Halliburton detention camp contract: cause for alarm?

topic posted Sat, February 4, 2006 - 2:29 PM by  Jimbo
Halliburton now has a $385 million contract to build detention centers for immigrants and for other emergency situations. This is just for immigrants and victims of bird flu, right? Not for protesters. Not for us good, God-fearing Americans, right?

Congressman Henry Waxman says he finds this contract "worrisome" because Halliburton habitually rips off the government with their no-bid deals. But Waxman doesn't seem to be worried about what worries me, viz, that the Bush administration is now openly building concentration camps on U.S. soil that can be used for anything they deem to constitute an "emergency."

Is this like that sci-fi flick where the aliens say they just want to have us over for dinner? What if a whole lot of us started marching in the streets? Personally, I think the immigrant angle is total bullshit. You be the judge:

Halliburton Subsidiary Gets Contract to Add Temporary Immigration Detention Centers
New York Times
February 4, 2006

WASHINGTON, Feb. 3 — The Army Corps of Engineers has awarded a contract worth up to $385 million for building temporary immigration detention centers to Kellogg Brown & Root, the Halliburton subsidiary that has been criticized for overcharging the Pentagon for its work in Iraq.

KBR would build the centers for the Homeland Security Department for an unexpected influx of immigrants, to house people in the event of a natural disaster or for new programs that require additional detention space, company executives said. KBR, which announced the contract last month, had a similar contract with immigration agencies from 2000 to last year.

The contract with the Corps of Engineers runs one year, with four optional one-year extensions. Officials of the corps said that they had solicited bids and that KBR was the lone responder.

A spokeswoman for Immigration and Customs Enforcement, Jamie Zuieback, said KBR would build the centers only in an emergency like the one when thousands of Cubans floated on rafts to the United States. She emphasized that the centers might never be built if such an emergency did not arise.

"It's the type of contract that could be used in some kind of mass migration," Ms. Zuieback said.

A spokesman for the corps, Clayton Church, said that the centers could be at unused military sites or temporary structures and that each one would hold up to 5,000 people.

"When there's a large influx of people into the United States, how are we going to feed, house and protect them?" Mr. Church asked. "That's why these kinds of contracts are there."

Mr. Church said that KBR did not end up creating immigration centers under its previous contract, but that it did build temporary shelters for Hurricane Katrina evacuees.

Federal auditors rebuked the company for unsubstantiated billing in its Iraq reconstruction contracts, and it has been criticized because of accusations that Halliburton, led by Dick Cheney before he became vice president, was aided by connections in obtaining contracts. Halliburton executives denied that they charged excessively for the work in Iraq.

Mr. Church said concerns about the Iraq contracts did not affect the awarding of the new contract.

Representative Henry A. Waxman, Democrat of California, who has monitored the company, called the contract worrisome.

"With Halliburton's ever expanding track record of overcharging, it's hard to believe that the administration has decided to entrust Halliburton with even more taxpayer dollars," Mr. Waxman said. "With each new contract, the need for real oversight grows."

In recent months, the Homeland Security Department has promised to increase bed space in its detention centers to hold thousands of illegal immigrants awaiting deportation. In the first quarter of the 2006 fiscal year, nearly 60 percent of the illegal immigrants apprehended from countries other than Mexico were released on their own recognizance.

Domestic security officials have promised to end the releases by increasing the number of detention beds. Last week, domestic security officials announced that they would expand detaining and swiftly deporting illegal immigrants to include those seized near the Canadian border.

Advocates for immigrants said they feared that the new contract was another indication that the government planned to expand the detention of illegal immigrants, including those seeking asylum.

"It's pretty obvious that the intent of the government is to detain more and more people and to expedite their removal," said Cheryl Little, executive director of the Florida Immigrant Advocacy Center in Miami.

Ms. Zuieback said the KBR contract was not intended for that.

"It's not part of any day-to-day enforcement," she said.

She added that she could not provide additional information about the company's statement that the contract was also meant to support the rapid development of new programs.

Halliburton executives, who announced the contract last week, said they were pleased.

