Hating Hilary

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U.K.'s New Statesman: America is experiencing McCarthyism-like derangement
Submitted by BoGardiner on Thu, 2008-05-22 22:06. Department of Bingo!

Andrew Stephen, U.S. Editor of the U.K.’s venerable left-wing magazine, New Statesman, wrote today:

“Hating Hillary”

History, I suspect, will look back on the past six months as an example of America going through one of its collectively deranged episodes - rather like Prohibition from 1920-33, or McCarthyism some 30 years later. This time it is gloating, unshackled sexism of the ugliest kind. It has been shamelessly peddled by the US media, which - sooner rather than later, I fear - will have to account for their sins. The chief victim has been Senator Hillary Clinton, but the ramifications could be hugely harmful for America and the world.

…Hillary Clinton (along with her husband) is being universally depicted as a loathsome racist and negative campaigner, not so much because of anything she has said or done, but because the overwhelmingly pro-Obama media - consciously or unconsciously - are following the agenda of Senator Barack Obama and his chief strategist, David Axelrod, to tear to pieces the first serious female US presidential candidate in history.

…Obama and Axelrod have achieved their objectives: to belittle Hillary Clinton and to manoeuvre the ever-pliant media into depicting every political criticism she makes against Obama as racist in intent.

…the punditocracy may have landed the Democrats with perhaps the least qualified presidential nominee ever…
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Hating Hilary

www.newstatesman.com/200805220024
Andrew Stephen
Published 22 May 2008

Gloating, unshackled sexism of the ugliest kind has been shamelessly peddled by the US media, which - sooner rather than later, I fear - will have to account for their sins



History, I suspect, will look back on the past six months as an example of America going through one of its collectively deranged episodes - rather like Prohibition from 1920-33, or McCarthyism some 30 years later. This time it is gloating, unshackled sexism of the ugliest kind. It has been shamelessly peddled by the US media, which - sooner rather than later, I fear - will have to account for their sins. The chief victim has been Senator Hillary Clinton, but the ramifications could be hugely harmful for America and the world.

I am no particular fan of Clinton. Nor, I think, would friends and colleagues accuse me of being racist. But it is quite inconceivable that any leading male presidential candidate would be treated with such hatred and scorn as Clinton has been. What other senator and serious White House contender would be likened by National Public Radio's political editor, Ken Rudin, to the demoniac, knife-wielding stalker played by Glenn Close in Fatal Attraction? Or described as "a fucking whore" by Randi Rhodes, one of the foremost personalities of the supposedly liberal Air America? Would Carl Bernstein (of Woodward and Bernstein fame) ever publicly declare his disgust about a male candidate's "thick ankles"? Could anybody have envisaged that a website set up specifically to oppose any other candidate would be called Citizens United Not Timid? (We do not need an acronym for that.)

I will come to the reasons why I fear such unabashed misogyny in the US media could lead, ironically, to dreadful racial unrest. "All men are created equal," Thomas Jefferson famously proclaimed in 1776. That equality, though, was not extended to women, who did not even get the vote until 1920, two years after (some) British women. The US still has less gender equality in politics than Britain, too. Just 16 of America's 100 US senators are women and the ratio in the House (71 out of 435) is much the same. It is nonetheless pointless to argue whether sexism or racism is the greater evil: America has a peculiarly wicked record of racist subjugation, which has resulted in its racism being driven deep underground. It festers there, ready to explode again in some unpredictable way.

To compensate meantime, I suspect, sexism has been allowed to take its place as a form of discrimination that is now openly acceptable. "How do we beat the bitch?" a woman asked Senator John McCain, this year's Republican presidential nominee, at a Republican rally last November. To his shame, McCain did not rebuke the questioner but joined in the laughter. Had his supporter asked "How do we beat the nigger?" and McCain reacted in the same way, however, his presidential hopes would deservedly have gone up in smoke. "Iron my shirt," is considered amusing heckling of Clinton. "Shine my shoes," rightly, would be hideously unacceptable if yelled at Obama.

Evidence to the contrary notwithstanding, American men like to delude themselves that they are the most macho in the world. It is simply unthinkable, therefore, for most of them to face the prospect of having a woman as their leader. The massed ranks of male pundits gleefully pronounced that Clinton had lost the battle with Obama immediately after the North Carolina and Indiana primaries, despite past precedents that strong second-place candidates (like Ronald Reagan in his first, ultimately unsuccessful campaign in 1976; like Ted Kennedy, Gary Hart, Jesse Jackson and Jerry Brown) continue their campaigns until the end of the primary season and, in most cases, all the way to the party convention.

