That's my theory. Honkies just aren't ready to vote for Obama.

I just don't think that much of America's honkies are going to vote for a 'black' guy with a name like Barak Hussein Obama. I just don't see it.

He does really well with the Dems - being that he's the most Liberal senator last year, that's not surprising - but he does less well with the more solid/centrist Democrats. Not to even talk about the 17% that are in the center. He does really badly with them.

So. Yeah. White people I do not believe are ready to vote for a 'black' guy as president.

I've been having this debate in the real world all week, and people tend to HOPE that this is not true, but...
  • Well, if that's true the Democrats have been screwed from the beginning, because that demographic that doesn't like black people are the same ones who've been conditioned by the rightie propaganda machine to think Hillary Clinton is evil incarnate, a few blue collar midwesterners aside.

    Hey "Obama is a Muslim", please say hi to "Hillary killed Vince Foster!"
  • Heres the interesting part: the Democrats can run a reverse southern strategy of sorts and demolish the Republicans. Thats why Hilary has been so desperate because it IS going to be a Democrat winning this year.

    Obama is the nominee now despite the best efforts of racists like AndrewTM (remember, his racism starts against the Palestinians). And it goes from there. AndrewTM thinks its okay to kill Iraqis so Boeing can make more money this quarter.

    Everyone showed their true color this primary system, and yes, Virg-inna, there is a Santa Clinton! He's a guy with white hair who rides a metal sleigh around the world to bring Christmas gifts to hook up his "donors" with Kazakh dictators:

    www.nytimes.com/2008/01/31...1donor.html

    Mr. Nazarbayev walked away from the table with a propaganda coup, after Mr. Clinton expressed enthusiastic support for the Kazakh leader’s bid to head an international organization that monitors elections and supports democracy. Mr. Clinton’s public declaration undercut both American foreign policy and sharp criticism of Kazakhstan’s poor human rights record by, among others, Mr. Clinton’s wife, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York.

    Within two days, corporate records show that Mr. Giustra also came up a winner when his company signed preliminary agreements giving it the right to buy into three uranium projects controlled by Kazakhstan’s state-owned uranium agency, Kazatomprom.

    The monster deal stunned the mining industry, turning an unknown shell company into one of the world’s largest uranium producers in a transaction ultimately worth tens of millions of dollars to Mr. Giustra, analysts said.

    Just months after the Kazakh pact was finalized, Mr. Clinton’s charitable foundation received its own windfall: a $31.3 million donation from Mr. Giustra that had remained a secret until he acknowledged it last month. The gift, combined with Mr. Giustra’s more recent and public pledge to give the William J. Clinton Foundation an additional $100 million, secured Mr. Giustra a place in Mr. Clinton’s inner circle, an exclusive club of wealthy entrepreneurs in which friendship with the former president has its privileges.
    • Here is one honkie with his hand up

      Obama is a flawed man, a flawed candidate, and he won't be the president of the US.

      In spite of all the rhetoric that his inevitable failure is due to race..............

      this couldn't be further from the truth

      and enlightenment will only seem more evasive to your lot than it already is...
      • He authored 152 bills in two years, mostly for progressive legislation. He has a strong work ethic.

        Sure, there's some flaws. He and McCain are both honest enough to admit to those. For that reason he's likely to pick better cabinet members because he's honest enough to know his flaws and smart enough to shore them up.

        And he's likable and a good mouthpiece, both of which will give him a wider selection of people and ideas to choose from when making policy and trying to reverse all the bad ideas that went on during the last eight years.

    • Usually I don't even read cD's nonsense, but he impressed me with a post more than two sentences long. I was not aware that he could string so many nouns, adjectives, adverbs and pronouns together in one post.

      This line though? Uncalled for to say the least: "Obama is the nominee now despite the best efforts of racists like AndrewTM (remember, his racism starts against the Palestinians)."

      cD is a plain idiot. And, his idiocy gets worse: "AndrewTM thinks its okay to kill Iraqis so Boeing can make more money this quarter."

      A) I am not racist against "Palestinians" (or anyone else for that matter). Hey, Idiot - Jews are Palestinians, too. As are Christians. You really are not that bright.
      B) I never said one word about how I think "its okay to kill Iraqis so Boeing...blah blah blah". Find for me where I said that and I'll leave here forever. If you can't find where I said that, Idiot, then apologize if you're a man at all.

      But, being the Seth of the Left - I don't expect from you any more than I expect from him. Actually, I expect LESS since Seth has manned up in the past and apologized when he said something too over the top. You are not even the man that Seth is.
      • Andrew, I understand as a Lieberdem its tough for you to accept your hero Clinton went down to defeat. Worse, you have to support Obama, as the "loyal" Democrat you claim to be!
        • <Andrew, I understand as a Lieberdem its tough for you to accept your hero Clinton went down to defeat. Worse, you have to support Obama, as the "loyal" Democrat you claim to be!>

          As a person taught from a very young age to have integrity, I really do think that you and I had a different upbringing.