"We are especially gratified to be awarded this contract," an executive vice president, Bruce Stanski, said in a statement, "because it builds on our extremely strong track record in the arena of emergency management support."
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  • C
    offline 32
    native americans call everybody alls "immigrant"
    think about
    this "campus" is maybe for you !
    • Unsu...
      << build detention centers...>>

      That's just phase one. How much do you want to bet that phase two is changing the word "build" to "run"?
      • <...How much do you want to bet that phase two is changing the word "build" to "run"?...>

        Hah! I don't do sucker bets!

        You hit THAT nail square on the head, sista!
        • Nobody has mentioned Nazi yet so the thread is still alive but I've got an unholy desire to drive a stake through the heart of this sucker.

          We all know that the parallels between recent government activity and the political climate in a little country in Europe have been taking some remarkable parallels starting with the burning of the Reichstag down to the language of Homeland Security. Iran is the modern version of Poland and the building that halliburton is embarking on can only be the creation of the modern version of the Warsaw Ghetto.

          I may have secured myself a top bunk with that little declaration along with an intimate relationship with a german shephard, but I'm finding it a little hard to believe that we can seriously plan for 350 million dollars worth of housing for illegal aliens. I wonder if we'll be allowed to plant flowers along the sidewalks? volley ball? arts and crafts? Will group leaders have little special hats and coats with rainbows sewed to them?

          The preceding statements are for amusement purposes only and I really do believe that the Pittsburg Stealers won the game fair and square.
          • << I'm finding it a little hard to believe that we can seriously plan for 350 million dollars worth of housing for illegal aliens.>>

            You make a good point. Or maybe two of them. First, who are all these illegals? Are they talking about Mexicans? They mentioned Canadians, but why would a Canuck sneak into this fascist dictatorship? Second, $385 million is pretty small potatoes in the overall scheme of things. Maybe this is just a pilot program, a prototype.
  • Alex Jones on the Halliburton camps.

    "In this special free 30 minute video report, Alex Jones documents the movement from quasi-secret preparation for mass internment of American citizens, to the now public declarations that such facilities are being readied an will be used to imprison political subversives and dissidents after the next staged terror attack."

    Camp analysis from :

    Gulags For American Citizens In Final Planning Stages

    Bush administration and US army preparations to target American citizens and intern them in forced labor camps has vastly accelerated in the past month and commentators from all over the political spectrum are sounding the alarm bells that the round-ups may begin soon.

    Once the bane of the media's stereotypical 'tin foil hat wearing' caricatures, concentration camps in America are now serious news and no one is laughing.

    Following the news first given wide attention by this website, that Halliburton subsidiary Kellogg, Brown and Root had been awarded a $385 million dollar contract by Homeland Security to construct detention and processing facilities in the event of a national emergency, the *Alternet website* put together an alarming report that collated all the latest information on plans to initiate internment of political subversives and Muslims after the next major terror attack in the US.

    The article highlighted the disturbing comments of Sen. Lindsey Graham, who encouraged torture supporting Attorney General Alberto Gonzales to target, "Fifth Columnists" Americans who show disloyalty and sympathize with "the enemy," whoever that enemy may be.

    It is important to stress that the historical precedent mirrors exactly what the Halliburton camp deal outlines. Oliver North's Reagan era *Rex 84 plan* proposed rounding up 400,000 refugees, under FEMA, in the event of "uncontrolled population movements" over the Mexican border into the United States.

    The real agenda, just as it is with Halliburton's gulags, was to use the cover of rounding up immigrants and illegal aliens as a smokescreen for targeting political dissidents. From 1967 to 1971 the FBI kept a list of persons to be rounded up as subversive, dubbed the "ADEX" list.

    The current terrorist suspect list was *recently revealed* to contain the names of 325,000 people. The government claimed that only a tiny fraction were American citizens living in America but when compared to the potential terrorist list in the UK, which under section 44 of the terrorism act has ensnared at least 119,000 people, most of them innocent protesters, the number is likely to be far higher. Britain's population is only 60 million compared to the US at 295 million.

    Halliburton, through their KBR subsidiary, is the same company that built most of the major new detention camps in Iraq and Afghanistan. KBR have been *embroiled in a human sex slave trade* that their representatives have lobbied to continue.

    We have a company that has been handed a contract to build prison camps in America that is engaged in trafficking young girls and women. Can this horror movie get any more frightening?

