albert always was one of my favorite humans:
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Belief in God 'childish,' Jews not chosen people: Einstein letter
May 13 08:24 AM US/Eastern
Albert Einstein described belief in God as "childish superstition" and said Jews were not the chosen people, in a letter to be sold in London this week, an auctioneer said Tuesday.
The father of relativity, whose previously known views on religion have been more ambivalent and fuelled much discussion, made the comments in response to a philosopher in 1954.
As a Jew himself, Einstein said he had a great affinity with Jewish people but said they "have no different quality for me than all other people".
"The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish.
"No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this," he wrote in the letter written on January 3, 1954 to the philosopher Eric Gutkind, cited by The Guardian newspaper.
The German-language letter is being sold Thursday by Bloomsbury Auctions in Mayfair after being in a private collection for more than 50 years, said the auction house's managing director Rupert Powell.
In it, the renowned scientist, who declined an invitation to become Israel's second president, rejected the idea that the Jews are God's chosen people.
"For me the Jewish religion like all others is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions," he said.
"And the Jewish people to whom I gladly belong and with whose mentality I have a deep affinity have no different quality for me than all other people."
And he added: "As far as my experience goes, they are no better than other human groups, although they are protected from the worst cancers by a lack of power. Otherwise I cannot see anything 'chosen' about them."
Previously the great scientist's comments on religion -- such as "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind" -- have been the subject of much debate, used notably to back up arguments in favour of faith.
Powell said the letter being sold this week gave a clear reflection of Einstein's real thoughts on the subject. "He's fairly unequivocal as to what he's saying. There's no beating about the bush," he told AFP.
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Belief in God 'childish,' Jews not chosen people: Einstein letter
May 13 08:24 AM US/Eastern
Albert Einstein described belief in God as "childish superstition" and said Jews were not the chosen people, in a letter to be sold in London this week, an auctioneer said Tuesday.
The father of relativity, whose previously known views on religion have been more ambivalent and fuelled much discussion, made the comments in response to a philosopher in 1954.
As a Jew himself, Einstein said he had a great affinity with Jewish people but said they "have no different quality for me than all other people".
"The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish.
"No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this," he wrote in the letter written on January 3, 1954 to the philosopher Eric Gutkind, cited by The Guardian newspaper.
The German-language letter is being sold Thursday by Bloomsbury Auctions in Mayfair after being in a private collection for more than 50 years, said the auction house's managing director Rupert Powell.
In it, the renowned scientist, who declined an invitation to become Israel's second president, rejected the idea that the Jews are God's chosen people.
"For me the Jewish religion like all others is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions," he said.
"And the Jewish people to whom I gladly belong and with whose mentality I have a deep affinity have no different quality for me than all other people."
And he added: "As far as my experience goes, they are no better than other human groups, although they are protected from the worst cancers by a lack of power. Otherwise I cannot see anything 'chosen' about them."
Previously the great scientist's comments on religion -- such as "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind" -- have been the subject of much debate, used notably to back up arguments in favour of faith.
Powell said the letter being sold this week gave a clear reflection of Einstein's real thoughts on the subject. "He's fairly unequivocal as to what he's saying. There's no beating about the bush," he told AFP.
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Re: einstein: belief in god childish, jews not chosen
Tue, May 13, 2008 - 10:19 AM"The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honorable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish."
Some people choose to be the Shepard of their own lives.
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Re: einstein: belief in god childish, jews not chosen
Tue, May 13, 2008 - 10:20 AMAlbert Einstein was also a socialist which is consistent with his great humanity and intelligence. -
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Re: einstein: belief in god childish, jews not chosen
Tue, May 13, 2008 - 11:41 AMsheeesseh
you gotta be a rocket scinetist to see we all are from a common source and hence, all groups are equal....
methinks this says more about the stupidy of the humans than the genuis of this observation....
and yes he was genuis
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Re: einstein: belief in god childish, jews not chosen
Tue, May 13, 2008 - 12:02 PMI would say that selectively quoting from a single private letter of Einstein's to support one's own pet theories is what is childish.
