it's easy to ignore his threads and it's fun to watch the morlocks get all worked up.
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Re: Seth is Great
Sat, May 10, 2008 - 1:32 PMYoni,
It's so hard for me to ignore his crap. I'm sure I'm one of the "morlocks" that you're referring to.
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Re: Seth is Great
Sat, May 10, 2008 - 1:34 PMSeth is the epitome of the politics of Rove, Limbaugh and Coulter. So if you're for that, then yeah. -
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Re: Seth is Great
Sat, May 10, 2008 - 4:16 PM<Seth is the epitome of the politics of Rove, Limbaugh and Coulter. So if you're for that, then yeah.>
In every way in terms of that respect. He's degrading to women in particular, he's said things A NUMBER of times that are beyond the pale...
There's a reason why he's been booted.
And, I would ask all of you to take it easy on DVD. The handicapped need special attention and patience. -
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Re: Seth is Great
Sat, May 10, 2008 - 4:29 PMI don't understand why people that actually ARE racist just don't have the balls to be forthright about their views. Because they are balless retards and they know their racist beliefs are archaic and out dated and unacceptable. So they pretend they arent and accuse others of being what they are then when the others deny it they say that is proof. It's all oh so very pointless. It's a never ending loop of negativity. Hopefully some peeps will eventually break that cycle and move on to other things. There's so much more interesting things to focus on. Like my dick for instance. Duh. Yeah Baby!!! lol -
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Re: Seth is Great
Sat, May 10, 2008 - 4:57 PMYeah it's Closet Racist Syndrome.
They're racist, they know it, everyone knows it, but they dance around the truth and play this cute little "I'm not racist.... I just believe [racial/ethnic group] are [evil/subhuman/hive-minded/scary]!" kind of routine, wherein they display their ability to believe the most unreasonable, contradictory and fallacious things ever, simply on the virtue of their own insecurity, ignorance, and intellectual inability.
I guess it might be because there's a level of cognitive dissonance involved. They may even feel required to believe as they do - otherwise, fully knowing how hateful and idiotic their beliefs are, they would collapse in shame. Hence, they're stuck in the closet; dishonest with themselves as well as everyone else.
CRS makes me nauseous.
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Re: Seth is Great
Sat, May 10, 2008 - 5:08 PM>> Because they are balless retards and they know their racist beliefs are archaic and out dated and unacceptable. So they pretend they arent and accuse others of being what they are then when the others deny it they say that is proof. It's all oh so very pointless.<<
actually, it makes perfect sense. I mean anyone that would take pleasure in seriously hurting people's feelings on the internet has to be a pretty sad case. what better than to project all that meanness on to someone else and manufacture a handy excuse for acting like a jackass in the process.
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Re: Seth is Great
Mon, May 12, 2008 - 11:45 PM>> Seth is the epitome of the politics of Rove, Limbaugh and Coulter. So if you're for that, then yeah.<<
This is one of the two main reasons that I defend the right of Seth to have his say. Here's the other: uspolitics.tribe.net/thread/...c5791b94
What could possibly be more germane to politics of the day than steeling your stomach and facing Swirsky? I contend, in fact, that Seth makes the Limbaughs and Coulters seem almost tamed and accommodating. He can be your tonic, or your kryptonite.
His behavior is even worse than mine, sure; he's an incontinent boob with no sense of proportion, and a warbling goofball pop-hack with a weak grasp of lyricism and a raging case of indefensible self love, sure, sure; but that in no way excuses anyone's response to him. We just get weaker and weaker when we pretend that cutting the Seths out of a forum leads to something "more productive".
Nothing could be more productive than gaining the skills necessary to face the real world. Unfortunately - and I think it's really the fault of PC and the boomer/post-boomer generation's general squeamishness about brass tacks - our world is composed primarily of Sethisms and Sethological Sethonics. Pray for it to end ASAP - but row to shore and fucking face the guy.