    A much discussed and circulated report, the *Pentagon's Civilian Inmate Labor Program,* has recently been updated and the revision details a "template for developing agreements" between the Army and corrections facilities for the use of civilian inmate labor on Army installations."

    The plan is clearly to swallow up disenfranchised groups likes prisoners and Muslims at first and then extend the policy to include 'Fifth Columnists,' otherwise known as anyone who disagrees with the government or exercises their Constitutional rights.

    Respected author Peter Dale Scott speculated that the "detention centers could be used to detain American citizens if the Bush administration were to declare martial law."

    Daniel Ellsberg, former Special Assistant to Assistant Secretary of Defense, called the plan, "preparation for a roundup after the next 9/11 for Mid-Easterners, Muslims and possibly dissenters. They've already done this on a smaller scale, with the 'special registration' detentions of immigrant men from Muslim countries, and with Guantanamo."

    George Bush has declared himself to be dictator and to have supreme power over and above the limitations of the US Constitution. Bush administration officials like Alberto Gonzales have declared Bush to be *"above the law."* White House advisors are openly discussing the legality of *crushing a child's testicles* as part of the war on terror. Preparation for the internment of thousands of Americans who are 'disloyal' in times of emergency are afoot.

    The next step is clearer than it has ever been. One more large scale staged terror attack in America and the result will be martial law. When even famous singers like Morrissey are being *detained and questioned* by the secret service for "speaking out against the American and British governments," we know we are in a lot of trouble.



    Halliburton Detention Camps For Political Subversives

    In another shining example of modern day corporate fascism, it was *announced recently* that Halliburton subsidiary Kellogg, Brown and Root had been awarded a $385 million dollar contract by Homeland Security to construct detention and processing facilities in the event of a national emergency.

    The language of the preamble to the agreement veils the program with talk of temporary migrant holding centers, but it is made clear that the camps will also be used "as the development of a plan to react to a national emergency."

    Discussions of federal concentration camps is no longer the rhetoric of paranoid Internet conspiracy theorists, it is mainstream news.

    Under the enemy combatant designation anyone at the behest of the US government, even if they are a US citizen, can be *kidnapped and placed in an internment facility*,6.html forever without trial. Jose Padilla, an American citizen, has spent over four years in a Navy brig and is only just now getting a trial.

    In 2002, FEMA sought bids from major real estate and engineering firms to *construct giant internment facilities* in the case of a chemical, biological or nuclear attack or a natural disaster.

    Okanogan County Commissioner Dave Schulz *went public three years ago* with his contention that his county was set to be a location for one of the camps.

    Alex Jones has attended numerous military *urban warfare training drills* across the US where role players were used to simulate arresting American citizens and taking them to internment camps.

    The move towards the database state in the US and the UK, where *every offence is arrestable* and *DNA records of every suspect,* even if later proven innocent, are permanently kept on record, is the only tool necessary to create a master list of 'subversives' that would be subject to internment in a manufactured time of national emergency.

    The national ID card is also intended to be used for this purpose, just as the *Nazis used early IBM computer punch card technology* to catalogue lists of homosexuals, gypsies and Jews before the round-ups began.

    Section 44 of the Terrorism Act in Britain *enables police to obtain name and address details of anyone* they choose, whether they are acting suspiciously or not. Those details remain on a database forever. To date, 119,000 names of political activists have been taken and this is a figure that will skyrocket once the post 7/7 figures are taken into account. At the height of the Iraq war protests, around a million people marched across the country. However, most of these people were taking part in a political protest for the first time and as a one off. Even if we take a figure of half, 500,000 people being politically active in Britain, that means that the government has already registered around a quarter of political activists in the UK.

    In truth the number is probably above half because we are not factoring in those already on MI5 'subversive' lists and those listed after the 7/7 bombings, when the powers were used even more broadly.

    Concurrently in the US, a *new provision in the extended Patriot Act bill*,29...147,00.html would allow Secret Service agents to arrest and jail protesters accused of breaching any security perimeter, even if the President or any other protected official isn't present. The definition of 'free speech zones' can be shifted around loosely and this would open the floodgates for protesters to be grabbed and hauled away in any circumstance at the whim of the Secret Service.

