives a few years; the workers live only six weeks, but there is no honey without them.
"The public has no idea whether those studies have been submitted to the EPA or not and, if so, what they show. Maybe they never came in. Maybe they came in, and they show a real problem for bees. Maybe they're poorly conducted studies that don't satisfy EPA's requirement," Colangelo said.
Request for records
On July 17, after getting no response from the EPA about securing the studies, the environmental group filed a request under the Freedom of Information Act, which requires the records within 20 business days absent unusual circumstances.
When the federal agency missed the August deadline, the group filed the lawsuit, asking the U.S. District Court in Washington, D.C., to force the EPA to turn over the records.
Greg Coffey, a spokesman for Bayer CropScience in Research Triangle Park, N.C., said controlled field studies have demonstrated that clothianidin, when used correctly, will not harm bees. He added that all of EPA's requirements for conditional registration of clothianidin have been submitted to the agency.
An EPA spokesman, Dale Kemery, said the agency couldn't comment on the documents required under the conditional registration because the matter is the subject of litigation.
Unusual circumstances
Generally, the EPA has taken the position that the bee deaths occurred under unusual circumstances. In Germany, the corn lacked a seed coating that ensured that the pesticide stuck to the seed, and equipment blew the pesticide into a nearby canola field where bees fed.
The EPA is "reasonably confident" that a bee kill similar to Germany's wouldn't happen in the United States because use is restricted to commercial applicators who use stickier coatings, according to Kemery.
But because the stickier coatings aren't required, Kemery said, the EPA will review its policies on seed-treatment labels.
In California, according to the 2006 Pesticide Use Report Summary, about 3 pounds of clothianidin was used, all on corn. Other members of the neonicotinoid class, registered for a longer period of time, have been used more frequently, including 127,000 pounds on broccoli, grapes, lettuce and oranges. Some pesticides were used in buildings.
"We've been monitoring the bee die-off situation for a couple of years, and it's a complex puzzle that may also involve mites, viruses and other factors," said Glenn Brank, communications director for the state Department of Pesticide Regulation.
The agency is conducting its own review of environmental data from registered neonicotinoid pesticides as well as watching enforcement reports from counties for any unusual environmental incidents involving bees, he said. None was noted, Brank said.
Scientists presenting at the American Chemical Society national meeting Monday reported that dozens of pesticides had been found in samples of adult bees, broods, pollen and wax collected from honeybee colonies suspected to have died from symptoms of colony collapse disorder, including some neonicotinoids.
Entomologist Gabriela Chavarria, director of Natural Resources Defense Council's Science Center, said over the years bees have had to withstand devastating problems.
Bees pick up deadly farm and home chemicals when they visit flowers, or encounter chemical drift from aerial and other applications. Fifteen years ago, queen bees imported from China brought varroa mites that attacked broods of worker bees. Microscopic tracheal mites invade the hives.
And now the new pesticide, clothianidin, is another problem, Chavarria said. Scientists must find out whether the toxicity has been sufficiently studied, she said.
"We want this information now. We cannot continue to wait. Bees are disappearing. Our whole existence depends on them because we eat. The flowers need to be pollinated, and the only ones to do it are the bees."
Colony collapse
Honeybees, which pollinate everything from almonds to apples to avocados, began abandoning their colonies in 2006, destroying about a third of their hives.
Since then, their numbers have not improved. A survey of beekeepers in the fall and winter 2007 by the Bee Research Lab and the Apiary Inspectors of America showed that beekeepers lost about 35 percent of their hives compared with 31 percent in 2006.
Scientists have not pinpointed the cause.
In 2007, Congress recognized colony collapse disorder as a threat and gave the U.S. Department of Agriculture emergency funds to study honeybee disappearances. In addition, the 2008 Farm Bill grants the USDA $20 million each year to support bee research and related work. And earlier this year, ice cream maker Haagen-Dazs, who relies on honeybees for 40 percent of its flavors, awarded a $250,000 research grant to UC Davis and Pennsylvania State University to research honeybees.
More info
-- The Environmental Protection Agency: links.sfgate
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-- U.S. EPA fact sheet on the pesticide clothianidin: links.sfgate
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-- The Natural Resources Defense Council: links.sfgate
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E-mail Jane Kay at jkay@sfchronicle.com.
sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi
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Re: What's killing all the bees?
Wed, August 20, 2008 - 2:27 PM**********"If the bee disappeared off the surface of the globe, then man would only have four years of life left. No more bees, no more pollination, no more plants, no more animals, no more man."*******
Don't bee so fatalistic.
