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If this is reality or just a well orchestrated hit job.
The below remarks are attributed to Ron Paul as reprinted from his little news letter:
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Regardless of what the media tell us, most white Americans are not going to believe that they are at fault for what blacks have done to cities across America. The professional blacks may have cowed the elites, but good sense survives at the grass roots. Many more are going to have difficultly avoiding the belief that our country is being destroyed by a group of actual and potential terrorists -- and they can be identified by the color of their skin. This conclusion may not be entirely fair, but it is, for many, entirely unavoidable.
Indeed, it is shocking to consider the uniformity of opinion among blacks in this country. Opinion polls consistently show that only about 5% of blacks have sensible political opinions, i.e. support the free market, individual liberty, and the end of welfare and affirmative action.... Given the inefficiencies of what D.C. laughingly calls the "criminal justice system," I think we can safely assume that 95% of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal.
If similar in-depth studies were conducted in other major cities, who doubts that similar results would be produced? We are constantly told that it is evil to be afraid of black men, but it is hardly irrational. Black men commit murders, rapes, robberies, muggings, and burglaries all out of proportion to their numbers.
Perhaps the L.A. experience should not be surprising. The riots, burning, looting, and murders are only a continuation of 30 years of racial politics. The looting in L.A. was the welfare state without the voting booth. The elite have sent one message to black America for 30 years: you are entitled to something for nothing. That's what blacks got on the streets of L.A. for three days in April. Only they didn't ask their Congressmen to arrange the transfer
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Ouch: www.dailykos.com/story/200...124912/740
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Either Paul was lying when he admitted to writing those words, or he was telling a belated and convenient lie when he claimed that they were ghost written by an unnamed staffer. Either way, Paul is a liar. Further, he has repeatedly refused media requests to release all of his newsletters. (Paul published the Ron Paul Political Report from 1985 to 1992, then changed the newsletter's name to the Ron Paul Survival Report in 1993.)
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Ouch: www.bluehampshire.com/showDiary.do
groups.google.com/group/soc...d3662b0fa5
www.chron.com/CDA/archives/archive.mpl
www.whereistheoutrage.net/wordp...-paul/
www.care2.com/news/member...57576/583106
thesaloon.net/blog/_archi...2963953.html
The below remarks are attributed to Ron Paul as reprinted from his little news letter:
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Regardless of what the media tell us, most white Americans are not going to believe that they are at fault for what blacks have done to cities across America. The professional blacks may have cowed the elites, but good sense survives at the grass roots. Many more are going to have difficultly avoiding the belief that our country is being destroyed by a group of actual and potential terrorists -- and they can be identified by the color of their skin. This conclusion may not be entirely fair, but it is, for many, entirely unavoidable.
Indeed, it is shocking to consider the uniformity of opinion among blacks in this country. Opinion polls consistently show that only about 5% of blacks have sensible political opinions, i.e. support the free market, individual liberty, and the end of welfare and affirmative action.... Given the inefficiencies of what D.C. laughingly calls the "criminal justice system," I think we can safely assume that 95% of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal.
If similar in-depth studies were conducted in other major cities, who doubts that similar results would be produced? We are constantly told that it is evil to be afraid of black men, but it is hardly irrational. Black men commit murders, rapes, robberies, muggings, and burglaries all out of proportion to their numbers.
Perhaps the L.A. experience should not be surprising. The riots, burning, looting, and murders are only a continuation of 30 years of racial politics. The looting in L.A. was the welfare state without the voting booth. The elite have sent one message to black America for 30 years: you are entitled to something for nothing. That's what blacks got on the streets of L.A. for three days in April. Only they didn't ask their Congressmen to arrange the transfer
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Ouch: www.dailykos.com/story/200...124912/740
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Either Paul was lying when he admitted to writing those words, or he was telling a belated and convenient lie when he claimed that they were ghost written by an unnamed staffer. Either way, Paul is a liar. Further, he has repeatedly refused media requests to release all of his newsletters. (Paul published the Ron Paul Political Report from 1985 to 1992, then changed the newsletter's name to the Ron Paul Survival Report in 1993.)