    During the 2004 RNC protests, thousands of New Yorkers were arrested en masse in indiscriminate round-ups and taken to Pier 57 (pictured), a condemned, asbestos poisoned old bus depot, where they were imprisoned without charge for up to 24 hours or more.

    The existence and development of internment camps are solely intended to be used to round up en masse and imprison 'political dissidents' (anyone who isn't prepared to lick government boots) after a simulated tactical nuke or biological attack on a major US or European city.

    • Check out the Oregon SB742, which failed by only *three* votes. This bill proposed to sentence "terrorists" to no less than 25 years (without parole) in a "forest or work camp".

      Terrorism being defined as:
      "the person knowingly plans, participates in or carries out any act that is intended, by at least one of its participants, to disrupt:
      (a) The free and orderly assembly of the inhabitants of the State of Oregon;
      (b) Commerce or the transportation systems of the State of Oregon; or
      (c) The educational or governmental institutions of the State of Oregon or its inhabitants."

      People are actually proposing this stuff, and three votes is too close for my comfort.
      • I'm with you, Abraxas

        I keep wondering when the other shoe is going to drop and someone is actually going to cross the line of all that is reasonable

        and, furthermore, what the reaction from the populace will be

        the support for these types of things already makes me sick to my stomach
        • Unsu...
          "It’s the near future and homosexuality is a crime punishable by internment, torture and death. The news is an owned and operated branch of the government. Art and literature which offends the church-run regime—whose omnipresent tagline is “Strength through unity—unity through faith”--are banished. Dissent against the holy government will get you life imprisonment in secret detention camps, while folks are kept in a perpetual state of terror via yellow-coded terror alerts. Still, there are some things in V for Vendetta that the nuGOP might not like."

          'cept, that was meant as a joke. Now I hope they don't see the film as a best-case-scenario.
        • Thanx for bumping this one Abraxas, 350 million may not sound like a lot in view of most government bloated boondoggling, but trust me on this one, it was an open ended contract, have we heard this before?, and that kind of change still buys a hell of a lot of 2 by fours and plywood.

          or were you expecting thermopane and structolite for that airy, bright interior decore? Perhaps bud vases?

          I believe the only thing stopping that drop foot scenario is the scary free fall approval ratings. It couldn't have happened in germany without the consent and approval of a fairly large percentage of the population.
    • Hotel U.S.A.
      Joseph Richey, AlterNet | March 15 2006

      The government's plans for an 'immigration emergency' include relocation and detention centers -- courtesy of Kellogg, Brown and Root.

      Some time between now and 2010, the U.S. government expects some uninvited guests -- a massive influx of undocumented immigrants. In preparation for their arrival, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) backed the National Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act of 2004, which mandates 40,000 new beds and barracks for foreign-born refugees at four undisclosed locations over the next five years.

      On Jan. 3, 2006, the Army Corps of Engineers (USACE) expanded an existing contract held by Halliburton subsidiary Kellogg, Brown and Root (KBR) and renewed it to accommodate up to 20,000 refugees from environmental and political disasters. A future expansion in 2008 calls for another 20,000 beds.

      Detention of immigrants and other undesirables without charge is nothing new. After the Civil War, many states supplied troops and police to assist private armed guards to arrest and detain striking workers. In 1918, Attorney General Mitchell Palmer and a youthful 24-year-old J. Edgar Hoover launched raids to round up and deport alleged subversives. In the fall of 1934, striking textile workers were interned in camps at Fort MacPherson outside Atlanta, Ga. Congress approved the Internal Security Act of 1950, including FBI Director Hoover's "Security Portfolio," a plan to arrest and detain up to 20,000 dissidents. 1984 Director of Federal Emergency Management Administration (FEMA) under Ronald Reagan reconstituted a readiness exercise, Operation Night Train, code-named REX 84, a potential roundup of up tens of thousands of Central Americans residing in the United States for internment in ten military detention centers.

      But the difference here is that the emergency detention and removal plans for 2006-2010 are built on a new contingency support contract. Originally awarded in 1999 by the now-defunct Immigration and Naturalization Service, the contract sought logistical support for imagined immigration events. Contingency support contracts are good business for KBR, which provides insurance for calamities that don't happen.