          I mean, if I manipulatively made such egregiously dishonorable lies up about someone else and they called me on it, I'd be forced to admit that I was lying and then apologize.

          You though obviously had a different upbringing. Were your parents liars, too? I have to assume so, because we get so much of our sense of right and wrong and integrity from our parents, so I have to imagine that you model yourself after them. Or - just as likely - you are a great disappointment to them. It could be nature or nurture.....I'm really not sure.
    • <Heres the interesting part: the Democrats can run a reverse southern strategy of sorts and demolish the Republicans.>

      what the democrats need to do is fully back dean's strategy of going after all 50 states instead of cycle after cycle only going after the "swing states".
  • """""""Honkies just aren't ready to vote for Obama.""""""""""

    and "negroes" aren't ready to vote for McCain...

    This racist language isn't needed...so please let's stop with it...

    You may be right that white people in general won't vote for Obama...but the same is true on the other side of the coin....Black people will overwhelmingly vote Obama because they believe he's "one of them"...even if he isn't....Although I do believe that a greater percentage of black women will vote for Clinton than black men...just for the gender vote...
    Same thing happened with Bush and his "I'm just a regular guy" act, which made middle America vote for him...
  • are middle of the road democrats so dense as to think that mccain is a better option than obama? obama is not perfect but he's a much better choice than clinton or mccain. why these centrist democrats don't give their full backing to the presumptive candidate is beyond me. clinton is mathematically and realistically out of the race. why she remains in it is beyond me. maybe she just keeps trucking on to keep her donors happy and prove she can make it through a campaign.

    i think the more people you talk to and rationally explain that it does not matter what color skin a person has, the more will realize how shortsighted they may have been in the past.

    if people want to stop repeating history, then they should stop recycling the same old arguments. only proves to divide rather than bring together.
    • <are middle of the road democrats so dense as to think that mccain is a better option than obama?>

      No. But the middle of the road Republicans/independents ARE. That's 17% of the population.

      <why these centrist democrats don't give their full backing to the presumptive candidate is beyond me.>

      Well, would you say the same if the situation was changed? If Clinton was the presumptive candidate, and the far left would not "give [him] their full backing", would you be saying the same thing?

      <why she remains in it is beyond me.>

      I'm guessing that she is hoping that he makes some huge mistake, and thus cause the super delegates to HAVE to choose her.

      <what the democrats need to do is fully back dean's strategy of going after all 50 states instead of cycle after cycle only going after the "swing states".>

      Nope. There are many states that are guaranteed. There there are the states that the Dems will never win. After those states, there are the swing states that OVER AND OVER again choose the president (Ohio/Florida...) Dean is right. Fight for the states that are possible and important instead of those that'll NEVER swing to the blue.

      • i would be saying the same thing.

        im glad hillary is staying in it "hoping he makes some huge mistake". that's a great fucking attitude to take into a convention and general election. "here, let's slip this white power speech into his briefcase. when he goes up to accept the nomination, BANG!, i'm in. get my running shoes."

        never never never never never never never never never never never nevernevernevernevernevernevernevernevernever never never nevernevernevernever

        its no wonder those swing states never swing blue. the democrats don't want them!
  • Obama is Half Honky

    Today, 3:38 AM
    Isn't he?

    Or is he half African, Muslim or something like that.

    For that he should a least get .5 of the vote.

    The problem with Black America is that they don't vote
    • Re: Obama is Half Honky

      Today, 4:12 AM
      Sentience had it right--what if we all voted for someone nobody was going to vote for? There is always someone who is going to tell you, "life is just to die" as VU lyric'd. There was an initial assertion that our man Andrew stating his case had: calling Obama the most "liberal." What the hell does that mean? He's pluralist? Oh shit take him out back, & commence to whooping 'em. WE KNOW WHO Obama wants to help in OUR society. Isn't he explicitly clear about that. Whereas the repubs have very little POPULIST rhetoric. At least, we can get around what SOUNDS more honest. I don't get well he has Hussein as a middle name--He's a Progressive. I got a hebrew name, bro, that doesn't make me an apologist for things-Jewish. Get past labels, if you care at all that change is inevitably the key to better environment, educational funding, job training, health care, the repubs clearly have no advantage in how to proceed in any of these areas of concern in the US. Remember most americans want out of Iraq...how does a Conservative speak in any way toward getting the fuck out of peoples' backyard who don't want us there. They can't speak to it, because they believe in a materialist approach to everything. Toting around your beliefs in a wheelbarrow (or a HumV) is necessarily materialist. Thought is fear (think of where the mind goes in terms of structured belief because:), therefore Security is demanded, & exploitation of resources mine & yours is resultant. It is all ego.

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