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Re: Seth is Great
Mon, May 12, 2008 - 11:59 PM
if you can't handle Seth... you probably can't handle American politics, either.
(pretty simple, or... so it seems to me.)
(disclaimer: personal attacks being a completely separate issue and the reason he got banned.) -
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Re: Seth is Great
Tue, May 13, 2008 - 12:12 AM
p.s. oh boy. it's fun to pick unpopular and arguably unwinnable arguments.
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Re: Seth is Great
Tue, May 13, 2008 - 5:41 PM<<
if you can't handle Seth... you probably can't handle American politics, either.
(pretty simple, or... so it seems to me.)
(disclaimer: personal attacks being a completely separate issue and the reason he got banned.)>>
Yes, but why is it American politics has to be held to the standard of Seth behavior... or vice versa? I mean, I'm only 27 and my recollection of political trends is murky at best - but it seems like at some point, the level of discourse in the media about politics dropped to truly retarded levels. Like when Bill O'Reilly and others like him made a big circus out of it, aided by Fox Programming. But I don't know if I can blame them specifically as causes or symptoms... of this dumbing-down.
Europeans laugh at us, the way we go about things. This is a generalization, but it's what I've seen. And they have a right to. European politics can be pretty weird, but it doesn't seem to be this football-game yo-momma joke crap that we're all coming to accept as normal political discourse. -
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Re: Seth is Great
Tue, May 13, 2008 - 6:03 PM<<if you can't handle Seth... you probably can't handle American politics, either.
(pretty simple, or... so it seems to me.)>>
Patronizing nonsense. The desire to have a tribe where we can discuss politics rationally has nothing to do "handling" the circus that is our political system.
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Re: Seth is Great
Tue, May 13, 2008 - 6:28 PM
how is that "patronizing", Nolen? it's simply my personal opinion (which i'm certainly entitled to but which certainly didn't affect my decision as a mod to have Seth banned.) -
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Re: Seth is Great
Tue, May 13, 2008 - 7:02 PMWho's saying you're not entitled to an opinion? I think the tribe is well aware of your opinion with regard to Seth. Frankly, I don't know how you can claim that linking to your cry baby photo or declaring people who argue for a minimum level of civility in this forum as being unable to handle American politics is anything but condescending. -
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Re: Seth is Great
Tue, May 13, 2008 - 8:06 PM
<<declaring people who argue for a minimum level of civility in this forum as being unable to handle American politics>>
straw man.
when did i "declare people who argue for a minimum level of civility in this forum as being unable to handle American politics"??
(really, Nolen. please kindly scroll a few posts down and see what i actually said - and maybe then retract your comment in this post.)
not only have i ALWAYS been arguing for (and actively working - pretty hard, too - towards achieving) "a minimum level of civility in this forum", but.... even Seth "HIMSELF" - Big Bad Seth (the Ultimate Hazard and Dire Danger to/for the Liberals Anywhere. ::: ! sarcasm alert ! ::: ) has been BANNED for his continious refusal to adhere to those 'minimum standards of civility' (i.e., engaging in personal attacks and refusing to show any "remorse"...)
but anyway. really, i think i've had it at this point.
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Re: Seth is Great
Wed, May 14, 2008 - 2:07 AMThe statement stands. Perhaps you should consider how people will respond before you click submit.
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Re: Seth is Great
Sat, May 10, 2008 - 1:36 PMSeth really isn't the problem. Those that bump his threads are.
But since you can't ban an entire tribe, I guess you'll have to live with it. And besides, he's good for ratings. -
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Re: Seth is Great
Sat, May 10, 2008 - 1:41 PMMike,
In your opinion should there be no rules for this tribe? -
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Re: Seth is Great
Sat, May 10, 2008 - 1:50 PMThis is an argument tribe. It works better without rules.
As I said, the only rule I'd have would be against flooding. Cliff filling an entire billboard of topics with punctuation being a good example of a rule that would cause me to ban someone since the goal is obviously meant to drive topics off the marquee.