      When George Bush and Dick Cheney moved to Washington, many Texas-based companies teed up for contract extensions and new business opportunities. Among them, KBR was viewed by many in the defense contracting industry as a capable, fast and far-reaching company. KBR has been awarded the last three expanded improved detention center contracts administered by the Army Corps. The awards often come well in advance of the expiration date.

      Take the latest detention center contract between DHS/ICE and KBR: The solicitation went to 26 vendors of detention and logistical support services, 11 of them based in Texas. As with most large service contracts entailing indefinite delivery, indefinite quantity and rapid response time, Halliburton's KBR submitted the only bid for the work. While this does not constitute another "cost-plus no-bid contract," which have been cited as particularly vulnerable to abuse and fraud, the contract award to a single bidder doesn't lend itself to much competitive pricing. Contracting officer Linda Eadie of the U.S. Army Corps' Fort Worth, Texas, district, who administrated the DHS/ICE deal with KBR disagreed: "This is a cost-plus contract, but it is not a no-bid. The procurement was competitively negotiated."

      During the contract negotiations, Hurricane Katrina hit the Gulf Coast. USACE learned the hard way about the limitations of the 2001-2005 contract. The existing contract responded to an "immigration emergency," not a "migration emergency." Hurricane Katrina involved "evacuees" from within the United States, and not "refugees" or immigrants from abroad. Under the contract, no task orders could be issued, with the exception of a requirement to perform readiness exercises on a moment's notice. Under that provision, DHS ordered KBR to provide temporary shelter for DHS and ICE officials in New Orleans for $7 million.

      In the "recompete" solicitation for the detention and relocation centers, USACE modified the terms. Under the new contract, the detention and relocation centers will be able to hold both immigrant refugees from U.S.-born natural disasters and foreign-born natural disasters. This new program expands the DHS Contingency Support Project and ICE's Detention and Removal Program. In the event of another Katrina-like flood, ICE, with KBR's logistical support, will perform a large-scale migrant catch and release program.

      DHS and ICE determine what constitutes an immigration emergency. But no one from ICE or DHS has responded to queries about specific scenarios that would order KBR to act on the contract. A KBR press release from Jan. 24 quotes Bruce Stanski, executive vice president, KBR Government and Infrastructure, who "looks forward to supporting the development of new programs."

      Could an immigration emergency be declared tomorrow in Arizona, Texas or California at the urging of conservative political leaders from those regions? Is this program the foundation of internment camps on U.S. soil again? Evacuee resettlement facilities can be converted into detention centers at-the-quick. An Army Corps procurement analyst told me, "Mobile watchtowers are easily wheeled onto the corners of barbed-wired tent camps."

      The stated intentions of the contract and acquisition plan do not include those features. Linda Eadie explained that KBR's work could prevent a humanitarian catastrophe in the event of natural disasters such as floods, plagues, tidal waves, hurricanes, earthquakes or a political crisis abroad, like "the fall of a current or future government." USACE maintains it's money well spent on a de facto insurance plan against a humanitarian disaster, offering public shelter for evacuees from a variety of storms, natural disasters, human-induced events.

      Immigration lawyers and migrant advocates warn that the government plans to detain and remove more people, including asylum seekers. Attorney Ahilan Arulanantham with the ACLU of Southern California told AlterNet, "Obviously, if the government's intentions are to care for refugees displaced by a natural disaster, we have no problem with that. But with the numbers of detentions, which have exploded since 1996 and more so after Sept. 11 -- and remember after 9/11, the government detained over 1,000 people in New York City, none of whom were linked to terrorist activity -- based on stories like these, we fear that their program could victimize people fleeing persecution or calamity, the very people that the program is designed to help."

      The most recent award to KBR announced on Jan. 3, 2006, extends and expands the existing contract, as part of the DHS Contingency Support Project and ICE's Detention and Removal Program. Kellogg, Brown and Root will get $481,212 per year to maintain readiness.

      "Rapid response capability is expensive," writes Debra Pulling, one of the U.S. Fort Worth district Army Corps contracting officers, in a memorandum. If called into duty, KBR would have access to a maximum amount of $385 million per deployment. Given the increased frequency and intensity of Gulf Coast hurricanes alone, five deployments would cost more than $1.9 billion over five years.