None of these male candidates had a premature political obituary written in the way that Hillary Clinton's has been, or was subjected to such righteous outrage over refusing to quiesce and withdraw obediently from what, in this case, has always been a knife-edge race. Nor was any of them anything like as close to his rivals as Clinton now is to Obama.

The media, of course, are just reflecting America's would-be macho culture. I cannot think of any television network or major newspaper that is not guilty of blatant sexism - the British media, naturally, reflexively follow their American counterparts - but probably the worst offender is the NBC/MSNBC network, which has what one prominent Clinton activist describes as "its nightly horror shows". Tim Russert, the network's chief political sage, was dancing on Clinton's political grave before the votes in North Carolina and Indiana had even been fully counted - let alone those of the six contests to come, the undeclared super-delegates, or the disputed states of Florida and Michigan.

The unashamed sexism of this giant network alone is stupendous. Its superstar commentator Chris Matthews referred to Clinton as a "she-devil". His colleague Tucker Carlson casually observed that Clinton "feels castrating, overbearing and scary . . . When she comes on television, I involuntarily cross my legs." This and similar abuse, I need hardly point out, says far more about the men involved than their target.

Knives out

But never before have the US media taken it upon themselves to proclaim the victor before the primary contests are over or the choice of all the super-delegates is known, and the result was that the media's tidal wave of sexism became self-fulfilling: Americans like to back winners, and polls immediately showed dramatic surges of support for Obama. A few brave souls had foreseen the merciless media campaign: "The press will savage her no matter what," predicted the Washington Post's national political correspondent, Dana Milbank, last December. "They really have their knives out for her, there's no question about it."

Polling organisations such as Gallup told us months ago that Americans will more readily accept a black male president than a female one, and a more recent CNN/Essence magazine/ Opinion Research poll found last month that 76 per cent think America is ready for a black man as president, but only 63 per cent believe the same of a woman.

"The image of charismatic leadership at the top has been and continues to be a man," says Ruth Mandel of Rutgers University. "We don't have an image, we don't have a historical memory of a woman who has achieved that feat."

Studies here have repeatedly shown that women are seen as ambitious and capable, or likeable - but rarely both. "Gender stereotypes trump race stereotypes in every social science test," says Alice Eagley, a psychology professor at Northwestern University. A distinguished academic undertaking a major study of coverage of the 2008 election, Professor Marion Just of Wellesley College - one of the "seven sisters" colleges founded because women were barred from the Ivy Leagues and which, coincidentally, Hillary Clinton herself attended - tells me that what is most striking to her is that the most repeated description of Senator Clinton is "cool and calculating".

This, she says, would never be said of a male candidate - because any politician making a serious bid for the White House has, by definition, to be cool and calculating. Hillary Clinton, a successful senator for New York who was re-elected for a second term by a wide margin in 2006 - and who has been a political activist since she campaigned against the Vietnam War and served as a lawyer on the congressional staff seeking to impeach President Nixon - has been treated throughout the 2008 campaign as a mere appendage of her husband, never as a heavyweight politician whose career trajectory (as an accomplished lawyer and professional advocate for equality among children, for example) is markedly more impressive than those of the typical middle-aged male senator.

Rarely is she depicted as an intellectually formidable politician in her own right (is that what terrifies oafs like Matthews and Carlson?). Rather, she is the junior member of "Billary", the derisive nickname coined by the media for herself and her husband. Obama's opponent is thus not one of the two US senators for New York, but some amorphous creature called "the Clintons", an aphorism that stands for amorality and sleaze. Open season has been declared on Bill Clinton, who is now reviled by the media every bit as much as Nixon ever was.

Here we come to the crunch. Hillary Clinton (along with her husband) is being universally depicted as a loathsome racist and negative campaigner, not so much because of anything she has said or done, but because the overwhelmingly pro-Obama media - consciously or unconsciously - are following the agenda of Senator Barack Obama and his chief strategist, David Axelrod, to tear to pieces the first serious female US presidential candidate in history.