If the bees went kaput you could pollinate the crops by aerial spraying the crops with a saline and sugar mist and letting hoards of flies go in the fields.
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Re: What's killing all the bees?
Wed, August 20, 2008 - 5:05 PMThat was Einstein that was the 4 year fatalist.
People are worried about this for very good reasons.
But hey, if technology can do it, then ok great I'll stop worrying.
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Thu, August 21, 2008 - 9:54 AM***************What's the opposite of luddite? ************
The opposite is "etiddul"
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Wed, August 20, 2008 - 2:56 PMThe bees that are dying are just the ones that have refused to adapt to the demands of a new global market economy.
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Wed, August 20, 2008 - 3:31 PMfeminists is what they is
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Re: What's killing all the bees?
Thu, August 21, 2008 - 7:47 AM
<><> RAPID MAGNETIC FIELD CHANGES taking place over just a few months!!! <><>
rapid magnetic field changes taking place over just a few months
Something beneath the surface is changing Earth's protective magnetic field, which may leave satellites and other space assets vulnerable to high-energy radiation.
The gradual weakening of the overall magnetic field can take hundreds and even thousands of years. But smaller, more rapid fluctuations within months may leave satellites unprotected and catch scientists off guard, new research finds.
A new model uses satellite data from the past nine years to show how sudden fluid motions within the Earth's core can alter the magnetic envelope around our planet. This represents the first time that researchers have been able to detect such rapid magnetic field changes taking place over just a few months.
"There are these changes in the South Atlantic, an area where the magnetic field has the smallest envelope at one third [of what is] normal," said Mioara Mandea, a geophysicist at the GFZ German Research Center for Geosciences in Potsdam, Germany.
Even before the newly detected changes, the South Atlantic Anomaly represented a weak spot in the magnetic field — a dent in Earth's protective bubble.
READ MORE HERE: www.space.com/scienceastr...th-core.html
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aNd a DisCuSsIoN about this on Godlikeproductions, for those curious...
www.godlikeproductions.com/foru...8/pg1
A comment "The magnetic field and its orientation at any time in Earth's history has had big consequences for life. It protects us from electromagnetic radiation from space. And many animals, including some birds, rely on magnetic forces to navigate.
And Bees..." //
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Im saying like my friend Leif... "Those who SEE, will live..."
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Another article:
"Surprisingly rapid changes in the Earth's core discovered
Space & Earth science / Earth Sciences
In a recent paper published in Nature Geoscience, the geophysicist Mioara MANDEA from the GFZ German Research Centre for Geosciences, Potsdam and her Danish colleague Nils OLSEN from the National Space Institute/DTU Copenhagen, have shown that motions in the fluid in the Earth’s core are changing surprisingly fast, and that this, in turn, effects the magnetic field of our Planet." //
.... read more: www.physorg.com/news134642306.html
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Thu, August 21, 2008 - 10:03 AMJust so you know, I was recently talking to a beekeeper in the San Francisco Bay Area and he noted that this season instances of colony collapse disorder are way way down.
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Thu, August 28, 2008 - 11:52 AMwww.organicconsumers.org/artic...92.cfm
EPA is Hiding Colony Collapse Disorder Information
* EPA Buzz Kill: Is the Agency Hiding Colony Collapse Disorder Information?
Natural Resources Defense Council, via Common Dreams, August 18, 2008
Straight to the Source
NRDC Forced to Sue to Get Public Records on Bee Mystery
WASHINGTON - August 18 - The Natural Resources Defense Council filed a lawsuit today to uncover critical information that the US government is withholding about the risks posed by pesticides to honey bees. NRDC legal experts and a leading bee researcher are convinced that the US Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) has evidence of connections between pesticides and the mysterious honey bee die-offs reported across the country. The phenomenon has come to be called "colony collapse disorder," or CCD, and it is already proving to have disastrous consequences for American agriculture and the $15 billion worth of crops pollinated by bees every year.
EPA has failed to respond to NRDC's Freedom of Information Act request for agency records concerning the toxicity of pesticides to bees, forcing the legal action.
"Recently approved pesticides have been implicated in massive bee die-offs and are the focus of increasing scientific scrutiny," said NRDC Senior Attorney Aaron Colangelo. "EPA should be evaluating the risks to bees before approving new pesticides, but now refuses to tell the public what it knows. Pesticide restrictions might be at the heart of the solution to this growing crisis, so why hide the information they should be using to make those decisions?"