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Ouch: www.bluehampshire.com/showDiary.do
groups.google.com/group/soc...d3662b0fa5
www.chron.com/CDA/archives/archive.mpl
www.whereistheoutrage.net/wordp...-paul/
www.care2.com/news/member...57576/583106
thesaloon.net/blog/_archi...2963953.html
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Re: If I were a Paulie - - I'd really want to know
Tue, January 8, 2008 - 8:34 AMRon Paul's Race Problem
Posted by Ryan Sager
Wed, 16 May 2007 at 5:00 PM
updated 5:03 PM
A D V E R T I S E M E N T
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For all those getting really excited about anti-war, libertarian Republican Ron Paul, it's worth noting that he's pretty racist and also an anti-Semite.
The Houston Chronicle story linked above contains quotes from a newsletter Mr. Paul put out in the 1980s and 1990s. It includes quotes referring to blacks as crime-prone and "fleet-footed."
Mr. Paul also wrote that "By far the most powerful lobby in Washington of the bad sort is the Israeli government" and that the goal of the Zionist movement is to stifle criticism.
(via Wonkette)
Below are two more news clips making reference to the racist statements in Mr. Paul's newsletter. These problems have clearly been out there since the mid-1990s, but Mr. Paul has been below the radar until now. If he's really going to stay in the debates, perhaps the moderators can deal with this...
Candidate Had Newsletter With Controversial Stance On Blacks
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24 May 1996
CongressDaily/A.M.
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Copyright (c) 1996 National Journal Inc.
A 1992 political newsletter by former Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, included portrayals of African-Americans as inclined toward crime and lacking sense about political issues, the Houston Chronicle reported Thursday. Paul, a former Libertarian Party presidential candidate who defeated Democratic-turned-Republican Rep. Greg Laughlin in the March primary, in November will face Democratic attorney Charles (Lefty) Morris, whose campaign is distributing Paul's writings. Under the headline "Terrorist Update," Paul reported on gang crime in Los Angeles and wrote, "If you have ever been robbed by a black teenaged male, you know how unbelievably fleet-footed they can be." About blacks in Washington, D.C., Paul wrote, "I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal." Paul said Wednesday that his comments came in the context of "current events and statistical reports of the time," and that he opposes racism.
In later newsletters, Paul wrote that lobbying groups who seek special favors are evil, and that "by far the most powerful lobby in Washington of the bad sort is the Israeli government."
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Newsletter by Paul attacked
Associated Press
329 words
24 May 1996
San Antonio Express-News
English
(Copyright 1996)
A 1992 newsletter by Republican congressional candidate Ron Paul highlighted portrayals of blacks as criminally inclined and lacking sense about top political issues.
Reporting on gang crime in Los Angeles, Paul commented: "If you have ever been robbed by a black teen-aged male, you know how unbelievably fleet-footed they can be."
Paul, a Surfside obstetrician who won the GOP nomination in the 14th District runoff by defeating incumbent Rep. Greg Laughlin, said Wednesday he opposed racism.
He said his written commentaries about blacks came in the context of "current events and statistical reports of the time."
Paul's Democratic opponent, Charles "Lefty" Morris, said many of Paul's views were "out there on the fringe" and that this fall voters would judge his commentaries.
Morris' campaign distributed selected writings by Paul this week.
Paul, a former congressman and one-time Libertarian presidential nominee, said allegations about his writings amounted to name-calling by the Democrats.
He said he'd produced the newsletter since 1985 and distributes it to an estimated 7,000 to 8,000 subscribers.
Writing in his independent political newsletter in 1992, Paul commented about black men in the nation's capital.
Citing statistics from a 1992 study produced by the National Center on Incarceration and Alternatives, a criminal justice think tank based in Virginia, Paul concluded in his column:
"Given the inefficiencies of what DC laughingly calls the criminal justice system, I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal."