"What's particularly saddening," says Paul Krugman, professor of economics and international affairs at Princeton and a rare dissenting voice from the left as a columnist in the New York Times, "is the way many Obama supporters seem happy with the . . . way pundits and some news organisations treat any action or statement by the Clintons, no matter how innocuous, as proof of evil intent." Despite widespread reporting to the contrary, Krugman believes that most of the "venom" in the campaign "is coming from supporters of Obama".

But Obama himself prepared the ground by making the first gratuitous personal attack of the campaign during the televised Congressional Black Caucus Institute debate in South Carolina on 21 January, although virtually every follower of the media coverage now assumes that it was Clinton who started the negative attacks. Following routine political sniping from her about supposedly admiring comments Obama had made about Ronald Reagan, Obama suddenly turned on Clinton and stared intimidatingly at her. "While I was working in the streets," he scolded her, ". . . you were a corporate lawyer sitting on the board of Wal-Mart." Then, cleverly linking her inextricably in the public consciousness with her husband, he added: "I can't tell who I'm running against sometimes."

One of his female staff then distributed a confidential memo to carefully selected journalists which alleged that a vaguely clumsy comment Hillary Clinton had made about Martin Luther King ("Dr King's dream began to be realised when President Lyndon Johnson passed the Civil Rights Act of 1964") and a reference her husband had made in passing to Nelson Mandela ("I've been blessed in my life to know some of the greatest figures of the last hundred years . . . but if I had to pick one person whom I know would never blink, who would never turn back, who would make great decisions . . . I would pick Hillary") were deliberate racial taunts.

Another female staffer, Candice Tolliver - whose job it is to promote Obama to African Americans - then weighed in publicly, claiming that "a cross-section of voters are alarmed at the tenor of some of these statements" and saying: "Folks are beginning to wonder: Is this an isolated situation, or is there something bigger behind all of this?" That was game, set and match: the Clintons were racists, an impression sealed when Bill Clinton later compared Obama's victory in South Carolina to those of Jesse Jackson in 1984 and 1988 (even though Jackson himself, an Obama supporter, subsequently declared Clinton's remarks to be entirely inoffensive).

The pincer movement, in fact, could have come straight from a textbook on how to wreck a woman's presi dential election campaign: smear her whole persona first, and then link her with her angry, red-faced husband. The public Obama, characteristically, pronounced himself "unhappy" with the vilification carried out so methodically by his staff, but it worked like magic: Hillary Clinton's approval ratings among African Americans plummeted from above 80 per cent to barely 7 per cent in a matter of days, and have hovered there since.

I suspect that, as a result, she will never be able entirely to shake off the "racist" tag. "African-American super-delegates [who are supporting Clinton] are being targeted, harassed and threatened," says one of them, Representative Emanuel Cleaver. "This is the politics of the 1950s." Obama and Axelrod have achieved their objectives: to belittle Hillary Clinton and to manoeuvre the ever-pliant media into depicting every political criticism she makes against Obama as racist in intent.

The danger is that, in their headlong rush to stop the first major female candidate (aka "Hildebeast" and "Hitlery") from becoming president, the punditocracy may have landed the Democrats with perhaps the least qualified presidential nominee ever. But that creeping realisation has probably come too late, and many of the Democratic super-delegates now fear there would be widespread outrage and increased racial tension if they thwart the first biracial presidential hopeful in US history.

But will Obama live up to the hype? That, I fear, may not happen: he is a deeply flawed candidate. Rampant sexism may have triumphed only to make way for racism to rear its gruesome head in America yet again. By election day on 4 November, I suspect, the US media and their would-be-macho commentators may have a lot of soul-searching to do.

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    Re: Hating Hilary

    Thu, May 22, 2008 - 10:29 PM


    <<which - sooner rather than later, I fear - will have to account for their sins>>

    ahem. i wish i could share the author's optimism.
    • Re: Hating Hilary

      Thu, May 22, 2008 - 10:37 PM
      As we all know, its much more difficult for white females to hold positions of power in Amerikkka than black males. Historically, black males are one of the most privileged groups.
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        Re: Hating Hilary

        Thu, May 22, 2008 - 11:08 PM

        fyi, black males got the right to vote 50 (fifty!!) years before black (or white, or yellow, or.... f*cking *purple*) WOMEN in the US.

        it's not all about the color of your skin, no matter what you choose to believe.
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          Re: Hating Hilary

          Thu, May 22, 2008 - 11:11 PM

          oh. that was in response to cDub's comment - and i'm off to bed.

          i'll catch up with you guys tomorrow, ok?
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            Re: Hating Hilary

            Sat, May 24, 2008 - 5:37 AM
            how many women were lynched for voting. . . ?
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            • Re: Hating Hilary

              Sat, May 24, 2008 - 5:22 PM
              >> how many women were lynched for voting. . . ? <<

              It is estimated that there were nearly 5,000 victims of lynching from 1882 to 1955.