      Each of the four detention centers would accommodate a single male population consisting of 40 percent of the total detainees, 10 percent single female, 40 percent families with children, and 10 percent criminal and sick. Each location will have three different checkpoints: a temporary staging facility where up to 5,000 can be housed and fed for up to 72 hours, and 1,800 can be processed a day; a transfer point holding up to 600 migrants for up to three months before relocation; and to accommodate longer stays for criminal and sick detainees, a temporary detention center where potential terrorist threats can be processed for "rendition" to a site outside the continental United States. Notable among the specifications for KBR is the Department of Defense security requirement for "secret" classification of assigned personnel.

      Relating to potential task orders, a Corps memorandum states: "Although this contract will be executed inside the United States, it is likely to be used only during periods of significant political unrest affecting countries near to the United States. Such unrest, quite apart from its impact in creating a large number of refugees, may constitute a serious threat to the United States, which could result in the deployment of military forces. This contract requires an immediate stand up of facilities that will receive a large influx of refugees. It is anticipated that the refugees will not speak the language, and the circumstances may involve a hostile environment within the camp. Consequently, a potential for violence will exist in the camps. While there may or may not be a deployment of U.S. troops, there certainly will be a deployment of border patrol and other law enforcement agents, in a quasi-military manner."

      The flexibility redrawn into the contract for these relocation and detention centers has alarmed human rights supporters both inside and outside the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers. [AU: WHY?] One anonymous source within USACE warned, "Don't wait until they're putting people behind barbed wire. Don't wait until the cattle cars pull up. Nip this in the bud."

      A representative from the New Jersey Civil Rights Defense Committee remarked, "To offer help at gunpoint, where people are not free to accept or reject it, is not really help."

      An ICE spokesman told the New York Times on Feb. 4, 2006 that if a migration emergency does not happen, the detention centers may never need to be built. In fact, KBR is not planning to build anything. Existing structures, be they a local stadium, warehouse or airplane hangar, will be leased for a given period of time.

      The prospective demand and requirements for this expanded emergency response activity is in the hands of government agencies. They'll be the ones to decide what constitutes an emergency, be it Category 4 hurricanes in the Gulf Coast, coup d'etats in Haiti, African killer bee-induced evacuations of Northern Mexico or, less dramatically, the mass influx of immigrants that crosses the U.S. border after the Christmas holidays. Whatever the emergency is, and whatever poor folks will be rounded up, one thing is certain: They will not be free to leave, and their hosts for the next five years will be Kellogg, Brown and Root.
    • Download:
      Alex Jones' Police State 2000
      Alex Jones exposes the growing militarization of American law enforcement and the growing relationship between the military and police.

      Witness US training with foreign troops and learning how to control and contain civilian populations in Operation: Urban Warrior. Witness Oakland and Alameda police training with the Marines. Training exercises with role players who complain "We're Americans, we have rights!" Hear the chilling Marine on the loudspeaker: "Attention attention attention! American forces are here to help. Civil disobedience will not be tolerated."
  • This is nothing more than profeteering and corruption. The problem is developing nations often mimick corruption from developed nations. It is very sad
    • Dear The Man:

      Please make my request for "sunflower" wallpaper and Yanni music. Remember I need my prozac at least 3 times per day, or I will get grumpy.

      Also I would like vegatarian meals....those fucking balony sandwiches you make....
      oppss Im sorry Herr Bushman, I didnt mean to say it.....
      yavohole Mr. Footstomper I wont do it again...
      I like balony
      its just fine sir
      • Will there be games and skits at camp?
        • we need to focus on something specific...otherwise we all run around going OH NOOO MR BILL THEY ARE GONNA GAT MEEEEEE:::::\\

          and we aint doing shit about it...
          any body gots ideas....
          heres one...
          get a non profit set up for the purpose to expose 911....investigate it ourselves and legitimize it with documented research....hire experts to draft real reports...

          problem with the net is that we can write anything we want....some of it we read on the net just may not be true....and some may be...
          but it will need to be legitimized by facts and documentation by qualified experts
          my experience as an attorney is that you can find a doctor to say whatever you want if you give him enough money....
          so yes it would cost money
          the facts may already be there but its not in the mainstream media yet

          but if you think the govt is gonnannna fund this youra moron

          the trick will being to challenge the official story with weill documented science before you could get it taken to the mainstream.......make a real tight case and take it to the media and take it to the media and to the media....