All the nigger hating, jew hating, arab hating, troll hating and honky hating threads are there for you to argue against. They are topics that deserve to be beaten into the ground rather than censored as a matter of policy . . . and all are arguments easy to defeat. -
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Re: Seth is Great
Sat, May 10, 2008 - 1:54 PMMike,
Why is flooding objectionable to you? If we just ignore what we don't like then the threads that have a lot of activity will simply drown out the one's that are fluff. -
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Re: Seth is Great
Sat, May 10, 2008 - 2:13 PMFlooding is just objectionable to my work ethic. It penalizes those who actually think about an issue and take time to craft a response to it. In the end it diminishes those angles on the argument and you end up with a majority of one line responses and blog links instead of introspection and individual takes on an issue.
However, 'what' is flooding is a topic open for debate and like law could be evaluated case by case to establish precedent.
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Re: Seth is Great
Sat, May 10, 2008 - 2:24 PMMike,
The behavior that Seth and other trolls epitomize achieves the same exact objectives as flooding. It penalizes people who actually THINK about an issue and take the time to craft a response to it. Seth attacks people, he blatantly lies and misleads, he makes gross generalizations about people of certain races or religious backgrounds, and he floods within the threads themselves. If you flood a thread is it any different then flooding a tribe? -
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Re: Seth is Great
Sat, May 10, 2008 - 2:29 PM
<<and he floods within the threads themselves.>>
sorry, that's just not fair.
Seth is not a flooder, period.
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Re: Seth is Great
Sat, May 10, 2008 - 2:44 PM"sorry, that's just not fair.
Seth is not a flooder, period. "
Inna,
Give me a little latitude here.
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Re: Seth is Great
Sat, May 10, 2008 - 2:34 PMWell if he floods, then I'll ban him. I'll ban him for taking that 'action'. The one thing I'm not going to do is ban him because you as a group perceive this person has a character flaw; and that's even if I agree with the group.
I'll argue and mock the viewpoint if it deserves it. If Seth is objectionable enough I'll be happy to make a fool out of him when I can. But I refuse to make pariahs out of these people since it ends up giving them a legitimacy they don't deserve.
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Re: Seth is Great
Sat, May 10, 2008 - 1:55 PM>>>>>All the nigger hating, jew hating, arab hating, and honky hating threads are there for you to argue against. They are topics that deserve to be beaten into the ground rather than censored as a matter of policy . . . and all are arguments easy to defeat.<<<<<
Brilliant and thanks for making the point.
That has been my point since I came back from sabbatical and got sick of similar stupid shit posts I was reading in this tribe while nothing was being done about it.
I figure, if seth, spaz and others could get away with it, why shouldn't I? -
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Re: Seth is Great
Sat, May 10, 2008 - 2:00 PMDVD,
Ya think that maybe your ego is just a tad inflated? It sounds like you're being an asshole because you think you're teaching the members of this tribe a lesson. Is that right?
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Re: Seth is Great
Sat, May 10, 2008 - 2:04 PM
christ almighty! seth is about the most innocuous troll I've encountered. he keeps to his threads. he doesn't stalk people or throw out personal information. and if anyone truly gets abused, it's him.
it is just amazing what passes for unacceptable compared to some of the truly fucked up shit that happens from time to time.
and for the record, I just got 14 responses in the last half hour. mention Seth and look at what happens. if there is a problem, old Seth is just the symptom. -
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Re: Seth is Great
Sat, May 10, 2008 - 2:08 PMI think Seth was on here before I came on this tribe long ago. I missed him I think. I think he was booted from this tribe before I found this tribe. I'm glad I missed that troll. He sounds worse than Bruce. If that's at all possible. -
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Re: Seth is Great
Sat, May 10, 2008 - 3:11 PM>> I'm glad I missed that troll. He sounds worse than Bruce. If that's at all possible. <<
sounds like you're staking out an opinion while admitting complete ignorance. kind of lame. -
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Re: Seth is Great
Mon, May 12, 2008 - 11:52 PMM's going for maximum irony. Stand back....