Here is what Einstein said publicly in his own words on the matter of religion:
The following article by Albert Einstein appeared in the New York Times Magazine on November 9, 1930 pp 1-4. It has been reprinted in Ideas and Opinions, Crown Publishers, Inc. 1954, pp 36 - 40. It also appears in Einstein's book The World as I See It, Philosophical Library, New York, 1949, pp. 24 - 28. [ www.sacred-texts.com/aor/ein...nsci.htm ]
"Religion and Science"
Everything that the human race has done and thought is concerned with the satisfaction of deeply felt needs and the assuagement of pain. One has to keep this constantly in mind if one wishes to understand spiritual movements and their development. Feeling and longing are the motive force behind all human endeavor and human creation, in however exalted a guise the latter may present themselves to us. Now what are the feelings and needs that have led men to religious thought and belief in the widest sense of the words? A little consideration will suffice to show us that the most varying emotions preside over the birth of religious thought and experience. With primitive man it is above all fear that evokes religious notions - fear of hunger, wild beasts, sickness, death. Since at this stage of existence understanding of causal connections is usually poorly developed, the human mind creates illusory beings more or less analogous to itself on whose wills and actions these fearful happenings depend. Thus one tries to secure the favor of these beings by carrying out actions and offering sacrifices which, according to the tradition handed down from generation to generation, propitiate them or make them well disposed toward a mortal. In this sense I am speaking of a religion of fear. This, though not created, is in an important degree stabilized by the formation of a special priestly caste which sets itself up as a mediator between the people and the beings they fear, and erects a hegemony on this basis. In many cases a leader or ruler or a privileged class whose position rests on other factors combines priestly functions with its secular authority in order to make the latter more secure; or the political rulers and the priestly caste make common cause in their own interests.
The social impulses are another source of the crystallization of religion. Fathers and mothers and the leaders of larger human communities are mortal and fallible. The desire for guidance, love, and support prompts men to form the social or moral conception of God. This is the God of Providence, who protects, disposes, rewards, and punishes; the God who, according to the limits of the believer's outlook, loves and cherishes the life of the tribe or of the human race, or even or life itself; the comforter in sorrow and unsatisfied longing; he who preserves the souls of the dead. This is the social or moral conception of God.
The Jewish scriptures admirably illustrate the development from the religion of fear to moral religion, a development continued in the New Testament. The religions of all civilized peoples, especially the peoples of the Orient, are primarily moral religions. The development from a religion of fear to moral religion is a great step in peoples' lives. And yet, that primitive religions are based entirely on fear and the religions of civilized peoples purely on morality is a prejudice against which we must be on our guard. The truth is that all religions are a varying blend of both types, with this differentiation: that on the higher levels of social life the religion of morality predominates.
Common to all these types is the anthropomorphic character of their conception of God. In general, only individuals of exceptional endowments, and exceptionally high-minded communities, rise to any considerable extent above this level. But there is a third stage of religious experience which belongs to all of them, even though it is rarely found in a pure form: I shall call it cosmic religious feeling. It is very difficult to elucidate this feeling to anyone who is entirely without it, especially as there is no anthropomorphic conception of God corresponding to it.
The individual feels the futility of human desires and aims and the sublimity and marvelous order which reveal themselves both in nature and in the world of thought. Individual existence impresses him as a sort of prison and he wants to experience the universe as a single significant whole. The beginnings of cosmic religious feeling already appear at an early stage of development, e.g., in many of the Psalms of David and in some of the Prophets. Buddhism, as we have learned especially from the wonderful writings of Schopenhauer, contains a much stronger element of this.
The religious geniuses of all ages have been distinguished by this kind of religious feeling, which knows no dogma and no God conceived in man's image; so that there can be no church whose central teachings are based on it. Hence it is precisely among the heretics of every age that we find men who were filled with this highest kind of religious feeling and were in many cases regarded by their contemporaries as atheists, sometimes also as saints. Looked at in this light, men like Democritus, Francis of Assisi, and Spinoza are closely akin to one another.
How can cosmic religious feeling be communicated from one person to another, if it can give rise to no definite notion of a God and no theology? In my view, it is the most important function of art and science to awaken this feeling and keep it alive in those who are receptive to it.
We thus arrive at a conception of the relation of science to religion very different from the usual one. When one views the matter historically, one is inclined to look upon science and religion as irreconcilable antagonists, and for a very obvious reason. The man who is thoroughly convinced of the universal operation of the law of causation cannot for a moment entertain the idea of a being who interferes in the course of events - provided, of course, that he takes the hypothesis of causality really seriously. He has no use for the religion of fear and equally little for social or moral religion. A God who rewards and punishes is inconceivable to him for the simple reason that a man's actions are determined by necessity, external and internal, so that in God's eyes he cannot be responsible, any more than an inanimate object is responsible for the motions it undergoes. Science has therefore been charged with undermining morality, but the charge is unjust. A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hopes of reward after death.