              It is estimated that over 1,000 women are murdered by their spouses every year.

              Contests to see who is more oppressed are stupid.

              "As long as there is a lower class, I am in it. As long as there is a criminal element, I am of it. As long as there is one soul in prison, I am not free."
              Eugene V. Debs
        • Re: Hating Hilary

          Thu, May 22, 2008 - 11:24 PM
          <fyi, black males got the right to vote 50 (fifty!!) years before black (or white, or yellow, or.... f*cking *purple*) WOMEN in the US.

          it's not all about the color of your skin, no matter what you choose to believe. >

          Oh come on Inna, that's a gross oversimplification and you're smart enough to know it. Despite the 14th amendment, there were large sections of the nation were blacks of BOTH genders were kept from voting for decades after the 19th amendment. That's why the Voting Rights Act of 1965 was needed, almost a century after the 14th Amendment theoretically gave blacks the right to vote and almost fifty years after (white) women gained the rght to vote thoughout the country - women had been able to vote in some states before then, you know, just like blacks were able to vote in some states before the civil rights era.

          Oh, and let us not forget that blacks are STILL disenfranchised to a far greater extent than women. Dubya never would have squeeked through Florida if if Kathleen Harris (white woman, cough, cough) hadn't illegally stricken so many blacks and latinos from the Florida voter rolls.
        • Re: Hating Hilary

          Fri, May 23, 2008 - 12:30 AM
          Inna, I'm not even going to bother showing the difference in privilege between blacks and white females. Sexism is a factor but black men were being burned alive by mobs for even glancing at a white woman. The subconscious racial privilege of elite white females like Hillary Clinton is enormous.

          You know very little about US history.
          • Re: Hating Hilary

            Fri, May 23, 2008 - 1:07 AM
            We have lived in a sexist society where the male head of house was thought to represent the women and children of that household. Thats pretty fucked up.

            However, the servitude of women cannot be considered equal to the servitude of African slaves. Women in our history were also seen as being the property of the head of house along with children, but the treatment was generally a lot better. Women ate the same fine foods their husbands ate assuming they had money to afford it. African slaves ate the animal scraps that their masters would not eat. White women were totally dependent on their husbands for an honest livelihood, but the quality of life was vastly superior to that of a plantation slave. Picking cotton in chain gangs and being physically wiped by white slave masters, having your children stolen from you and sold as a commodity or having your family split up and sold to different slave masters is a lot more cruel that the way society treated its white women, which was also terrible.

            The abolition of slavery was something of a sick joke. Legal slavery was replaced with wage slavery. Freed slaves found themselves starving to death without land to practice their developed skills in the field of agriculture. Generally, they went right back to doing the same jobs they did when they were still slaves. Otherwise they attempted to find work in the "progressive north" and realized those fuckers were just as racist and wouldnt hire them. They ended up being share croppers who still gave most of their profits to white land owners. It wasnt until recently that things have even begun to balance out (on the working poor level, obviously not in the upper classes).

            White women have been oppressed as well, but despite dependency on their husbands white women still enjoyed a vastly superior quality of life and freedom.
      • Re: Hating Hilary

        Fri, May 23, 2008 - 1:43 AM
        lol

        poor hillary ..just a victim of circumstances..(where are those files again...)

        she comes with a lot of baggage...to be generous.
    • Re: Hating Hilary

      Thu, May 22, 2008 - 10:41 PM
      i doubt it is sexism or hillary...........i think people do not want a second clinton after two shrubsters.
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        Re: Hating Hilary

        Thu, May 22, 2008 - 10:45 PM
        Simple misongyny is, er, simplistic. This is a LONG narrative, starting with Bill, Hil's reaction to his transgressions, her own ...well, Inna still hasn't weighed in on my sense of how she's placed herself in this narrative.

        But 'derangement'? The author overstates.
      • Re: Hating Hilary

        Sat, May 24, 2008 - 4:29 AM
        >>>>>As we all know, its much more difficult for white females to hold positions of power in Amerikkka than black males. Historically, black males are one of the most privileged groups.<<<<<<


        I dont think so.