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Re: Seth is Great
Sat, May 10, 2008 - 2:17 PMYoni,
I'm sorry but some people bring there emotional garbage here and simply dump it on everyone else who wants to debate. There is a line that I think is intentionally and repeatedly crossed by Seth and it effects the whole tribe. Seth knows that his antics derail the threads and he keeps doing it. If someone comes to this tribe for the purpose of being destructive then what is really the point? -
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Re: Seth is Great
Sat, May 10, 2008 - 3:16 PM>> There is a line that I think is intentionally and repeatedly crossed by Seth and it effects the whole tribe. Seth knows that his antics derail the threads and he keeps doing it. <<
but he pretty much stays out of every thread I participated in. and all the while you and the rest of the peanut gallery are starting new threads about him. so you're a willing participant.
>> If someone comes to this tribe for the purpose of being destructive then what is really the point? <<
if some jackass keeps to his own threads then he is easily ignored. which you seem unable to do.
save your outrage for the jackass that follows people around or posts veiled threats. which does happen in this tribe all too often without comment. I think part of the reason most of you enjoy fucking with seth is because you know he is harmless. if there were any real perceived meanness or hostility you'd be silent. -
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Re: Seth is Great
Sat, May 10, 2008 - 3:19 PM>>>>>if there were any real perceived meanness or hostility you'd be silent. <<<<<
not with me. I fear no one.
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Re: Seth is Great
Sat, May 10, 2008 - 2:09 PM
<<This is an argument tribe.>>
which is the main reason for the existence of a very basic set of rules defending the freedom of *civil* discourse.
unmoderated forums allowing namecalling and insults rapidly deteriorate into cesspools of personal attacks and .... typically die their untimely little deaths.
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Re: Seth is Great
Sat, May 10, 2008 - 2:12 PMI think if someone resorts to personal attacks, then they should be fair game, for all. This is mainly due to the observation that these people are the first to complain, when their actions are returned with the same
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Re: Seth is Great
Sat, May 10, 2008 - 2:20 PMIf you're secure in who you are, why should you care about the name-calling and personal attacks. They're irrelevant to the argument unless the argument is about your mom, in which case it makes perfect sense. -
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Re: Seth is Great
Sat, May 10, 2008 - 2:33 PMMike,
I'm sorry but Seth makes racist and hateful comments about people that can't defend themselves and provides nothing to support his judgments. He is clearly not interested in the truth and he does not demonstrate any desire to research his preconceived notions that he is so opinionated about. And collectively ignoring hateful people simply doesn't work here, and shouldn't be expected to work here. Shouldn't we all expect to be held accountable for the comments that we make? -
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Re: Seth is Great
Sat, May 10, 2008 - 2:38 PM<<<Seth makes racist and hateful comments about people that can't defend themselves>>>
Why can't they defend themselves Sheik?
<<<And collectively ignoring hateful people simply doesn't work here, and shouldn't be expected to work here.>>>
I say give it a try, see what happens. -
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Re: Seth is Great
Sat, May 10, 2008 - 2:47 PMMike,
Seth's generalizations and racist comments are about people that are not represented in this tribe. I might be wrong but I don't think there are any Muslim members or Arab members or participants. -
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Re: Seth is Great
Sat, May 10, 2008 - 2:49 PMMike,
I know that my points are refutable....bare with me a bit and I'll try to explain myself better. -
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Re: Seth is Great
Sat, May 10, 2008 - 2:51 PMMike,
Are you suggesting that any and all comments should be allowed? -
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Sat, May 10, 2008 - 2:53 PM>>>>Are you suggesting that any and all comments should be allowed? <<<<
What difference does it make anyway?
any and all comments are allowed in this tribe as it is..
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