It is therefore easy to see why the churches have always fought science and persecuted its devotees.On the other hand, I maintain that the cosmic religious feeling is the strongest and noblest motive for scientific research. Only those who realize the immense efforts and, above all, the devotion without which pioneer work in theoretical science cannot be achieved are able to grasp the strength of the emotion out of which alone such work, remote as it is from the immediate realities of life, can issue. What a deep conviction of the rationality of the universe and what a yearning to understand, were it but a feeble reflection of the mind revealed in this world, Kepler and Newton must have had to enable them to spend years of solitary labor in disentangling the principles of celestial mechanics! Those whose acquaintance with scientific research is derived chiefly from its practical results easily develop a completely false notion of the mentality of the men who, surrounded by a skeptical world, have shown the way to kindred spirits scattered wide through the world and through the centuries. Only one who has devoted his life to similar ends can have a vivid realization of what has inspired these men and given them the strength to remain true to their purpose in spite of countless failures. It is cosmic religious feeling that gives a man such strength. A contemporary has said, not unjustly, that in this materialistic age of ours the serious scientific workers are the only profoundly religious people. -
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Re: einstein: belief in god childish, jews not chosen
Tue, May 13, 2008 - 12:23 PMTo be chosen--in one respect--is to suggest we have had a certain responsibility. This isn't necessarily a bad social recognition in this Light. Spirituality by the level & condition of what ultimately becomes instructive, is being the convergence of WHat Is. That being Time Place & Community. The Narrative that is misinterpreted regularly is that therefore we're meant to be defined by this foci--in that our imagination had not the quality of the Philo-Air we acceded to... If we climbed great heights thru compassion & goodWorks, it's rationalism clearly that gave us this beauty & intergration to be recognized. OBservations are relentless this way.
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Re: einstein: belief in god childish, jews not chosen
Tue, May 13, 2008 - 12:31 PMno cornel you're not getting it. this private letter appears DEFINITIVE:
"For me the Jewish religion like all others is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions," he said. -
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Re: einstein: belief in god childish, jews not chosen
Tue, May 13, 2008 - 1:09 PM>> no cornel you're not getting it. this private letter appears DEFINITIVE: <<
You are just selecting one thing he said that you like and ignoring other things he said that you don't like. -
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Re: einstein: belief in god childish, jews not chosen
Tue, May 13, 2008 - 1:18 PMSigh...you are such a moron. -
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Re: einstein: belief in god childish, jews not chosen
Tue, May 13, 2008 - 3:18 PM
Einstein to his last day on earth was a huge Israel supporter. So.........yeah. Whatever. -
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Re: einstein: belief in god childish, jews not chosen
Tue, May 13, 2008 - 7:23 PMTwo of a pair.
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Tue, May 13, 2008 - 8:01 PM<<
Einstein to his last day on earth was a huge Israel supporter. So.........yeah. Whatever.>>
Oh, right. And supporting Israel means he actually does believe Jews are the chosen people? Yeah, whatever. -
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Re: einstein: belief in god childish, jews not chosen
Tue, May 13, 2008 - 8:04 PMEinstein was a high quality human being. If he was around today he would despise zionists like AndrewTM.
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Tue, May 13, 2008 - 9:37 PM<Oh, right. And supporting Israel means he actually does believe Jews are the chosen people? Yeah, whatever.>
It's like you can't help yourself saying something fucking stupid.
Where did I say anything about his views or MY views on any "chosen people"?
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Re: einstein: belief in god childish, jews not chosen
Tue, May 13, 2008 - 10:22 PM<<It's like you can't help yourself saying something fucking stupid. >>
Yes Andrew, we all know you're the smartest AND toughest internet guy around! It's really as if no one here is as good as you, unless of course they are not currently ripping your half-assed commentary to shreds and shoving them down your fucking throat.
<<Where did I say anything about his views or MY views on any "chosen people"? >>
...That was the topic of the thread. You know, the one you're posting in. I'll recap for you, so you can in your vast intellectual powers truly analyze the ancient history of half a day ago.