In 2003, EPA granted a registration to a new pesticide manufactured by Bayer CropScience under the condition that Bayer submit studies about its product's impact on bees. EPA has refused to disclose the results of these studies, or if the studies have even been submitted. The pesticide in question, clothianidin, recently was banned in Germany due to concerns about its impact on bees. A similar insecticide was banned in France for the same reason a couple of years before. In the United States, these chemicals still are in use despite a growing consensus among bee specialists that pesticides, including clothianidin and its chemical cousins, may contribute to CCD.
In the past two years, some American beekeepers have reported unexplained losses of 30-90% of the bees in their hives. According to the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA), bees pollinate $15 billion worth of crops grown in America. USDA also claims that one out of every three mouthfuls of food in the typical American diet has a connection to bee pollination. As the die-offs worsen, Americans will see their food costs increase.
Despite bees' critical role for farmers, consumers, and the environment, the federal government has been slow to address the die-off since the alarm bells started in 2006. In recent Congressional hearings, USDA was unable to account for the $20 million that Congress has allocated to the department for fighting CCD in the last two years.
"This is a real mystery right now," said Dr. Gabriela Chavarria, director of NRDC's Science Center. "EPA needs to help shed some light so that researchers can get to work on this problem. This isn't just an issue for farmers -- this is an issue that concerns us all. Just try to imagine a pizza without the contribution of bees! No tomatoes. No cheese. No peppers. If you eat apples, cucumbers, broccoli, onions, squash, carrots, avocados, or cherries, you need to be concerned."
Chavarria has spent more than 20 years studying bees, and has published a number of academic papers on the taxonomy, behavior and distribution of native bees.
NRDC filed the lawsuit today in federal court in Washington DC. In documents to be filed next month, NRDC will ask for a court order directing EPA to disclose its information about pesticides and bee toxicity.
More information on CCD can be found at NRDC's www.BeeSafe.org web site.
The Natural Resources Defense Council is a national, nonprofit organization of scientists, lawyers and environmental specialists dedicated to protecting public health and the environment. Founded in 1970, NRDC has 1.2 million members and online activists, served from offices in New York, Washington, Chicago, Los Angeles, San Francisco and Beijing.
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Thu, August 28, 2008 - 12:04 PMearly EPA research is indicating that the bee workforce is shifting to the males due to stay at home moms demanding child rearing duties once again.
The males are simply refusing to ask for directions when lost, also one of the reasons why it takes 65 million sperm to fertilize one egg.
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Tue, September 2, 2008 - 5:27 AMTHIS - viewzone.com/lostbees.bayer.html
linked with another post I will do shortly, watch out for the horrific links and the bigger picture.
Quote from the above link:
"Bayer, who make the pesticide, and Monsanto, who make the adhesive, have patented the method of coating their proprietary seeds with clothianidin, which are now growing all over the globe."
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Seeds of Destruction
Tue, September 2, 2008 - 5:31 AM
"// "Doomsday Seed Vault" in the Arctic
Bill Gates, Rockefeller and the GMO giants know something we don’t"
by F. William Engdahl
// .................. "The seed bank is being built inside a mountain on Spitsbergen Island near the small village of Longyearbyen. It’s almost ready for ‘business’ according to their releases. The bank will have dual blast-proof doors with motion sensors, two airlocks, and walls of steel-reinforced concrete one meter thick. It will contain up to three million different varieties of seeds from the entire world, ‘so that crop diversity can be conserved for the future,’ according to the Norwegian government. Seeds will be specially wrapped to exclude moisture. There will be no full-time staff, but the vault's relative inaccessibility will facilitate monitoring any possible human activity.
Did we miss something here? Their press release stated, ‘so that crop diversity can be conserved for the future.’ What future do the seed bank’s sponsors foresee, that would threaten the global availability of current seeds, almost all of which are already well protected in designated seed banks around the world?
Anytime Bill Gates, the Rockefeller Foundation, Monsanto and Syngenta get together on a common project, it’s worth digging a bit deeper behind the rocks on Spitsbergen. When we do we find some fascinating things.
The first notable point is who is sponsoring the doomsday seed vault. Here joining the Norwegians are, as noted, the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation; the US agribusiness giant DuPont/Pioneer Hi-Bred, one of the world’s largest owners of patented genetically-modified (GMO) plant seeds and related agrichemicals; Syngenta, the Swiss-based major GMO seed and agrichemicals company through its Syngenta Foundation; the Rockefeller Foundation, the private group who created the “gene revolution with over $100 million of seed money since the 1970’s; CGIAR, the global network created by the Rockefeller Foundation to promote its ideal of genetic purity through agriculture change."
READ MORE : www.globalresearch.ca/index.php
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=>=>=>=>=>=> now, are You beginning to see??? what is told to us, by the bees ...
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