        Do research in this thread about the "Atlanta courthouse killings " www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/03/...nta.shooting/ I made comments about and you will have an idea what I am posting about.



        >>>>i doubt it is sexism or hillary...........i think people do not want a second clinton after two shrubsters.<<<<<


        I agree about the sexism but I beg to differ on the "tired of the Clinton's" front.

        fact of the matter is, Hillary has made several if not many fatal mistakes in her career.

        For starters, voting for the war. That's number one.

        It insinuates that she got suckered.
  • Re: Hating Hilary

    Thu, May 22, 2008 - 10:50 PM
    I can only speak for myself, as a one-time Hillary supporter, that it wasn't sexism that decided it form me, but Hillary's own petty and ruthless behavior that completely turned me off to what I assumed and hoped would be the first female president of the US. To say that she and Bill did nothing to deserve losing is simply being blind to their lack of ethics and integrity, IMO. Blind ambition is not what the country needs at this point.
    • Re: Hating Hilary

      Thu, May 22, 2008 - 10:53 PM
      Im sure that sexism plays a factor as race does, but is it the deciding factor in a process? I dont think that many people actually hate hillary. I think that many people feel she has a greed for power that will override her loyalty to her own party and best interest of the country.
    • Re: Hating Hilary

      Thu, May 22, 2008 - 10:54 PM
      I hate Hilary. I also hate Bush, and dont totally trust Obama.

      There are many women I would vote for, but I will never vote for another Clinton or Bush.

      The comparison to McCarthyism is just stupid. Nobody is being blacklisted from finding work or being thrown in jail for charges of supporting Hilary. Thats an insult to people whose lives have been ruined by real McCarthyism. The comparison to prohibition also does not make any sense. Nobody is going to jail for supporting Hilary at underground night clubs.

      There are good reasons for hating Hilary as a person that have only to do with her personality and voting record, not her gender.
  • Re: Hating Hilary

    Thu, May 22, 2008 - 11:04 PM
    Oh please, this is just silly. First, comparing this to McCarthy is not unlike Limbaugh comparing feminsts to Nazis - ridiculous, and totally insulting to anyone who actually suffered under McCartrhyism. Anyone fired or blacklisted for prefferring Clinton to Obama? No, don't think so, so Andrew Stephen should really shut the fuck up.

    People are "deranged" for preferring Obama to Clinton and thinking Clinton has behaved badly during the campaign? Again, fuck you Herr Stephen and anyone who believes that shit. Yes, Clinton has been subject ot sexist attacks by the mainstream media, but Obama has also been subject to racist ones. And as far as campaigns go, the Clintons have said a lot of shit that straddled the border of racism in a really ugly way. while I've seen NOTHING that resembled any kind of sexist attack on Clinton coming from his O(bama or his campaign. Inna or any other Clinton supporter, I challenge you to prove me wrong.

    Outside the tiny minority of the blogosphere, I've seen nothing that resembled any kind of Hillary hate among people voting in the Democratic primary, though there are plenty of folks who are pissed off at her actions. Meanwhile, we've seen tons of videos and reporting where people declare they won't vote for Obama becuase he's black, or they think he's a Muslim, or other totally lame, bigoted reasons. Has anyone seen anything equivalent among regular voters who prefer Obama to Clinton - I don't think so.

    Poll after poll shows that more Clinton supporters would rather vote for McCain than Obama than Obama supporters would vote for McCain over Clinton - some folks like Corny may say that's a reason to want Clinton to be the nominee, I just think it's evidence that Clinton attracts far more fucked up morons than Obama does. If there's any kind of 'derangement' going on here, Clinton definitely attracts the larger share.

    And by the way, there IS a serious cult of Hillary-hate out there, and it's not among the Obama supporters. You'll find it among the Limbaugh fans, the Falwell cultists, the ones who think Hillary killed Vince Foster, is a secret lesbian witch atheist, whatever. And guess what, they're the ones who arte cheering on Hillary Clinton now. Do you think it's because Limbaugh and Bill Kristol have had a change of heart? No, it's because they know she'll be easier to beat in the fall.