Title of thread: "Einstein: belief in god childish, jews not chosen"
Now, the post you seemed to be responding to was this one:
USpolitics.tribe.net/thread/...ad4442d2
By cDub, who said:
<< no cornel you're not getting it. this private letter appears DEFINITIVE:
"For me the Jewish religion like all others is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions," he said.>>
Now your post, to which I was responding to before this one, was here:
USpolitics.tribe.net/thread/...15fdc3ad
And in this one you said;
<<Einstein to his last day on earth was a huge Israel supporter. So.........yeah. Whatever.>>
This would apparently be disagreement with cDub's argument (though of course your "So....yeah. Whatever" is so limp-wristed that it can be re-interpreted by you to save face, to mean just about anything or nothing).
cDubs argument, however, doesn't appear to have anything to do with Israel at all and is concentrating on Einstein's views of the "chosen people" myth of Judaism, and the religion itself. So it seems as if you believe Einstein's support of Israel contradicts cDub's Einstein quotes... somehow. As if Israel = Judaism = Jews and it's all the same thing.
But, now's your chance to claim that your "So......yeah. Whatever" was actually a political dissertation or something, and how your bringing up Israel was really just an offhand comment that had nothing to do with your argument because you're never, ever wrong. Go on, you know you want to. -
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Re: einstein: belief in god childish, jews not chosen
Tue, May 13, 2008 - 10:27 PMEinstein was an amateur violinist. . .he was quoted as saying that the reason he declined to serve as Israeli pm was that it wouldn't leave enough time to play the violin. .
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Re: einstein: belief in god childish, jews not chosen
Wed, May 14, 2008 - 4:02 AM<Yes Andrew, we all know you're the smartest AND toughest internet guy around!>
Yes. There you go again. You just can't help yourself from putting words in other people's mouths (or texts in this case), and then getting all angry based upon YOUR opinion of what they said, and then CONTINUING your stupidity based upon YOUR imagination.
I never said that I was " the smartest AND toughest internet guy around!". You did. So, why get all up in a'fluster about what YOU think that I said? How is that intelligent? In my life, I have noticed that the less intelligent people say less intelligent things, and these same people tend to have some kind of need to INVENT what others say in order to have some kind of feeling of righteous indignation that they feed on in order to stay angry. They do this instead of thinking.
You should try to READ what I write, not INVENT what I meant.
<<<Where did I say anything about his views or MY views on any "chosen people"? >>
<...That was the topic of the thread.>
WHAT!!!!!??????? No it was not. How can you say that!? See what I mean!? How can anyone that is at all intelligent think this!? Let's again see what the topic of the thread was, shall we? The topic was, "einstein: belief in god childish, jews not chosen". Not 'Andrew thinks that the Jews are a chosen people'. So, when you say, "...That was the topic of the thread.", you don't know that you're stupidity is evidenced right there - plain as day.
All I said about it was, "Einstein to his last day on earth was a huge Israel supporter. So.........yeah. Whatever." I said NOTHING about MY beliefs on the subject - because MY BELIEFS were not relevant.
Here's your response: "Oh, right. And supporting Israel means he actually does believe Jews are the chosen people? Yeah, whatever."
Where'd you get that? Your response has NOTHING to do with what I said. I never said that. Yet - you IMAGINED that I said that. Why? Why did you just go and put INTO what I write something that I DID NOT write? Why? What's your purpose? Do you know that you're doing this? I doubt it.
But - here - YOU YOURSELF admit that you don't know what I was referring to:
"This would apparently be disagreement with cDub's argument"
Here, you guess what I was referring to...........................surprise, I was referring to the MAIN TOPIC, not cD. I don't usually even read cD's statements,so what he said is not even relevant.
You could have ASKED me what I meant, and I would have responded politely and told you. But, no - you just ASSUMED (as you usually do), and; as usual, you got your assumption wrong.
Yet you go on: "(though of course your "So....yeah. Whatever" is so limp-wristed that it can be re-interpreted by you to save face, to mean just about anything or nothing)."
EXXXXXXXXXXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!! IT could "mean just about anything or nothing"!!!!!!!!!! YESSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!
You YOURSELF recognized that it could "mean just about anything or nothing", yet you CHOSE to assign your own inference to it, the most negative that you could come up with!!!!!!!! HA!!!!!!!