"These aren't my figures," Paul said this week. "That is the assumption you can gather from" the report.
He also wrote: "Opinion polls consistently show that only about 5 percent of blacks have sensible political opinions, i.e. support the free market, individual liberty and the end of welfare and affirmative action."
Paul continued that politically sensible blacks are outnumbered "as decent people."
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I don't know who Ryan Sager is here's a google page on him.
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Re: If I were a Paulie - - I'd really want to know
Tue, January 8, 2008 - 8:40 AMAll you have to do is keep repeating "The Constitution" and all else can be forgotten.....
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Re: If I were a Paulie - - I'd really want to know
Tue, January 8, 2008 - 8:44 AMNo no you got that wrong:
It's "ConstitUUUUtion" With a whiny high pitch used to emphasize the "UUU" part. Listening to him is like listening to a European police siren.
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Tue, January 8, 2008 - 8:57 AMha ha. Thanks Cliff. That's more like it!
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Tue, January 8, 2008 - 1:29 PMHis brat has the same annoying verbal style.
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Re: If I were a Paulie - - I'd really want to know
Tue, January 8, 2008 - 9:09 AMIt speaks volumes about our culture that this neanderthal is being supported by sincere young idealistic people who honestly believe that he is a good man who represents integrity and freedom.
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Tue, January 8, 2008 - 9:34 AMIt's too bad that they won't give him enough air time to out all these allegations.
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Tue, January 8, 2008 - 9:36 AMRobin, RP has allied himself to anti-semites, 9/11 moonbats and far right conspiracy cranks. -
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Tue, January 8, 2008 - 9:51 AMFine, let him speak and we'll out him nationally.
Suppressing him just makes him look better.
and I'm still holding back on final conclusions of 9/11 until there's an investigation.
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Tue, January 8, 2008 - 9:51 AMFine, let him speak and we'll out him nationally.
Suppressing him just makes him look better.
and I'm still holding back on final conclusions of 9/11 until there's an investigation.
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Tue, January 8, 2008 - 9:52 AMFine, let him speak and we'll out him nationally.
Suppressing him just makes him look better.
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Tue, January 8, 2008 - 10:45 AMi think a careful examination of the appeal of ron paul is really important, regardless of what we may think of ron paul, there are people who are nuts about him. . .
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Tue, January 8, 2008 - 10:48 AMGeorge Bush, Dick Cheney, and a loss of faith in our Govt
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Tue, January 8, 2008 - 12:07 PM<I'm still holding back on final conclusions of 9/11>
You can repeat it three times, clicking your heels concurrently, but Dorothy, that horseshit left Kansas loooong ago... -
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Tue, January 8, 2008 - 12:17 PMaha! i thought there was something wrong with kansas!
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Re: If I were a Paulie - - I'd really want to know
Tue, January 8, 2008 - 12:48 PMThen they fight you.
Brent, a notorious denier of everything bad, has found himself promoting baseless, exaggerated claims-- exactly what he proports to be against. Surprising? Not at all. The man has an agenda.
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Tue, January 8, 2008 - 1:00 PMNah, I think that RP and his followers have their own agenda....... -
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Tue, January 8, 2008 - 1:22 PMBrent what is your excuse for promoting baseless, exaggerated claims?
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Tue, January 8, 2008 - 1:27 PM<<Brent what is your excuse for promoting baseless, exaggerated claims? >>
What's baseless about it? The fact is his campaign accepted a donation from a known white supremacist with no qualms..
Unless you're going to deny that he accepted this donation, then I wonder what your own motivations are, particularly in the light of your constant anti-semtic tones -
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Tue, January 8, 2008 - 1:31 PMBREAKING NEWS:
Brent is receiving and has received income from Neo-Nazis, child molestors, and convicted criminals. Despite it being a well known fact that criminals and racists purchase his paper, Brent REFUSES to give any of this money back, thereby ENDORSING all the most terrible views of the people that have given him financial support.