    Inna, I've responed to your pro-Clinton posts many times and asked for response without ever getting one. How about this time?
    • Re: Hating Hilary

      Fri, May 23, 2008 - 5:22 PM
      <Inna, I've responed to your pro-Clinton posts many times and asked for response without ever getting one. How about this time? >

      Just in case this got missed in the commotion of Clinton's RFK slip. You say you want real discussion instead of hysteria and attacks, so how about it?
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        Re: Hating Hilary

        Fri, May 23, 2008 - 7:06 PM

        so, what's your question, Kelly?


        btw - in case if it's not obvious for some reason - i am not the author of the article in the original post, and the views expressed in the article do not necessarily reflect mine.

        as for my position on Clinton, i stated it time and time and time again. i'm not her supporter and i see too many problems with her, but i do prefer her over Obama and i am stunned by the way she is treated by the media and by OFB (Obama Fan Base).
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          Re: Hating Hilary

          Fri, May 23, 2008 - 10:07 PM
          Inna, I too have posted a hate-free critique of Hillary twice and asked you respond three times and...de nada.
        • Re: Hating Hilary

          Sat, May 24, 2008 - 12:01 AM
          >i'm not her supporter

          Oh come on.
          • Re: Hating Hilary

            Sat, May 24, 2008 - 4:07 AM
            <>i'm not her supporter

            <Oh come on.>

            Stop reacting and start actually THINKING.

            There's a difference between supporting her MORE than Obama and supporting her. Even a child could get that simple idea. So, her statements are not necessarily support for Hillary, but perhaps reasons why she's better in some cases than Obama? That's like saying I'd rather get shot in the leg than in the face - I mean, I am not supporting my getting shot, but IF I had to choose.....
  • Drivel

    Fri, May 23, 2008 - 1:56 AM
    What that article was. Drivel.

    It's as though you lost your mind, your differentiative faculties. You post this rabid partisan spin that has little relation to factual rationality.

    And those long months of the media endlessly propagating clinton's campaign spin of her uber-organized invincible unstoppable wallowing in money juggernaut of a candidacy? Never happened? Cause i sure remember it. I remember getting SICK of hearing it endlessly repeated by the msm. The INEVITABLE democratic candidate. Right up til a month before the Iowa caucus when the poll numbers started going south for her. UNTIL then it was all Hillary leading by 30 to 40 points EVERYWHERE. How COULD she possibly be stopped?

    RIght, the media singled her out and beat her up because she was a woman and a Clinton.

    Christ but I'm getting sick of the hillbot parrots, as I got sick of the dittohead republican sheepbots and for the same reason. They became blind memoryless partisan talking point parrots without a mind to call their own.

    THis thread article is a classic ecample. And Inna's REFUSAL to actually debate the points raised on their merits and instead toss out reactive fluff is exactly what the righties on this tribe do.

    It's sickening.





    • Re: Drivel

      Fri, May 23, 2008 - 3:10 AM
      nna, I'm not even going to bother showing the difference in privilege between blacks and white females. Sexism is a factor but black men were being burned alive by mobs for even glancing at a white woman. The subconscious racial privilege of elite white females like Hillary Clinton is enormous.

      hillary...who grew up in an privileged family had no need to fight for her right as female........her" feminism" is rooted not out of necessity...but more out of ( i guess) boredom or because it was " hip and groovy".

  • Re: Hating Hilary

    Fri, May 23, 2008 - 3:45 AM
    On average, three women are murdered each day in the US in their own homes by their spouses.

    It is only reasonable for Obama's supporters, who, at least if they agree with Obama's "race speech", vastly underestimate the depth and breadth of racism in the US, should also dismiss the overall importance of sexism.
    • Re: Hating Hilary

      Fri, May 23, 2008 - 4:00 AM
      <On average, three women are murdered each day in the US in their own homes by their spouses.>

      Obviously, this is no near as tragic as Hillary being denied the Democratic Nomination.

      </sarcasm>.
    • Re: Hating Hilary

      Fri, May 23, 2008 - 4:02 AM
      I certainly did not dismiss sexism if you read what I wrote above. Racism and sexism are both pretty serious problems. However, white people of both sexes have had it easier than black people of either sex historically in the United States.

      Nobody however has had it has hard as the native Americans.
  • Re: Hating Hilary

    Fri, May 23, 2008 - 3:55 AM
    The Clintons are and always have been pathological in their victim mentality. This is why people were sick of them by the end of Billy-Jeff's term. For them, it's all part of a vast conspiracy and anybody who criticizes them is a part of that conspiracy.