<But, now's your chance to claim that your "So......yeah. Whatever" was actually a political dissertation or something, >
No. It was a comment on the main context of the thread. If you had asked, I would have told you that.
<and how your bringing up Israel was really just an offhand comment that had nothing to do with your argument because you're never, ever wrong.>
A) Yes, it WAS "really just an offhand comment that had nothing to do" with cD's assuredly ignorant comment OR my argument.
B) I am sometimes wrong, but in this case.......................you're the one that is wrong.
but, will you be able to recognize it?
Personally (if you wish to know), I do not at this time believe in any one supreme being. I do not believe in any texts from THOUSANDS of years ago, and no thinking person should, in my opinion. So, that Einstein thought that the Jews were not the Chosen People? Yeah? So what? How is that relevant? Anyone that knows anything about Einstein knows this. An adult should not get to this time of their life and not know this fact.
I think that Adam said it best, "But saying that, the Jews are my people. I stand proudly with Einstein on that."
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Re: einstein: belief in god childish, jews not chosen
Thu, May 15, 2008 - 7:55 AM<<
Yes. There you go again. You just can't help yourself from putting words in other people's mouths (or texts in this case), and then getting all angry based upon YOUR opinion of what they said, and then CONTINUING your stupidity based upon YOUR imagination.
I never said that I was " the smartest AND toughest internet guy around!".>>
Andrew, is there some genetic defect you have that forces you to concoct lame strawman arguments all the time?
No, you never said: "I am the smartest and toughest." Gosh, you're so right, because obviously my point was that at one point, you did in fact literally say those exact words. Oh wait it wasn't, and you're a dumbass for thinking it was.
<<You did. So, why get all up in a'fluster about what YOU think that I said? How is that intelligent? In my life, I have noticed that the less intelligent people say less intelligent things, and these same people tend to have some kind of need to INVENT what others say in order to have some kind of feeling of righteous indignation that they feed on in order to stay angry. They do this instead of thinking.>>
See, this is your way of trying to say I don't think and am not intelligent. I.E., you're the smartest internet guy.
We already know how tough you are since you can make threats against people's families, over the internet.
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You should try to READ what I write, not INVENT what I meant. >>>
Unfortunately for you, I can read what you write. That is why we are having this little problem.
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<<<Where did I say anything about his views or MY views on any "chosen people"? >>
<...That was the topic of the thread.>
WHAT!!!!!??????? No it was not. How can you say that!? See what I mean!? How can anyone that is at all intelligent think this!? Let's again see what the topic of the thread was, shall we? The topic was, "einstein: belief in god childish, jews not chosen". Not 'Andrew thinks that the Jews are a chosen people'. So, when you say, "...That was the topic of the thread.", you don't know that you're stupidity is evidenced right there - plain as day. >>
Uh, genius, the topic is EINSTEINS VIEWS. You asked me "WHERE DID I SAY ANYTHING ABOUT HIS", with "HIS" meaning EINSTEIN,
Incidentally, it's "your" and not "you're" stupidity.
Talk about shooting yourself in the foot. You didn't even read what YOU wrote. And then you wrote some more stupid shit. All the while thinking you were proving how stupid someone ELSE was. Ha.
Have some crow. Maybe it'll make you even smarter.
<<All I said about it was, "Einstein to his last day on earth was a huge Israel supporter. So.........yeah. Whatever." I said NOTHING about MY beliefs on the subject - because MY BELIEFS were not relevant.
Here's your response: "Oh, right. And supporting Israel means he actually does believe Jews are the chosen people? Yeah, whatever."
Where'd you get that? Your response has NOTHING to do with what I said. I never said that. Yet - you IMAGINED that I said that. Why? Why did you just go and put INTO what I write something that I DID NOT write? Why? What's your purpose? Do you know that you're doing this? I doubt it.
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I didn't IMAGINE you said that, Andrew, I did this little thing called THINKING and READING. See Andrew, I'm going to tell you a secret. A man - or a pussy bitch, like you - doesn't have to say, "I am making a threat against your family!" to make a threat against someone's family. Nor is it required to say "I am the toughest guy around" for one to come across as an arrogant internet bully-tough-guy-wannabe. Nor do you have to say "Einstein supported Israel, therefore his comments about the Jews not being the chosen people or a belief in god being childish, are incorrect, since supporting Israel means you believe Jews are the chosen people and that a belief in God is not at all childish" for that to OBVIOUSLY be the point you were making,
If not, what point were you making. That you can make irrelevant comments, that refute or reply to nothing, and which were designed to be so ambiguous, vague and ineffectual as to be meaningless? So that if anyone responds to them, you can always be right no matter what?