BRENT IS A RACIST AND IS IN BED WITH RACISTS!
RACISTS have been known to read Brent's paper, and often share it or reproduce the articles for other RACISTS to read. Brent is alligned with racists!!! -
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Re: If I were a Paulie - - I'd really want to know
Tue, January 8, 2008 - 1:46 PM
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Re: If I were a Paulie - - I'd really want to know
Tue, January 8, 2008 - 1:55 PMdid ron paul accept money from a known white supremacist?
Yes or No
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Tue, January 8, 2008 - 2:07 PMLet's say he did (and he may well have). Do you want him to give it back?
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Tue, January 8, 2008 - 2:08 PMBrent was he being fucked with?
Yes.
Maybe it was a set up to stain his name.... what do we know about this White Supremacist?
Just keep picking on the little things and ignore the big ones.... we'll see how far that gets us.
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Tue, January 8, 2008 - 2:10 PMBrent, I'm going to start a chip-in for you to redonate all the money you have recieved from terrible people.
In the spirit of fairness, we'll impose a 'statute of limitations' of about 3 years. But everything for the last 3 years needs to be returned.
I expect you to cough up atleast $1000 to show that you are serious about denouncing the racists and criminals that have provided for your income.
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Re: If I were a Paulie - - I'd really want to know
Tue, January 8, 2008 - 2:18 PMYea really..... How many corrupt people DO we accept money from in terms of commerce?
Your merely looking at the flakes on Ron Paul's suit Brent. That is not his full substance.
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Re: If I were a Paulie - - I'd really want to know
Tue, January 8, 2008 - 1:46 PM
Sean, do you think that these quotes are made up?
Do you think that RP DID NOT make these statements?
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Tue, January 8, 2008 - 1:04 PM************It's too bad that they won't give him enough air time to out all these allegations. ************
Bullshit.
You know as well as anyone O' Robin of Loxey, that if the Paul campaign asked for some air time to "explain" the allegations arising from the
old news letters that the Media would leap at it.
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Tue, January 8, 2008 - 1:37 PMactually it these quotes have all been attributed to writers on the paper's staff who were subsequently fired after making those remarks.
www.freemarketnews.com/WorldNews.asp
which we've actually also covered in this tribe on numerous occasions....this is old news about someone trying to make RP look bad by bringing up stuff written in the 80 in a newsletter he published but was written by someone else.....
here is something he REALLY wrote about race....
www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul68.html
continue the smear campaign, you all know that RP just scares the shit out of the GOP and Dems alike, because he is saying stuff that people want to hear, which is another reason that a lot of people like him........Name a candidate who has a better shot at pres sayiing that we should withdraw immediately from Iraq...name one that says we shouldn't be the world police....name one that says 9-11 was a direct result of us sticking our nose in business that doesn't concern us (the ME)....name one that is for state's rights (which would allow freedoms like medicinal marijuana)
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Tue, January 8, 2008 - 1:49 PM<actually it these quotes have all been attributed to writers on the paper's staff who were subsequently fired after making those remarks. >
OK. So, let me get this straight:
He has numerous people on his staff that seem to feel for some reason that it is OK to put out such racist bullshit - and RP only finds out that they are racist AFTER they publish these things?
RP is the darling of the White Supremacists, but it has nothing to do with RP...........
Hmm.......
Got it. No smoke, no fire here, folks...........keep moving..........keep moving.........
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Re: If I were a Paulie - - I'd really want to know
Tue, January 8, 2008 - 2:05 PMYea... and name ONE candidate who is brave enough to take this country out of the hands of International Bankers.
I just can not believe that most people do not see how we have been duped for so long by these Feds????
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Re: If I were a Paulie - - I'd really want to know
Tue, January 8, 2008 - 2:24 PM****************actually it these quotes have all been attributed to writers on the paper's staff who were subsequently fired after making those remarks. *************
Well as appealing as that is it fails to explain the plethora of them and it fails to explain how they were working for Paul.