          or we can sit here like stoned mice watching that cat cleaning his paws
          • hey has anyone noticed....the reasons Hitler was placed into power by the reich "rich industrialists" was to be a buffer to the spread of communism from russia which was geting popular in europe and america

            and bush and co were part of the group....prescott bush//// that put hitler in

            why did they do it......cause they were scared if the commies spread...they would have all their toys and money taken from thats what the commies did in Russia

            its not that communism was bad for everone....its particularly bad for the rich folks who would loose their shit

            so see the parallel= hitler=bush=facism=euginics (sp?)

            what its really about is continued control by them....they dont really care about equality or your freedom....they care about keeping them at the helm with us doing their biding. . . .

            now.....there are limited resources on this earth....and lotsa people wanting a piece of pie. . ....
            how would you want to ensure you keep all your pie
            from the advancing hordes of hungry folks....
            war is good for several things...eliminating competition for your pie and strenghting your base by force or threat thereof....

            rockerfeller used this business tactic to undermine the competition by secretly buying the competition who didnt even know who owned them ....and he would use the newly bought to give info on what they knew spy vs spy stuff

            and his whole purpose was to control the markets......thats whats up here. . .they do want world domination for sure. . . . maybe a good idea and inevitable. . . .one world without borders

            but they way they are going about it....spreading death...and without love for each other its only a matter of time before their focus comes on you...
            • >>its not that communism was bad for everone....its particularly bad for the rich folks who would loose their shit

              Except that Trotsky and Lenin were financed by some of the same financial elements.

              The trick about communism: Once the government has pooled everyone's wealth, they've got to buy the goods for the people from somewhere. Like the uber-capitalists.

              See Anthony Sutton's 'Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution.' (complemented by his 'Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler')

              Also, Dr. Stan Monteith interviews Anthony Sutton on this subject:
              • thanks for the info i guess there is no hope for us peasants...unless we make the rich realize its all a symbotic relation and that we all are in this together....and could do so much more if we all worked together......instead of their way of division and trying to outdo the other assholes......make them see in a mirror what they truely are and maybe they will want to be part of the change for our evolution on the species
                from animal ....whoops i didnt mean to insult animals

                from amoral to moral...
    While thousands of people were celebrating the contribution America's undocumented immigrants make to our economy, and demanding justice and recognition for workers who are denied basic rights, the government was making plans for large-scale detention centers in case of an "emergency influx" of immigrants.

    KBR, the Halliburton subsidiary recently reprimanded for gross overcharging in its military contracts in Iraq, won a $385 million contract to build the centers. According to the Halliburton"the contract, which is effective immediately, provides for establishing temporary detention and processing capabilities to augment existing ICE Detention and Removal Operations Program facilities in the event of an emergency influx of immigrants into the U.S., or to support the rapid development of new programs."

    What new programs might those be?

    The web was abuzz with speculation after the contract was awarded on January 24. Pacific News Service gave the most detailed analysis.

    It connected the new "immigration emergency" plans with older plans that involved imposing martial law.

    Certainly the detention centers raise the specter of WW II Japanese internment camps.

    The new facilities could be used for round-ups of Muslim Americans or other American citizens tagged as "enemy combatants.”

    The use of military personnel and military contractors in the event of a Katrina-like disaster, which the Halliburton contract provides for, brings us closer to martial law, whether it is officially declared or not.

    It also means record profits for Halliburton, which declared 2005 "the best in our 86-year history." David Lesar, Halliburton's chairman, president and CEO, declares on the company website, "For the full year 2005 we set a record for revenue and achieved net income of $2.4 billion with each of our six divisions posting record results."

    Not bad for a company that has been repeatedly cited for inflating charges and wasting taxpayer money in Iraq.

    The immigration detention centers ought to raise a red flag, not just about nepotism and waste among military contractors, but about what our government has in store for us.

    Perhaps the same energy that propelled immigrant rights into the national headlines could be harnessed to demand an explanation for what, exactly, Halliburton is helping to prepare for with this latest big chunk of taxpayer largess.