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EXXXXXXXXXXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!! IT could "mean just about anything or nothing"!!!!!!!!!! YESSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!
You YOURSELF recognized that it could "mean just about anything or nothing", yet you CHOSE to assign your own inference to it, the most negative that you could come up with!!!!!!!! HA!!!!!!! >>
Oh, OK. I see then. So, you weren't actually refuting cDub's comments at all. Thanks for clarifying that you were in fact threadjacking.
Whatever. I don't mind people who make dumbass arguments, what gets me is when you're dishonest about what you've said, what others have said, and you just continue to lie as if that will somehow change a thing. Kind of like when I said you had vicarious rape thrills (Apparently that offended you) and you replied "LIKE WITH YOUR FAMILY?" as if making threats against my family somehow vindicated your impugned morality.
Yeah, it's the dishonest dumbasses that are the least tolerable. You're too stupid to see how amusing your self contradictions are, and you think everyone else is also too stupid to see through your obvious and predictable 'arguments.' Then you lie, lie, lie in order to avoid ever having to admit you're wrong.
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A) Yes, it WAS "really just an offhand comment that had nothing to do" with cD's assuredly ignorant comment OR my argument. >>
You keep telling yourself that. Clearly you need to. No one here is convinced, though. You were obviously trying to refute cDub's "ignorant" comment, which is why you responded TO that post, and you thought that Einstein supporting Israel was a contradiction of what cDub said.
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Re: einstein: belief in god childish, jews not chosen
Thu, May 15, 2008 - 6:47 PM<See, this is your way of trying to say I don't think and am not intelligent. I.E., you're the smartest internet guy. >
No. But, I am smart enough not to be your degree of dumbass. There's a difference. Your issue here is that one must be smart enough to RECOGNIZE the difference.
<"Einstein supported Israel, therefore his comments about the Jews not being the chosen people or a belief in god being childish, are incorrect, since supporting Israel means you believe Jews are the chosen people and that a belief in God is not at all childish" for that to OBVIOUSLY be the point you were making,>
Cause and effect stupidity. You KNOW what I think, 'eh? That must make you a psychic. Hey - what are the numbers for the Super Lotto? I hear that it's pretty high this week.
<You were obviously trying to refute cDub's "ignorant" comment, ...>
Man. The Psycho speaks. Oops, I meant 'Psychic'.
<Really Andrew, how smart do you actually think you are? Because YOU'RE a fucking dumbass piece of shit. (And you're a pussy bitch who makes threats against people's families.)>
If that was a picture, it'd be suitable for framing.
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Re: einstein: belief in god childish, jews not chosen
Tue, May 13, 2008 - 10:49 PMcDub:
> "For me the Jewish religion like all others is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions," he said.
Yep, agree with that.
James:
> > "And the Jewish people to whom I gladly belong and with whose mentality I have a deep affinity have no different quality for me than all other people."
> (i.e. Jews are no better, no worse than anyone else, including Palestinians.)
And again, this is where I stand. The Jews are no better, nor any worse, than anyone else. People are people.
But saying that, the Jews are my people.
I stand proudly with Einstein on that.
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Re: einstein: belief in god childish, jews not chosen
Tue, May 13, 2008 - 12:29 PMwell the Jedi thought Annakin Skywalker was the chosen one, and look how that turned out..
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Re: einstein: belief in god childish, jews not chosen
Tue, May 13, 2008 - 6:59 PMI was about to post this article myself.
According to the article I have (same topic, different agency), this is what Einstein said (in essence) in this letter. Everything in quotes is what Einstein said. Anything in brackets are my comments.
In it (this letter), the renowned scientist, who DECLINED AN INVITATION to become Israel's second president, rejected the idea that the Jews are God's chosen people.
>"And the Jewish people to whom I gladly belong and with whose mentality I have a deep affinity have no different quality for me than all other people."
(i.e. Jews are no better, no worse than anyone else, including Palestinians.)
>"The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish."
>"For me the Jewish religion like all others is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions," (Einstein) said.