    This article demonstrates how Clinton supporters are guilty of doing exactly what they accuse Obama supporters of doing, with regards to sex instead of race. It's pure cynicism.
    • Voters just don't trust Hillary

      Fri, May 23, 2008 - 4:50 AM
      The TimesMay 23, 2008

      There's no Vast Misogynist Conspiracy against Senator Clinton, she's simply not suitableGerard Baker

      Is Hillary Clinton the victim of a Vast Misogynist Conspiracy? Have her efforts to breach the ultimate glass ceiling in the world's labour market been destroyed - as in the end we're told all women's efforts inevitably are destroyed - by a lethal combination of sneering chauvinism and locker-room clubbiness?

      To the cynics this US presidential election was always going to be a race to the bottom between racism and sexism. As the Democratic party continues to writhe through the final agonies of Senator Clinton's collapsing ambitions, her people think they know the real winner. They are muttering angrily that she is the most high-profile victim yet of sexual discrimination in the workplace. A favourite theme among them now is that Mrs Clinton is a kind of sacrificial figure: the woman who so obviously should have won the presidency but was denied by woman-hatred, the one whose efforts were not enough to conquer the legions of male bigots but whose sacrifice has made it possible for future women to scale the mountaintop. Henceforth, as it were, all generations shall call her blessed.

      Before ascribing this sentiment to a particularly powerful case of sore loser syndrome, we ought to acknowledge that it surely has a little merit. There are things that are said all the time about Mrs Clinton's manner, her speaking style, assumptions that are made about her motivations, even the vocabulary in which she is described, that are, shall we say, certainly gender-specific. The cultural allusions played out with tired regularity to describe her campaigning style conjure the worst female images that lurk in the darkest corners of the male brain. She's Lady Macbeth and The White Queen and Glenn Close in Fatal Attraction rolled into one.

      And yet, are we truly expected to believe this is why Democratic voters have rejected her? I've no doubt that there are still some men who physically recoil at the thought of a woman in a powerful job but do people really think that there were not other - good - reasons for denying Senator Clinton her prize?

      In the end the beauty of the “We only lost because people are sexist/racist/homophobic/stupid” argument is that it can't really be rebutted. The only way to deal with it is to explain patiently and with great understanding that there were valid reasons why millions of intelligent, thoughtful and tolerant Americans decided to run a million miles from the idea that this woman - this woman - should become the most powerful person on the planet.

      more...
      www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/com...7286.ece
  • Re: Hating Hilary

    Fri, May 23, 2008 - 10:48 AM

    I don't find most of the hatred of Hillary to be any more sexist than much of the hatred of Ann Coulter.

    If you are mean and vicious, some people are going to hate you.

    As for Tucker Carlson making some sexist comments. Sure; he's an asshole.
  • Re: Hating Hilary

    Sat, May 24, 2008 - 1:45 PM
    What a load of nonsense. Polling data show that educated and professional women favor Obama over Hillary. Is that because they hate Hillary? Is it because they are exhibiting some kind of sexism Stockholm syndrome. I doubt it.

    I cannot dispute, however, that Hillary has major female support among the Ma Kettle crowd.
    • Re: Hating Hilary

      Sat, May 24, 2008 - 2:04 PM
      The "hating *" tactic is right out of stalinist russia. Same thing as "hating america" or "hating bush". now its "hating hillary".

      No i don't hate hillary i pity her. She's so consumed with ambition and avarice. So sad.
      • Re: Hating Hilary

        Sat, May 24, 2008 - 5:29 PM
        read the rolling stone recent article about the "Queen of Pork" if you want info on what i dont like about her

        shes an inside politican well sucked into the corporate lobbiest payoff system
        • Re: Hating Hilary

          Sat, May 24, 2008 - 5:37 PM
          yeah but come on thats just the game. she's no different from the rest. she's a better bureaucratic knife fighter due to her cutthroat nature.

          the problem is nobody likes her. i was just talking to someone who was a restaurant worker in ny right around the time she was first running for senate who said clinton gave my friend the full important-person brushoff smirk when she spoke to clinton. like, clinton came off the elevator really chewing one of her aides out, then the person greets the part and hillary dissed her bigtime. then the server was in tears later also. i guess hillary is no different from a lot of powerful people, they are typically "major league assholes" to quote two world-class assholes (dubya and bigtime).

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