>"As far as my experience goes, they (Jews) are no better than other human groups, although they are protected from the worst cancers by a lack of power (until recently). Otherwise I cannot see anything 'chosen' about them."
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Re: Hebrew Crunk~!!!
Tue, May 13, 2008 - 8:40 PMthe problem with the Jewish religion thinking they are the chosen people is: they aren't the only ones mentioned in the Torah to be "chosen".....The Israelites were....which means All 12 tribes...not just one of the 12. The tribe of Judah was only 1 tribe out of 12 Israelites...
Yeah, the Jews assimilated the tribe of Benjamin into its own...but there are 10 other tribes out there...that were "lost"...which is another word for intermingled into other races...I mean, lets face it, they go South and they are mixing with Africans, they go East and they are mixing with Asians, they go North and West..Caucasians.
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Re: Hebrew Crunk~!!!
Wed, May 14, 2008 - 4:29 AMOne other problem is its all a bunch of superstitious horseshit based on myths. The only thing we're all related to is whatever group of homosapiens who first emerged out of east africa like 150,000 years ago (iirc). Certainly not some tribes out of the fertile crescent area from a few thousand years ago. -
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Re: Hebrew Crunk~!!!
Wed, May 14, 2008 - 4:34 AMI think the current theory states they we all evolved from one group of San Bushmen
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Re: Hebrew Crunk~!!!
Wed, May 14, 2008 - 7:20 AM<One other problem is its all a bunch of superstitious horseshit based on myths. The only thing we're all related to is whatever group of homosapiens who first emerged out of east africa like 150,000 years ago (iirc). Certainly not some tribes out of the fertile crescent area from a few thousand years ago>
The bible gives no location or time for the origin of man. -
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Re: Hebrew Crunk~!!!
Wed, May 14, 2008 - 11:59 AMFeel free to believe in magic. I really don't care. But its a bunch of bulllshit.
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Re: einstein: belief in god childish, jews not chosen
Wed, May 14, 2008 - 7:19 AMEinstein was Theistic in everything else he wrote, so this is either a fake or he meant to speak against the Jewish faith specifically
"I want to know God's thoughts; the rest are details."
"Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one."
"The only real valuable thing is intuition."
"A person starts to live when he can live outside himself."
"I am convinced that He (God) does not play dice."
"God is subtle but he is not malicious."
"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind."
"God does not care about our mathematical difficulties. He integrates empirically."
"My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind."
"A human being is a part of a whole, called by us _universe_, a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest... a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty."
"Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts." (Sign hanging in Einstein's office at Princeton)
~Albert Einstien
Oh yeah, he was definately a wise man and a spiritual one.
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Re: einstein: belief in god childish, jews not chosen
Wed, May 14, 2008 - 7:29 AMHe also had a major OCD problem. -
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Re: einstein: belief in god childish, jews not chosen
Wed, May 14, 2008 - 7:37 AMcorn uses 1934 infor
against 1950s quotes
corn.....think he mighta learned something on the way to cause him to change his mind???
i used to believe in santa..........hope they dont bring that up -
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Re: einstein: belief in god childish, jews not chosen
Wed, May 14, 2008 - 8:28 AMStephen,
Corn is a troll. I'm starting a new revolution. Its called "Ignoring the troll named Cornel."
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Re: einstein: belief in god childish, jews not chosen
Wed, May 14, 2008 - 11:02 AMRicardo:
> Einstein was Theistic in everything else he wrote, so this is either a fake or he meant to speak against the Jewish faith specifically
> "I am convinced that He (God) does not play dice."
I'd have to look in more details, but it seems Einstein believed in God, but not organized religion.
cDub:
> The only thing we're all related to is whatever group of homosapiens who first emerged out of east africa like 150,000 years ago (iirc). Certainly not some tribes out of the fertile crescent area from a few thousand years ago.
Why don't we take it back a bit further, and include our chimpanzee brothers into this group? :-) -
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Re: einstein: belief in god childish, jews not chosen
Wed, May 14, 2008 - 2:05 PM<I'd have to look in more details, but it seems Einstein believed in God, but not organized religion.
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He has alot in common with Jesus in that respect.
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Re: einstein: belief in god childish, jews not chosen
Wed, May 14, 2008 - 2:11 PM>Why don't we take it back a bit further, and include our chimpanzee brothers into this grou
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