I mean you can only have so many things like that occur before you have to take a closer hand in things. KMost responsible foplks would have gotten the clue at #2. Paul can't even tell you who those un-named staffers were.
That standing alone is suspicious.
He's been asked over and over for the records and he refuses to discuss it. I think Paul has some answering to do.
If he wants to be President he's going to have to come clean.
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Tue, January 8, 2008 - 2:32 PMYou didn't check the link did you:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
Internet information claiming that presidential candidate Ron Paul (R-TX) is a racist – and made derogatory comments about African Americans - has been making the rounds within the blogosphere. But sources close to the editorial group that published the newsletter (or newsletters) that supposedly carried the comments claim that Ron Paul never had anything to do with them, and wasn’t even aware of them.
These sources say that editorial operation in question was a fairly large one, and profitable for its time - focused in large part on measures that one could take to generate a lifestyle independent of government influence and intervention.
The publication, or publications, comprised a business venture to which Ron Paul lent his name. Headquarters were “60 miles away” from Ron Paul’s personal Texas offices. At the time that the publications were being disseminated, primarily in the 1980s, Ron Paul was involved in numerous activities including Libertarian politics. He eventually ran for U.S. president as a Libertarian.
“This was a big operation,” says one source. “And Ron Paul was a busy man. He was doctor, a politician and free-market commentator. A publication had to go out at a certain time and (get this Cliff) Ron Paul often was not around to oversee the lay out, printing or mailing. Many times he did not participate in the composition, either.”
This source and others add that publications utilized guest writers and editors on a regular basis. Often these guest writers and editors would write a “Ron Paul” column, under which the derogatory comments might have been issued.
Says one source, “(get this Cliff)Ron Paul didn’t know about those comments, or know they were written under his name until much later when they were brought to his attention. There were several issues that went out with comments that he would not ordinarily make. He was angry when he saw them.”
Ron Paul has said that he did not write the comments in question, but, nonetheless, has taken "moral" responsibility for them.
An excerpt from an apparent interview with Texas Monthly as quoted on the blog Everything2.com clarifies the above information as follows:
"In spite of calls from Gary Bledsoe, the president of the Texas State Conference of the NAACP, and other civil rights leaders for an apology for such obvious racial typecasting, Paul stood his ground. He said only that his remarks about Barbara Jordan related to her stands on affirmative action and that his written comments about blacks were in the context of 'current events and statistical reports of the time.' He denied any racist intent. What made the statements in the publication even more puzzling was that, in four terms as a U. S. congressman and one presidential race, Paul had never uttered anything remotely like this.
"When I ask him why, he pauses for a moment, then says, 'I could never say this in the campaign, but those words weren't really written by me. It wasn't my language at all. Other people help me with my newsletter as I travel around. I think the one on Barbara Jordan was the saddest thing, because Barbara and I served together and actually she was a delightful lady.' ...
"His reasons for keeping this a secret are harder to understand: 'They were never my words, but I had some moral responsibility for them . . . I actually really wanted to try to explain that it doesn't come from me directly, but they campaign aides said that's too confusing. "It appeared in your letter and your name was on that letter and therefore you have to live with it." ' It is a measure of his stubbornness, determination, and ultimately his contrarian nature that, until this surprising volte-face in our interview, he had never shared this secret. It seems, in retrospect, that it would have been far, far easier to have told the truth at the time."
The operative sentence in the above would seem to be: “What made the statements in the publication even more puzzling was that, in four terms as a U. S. congressman and one presidential race, Paul had never uttered anything remotely like this.” The remarks may well have been seen as out of character (get this Cliff) because they were not written by Ron Paul, and he had no knowledge of them and no input into their composition, even though he eventually took responsibility for them.
Adds a source aware of the current tempest over these remarks, “Anybody who claims that Ron Paul made the comments in question is deliberately mis-stating what occurred to make political points. It is a measure of [his opponents] desperation that they are dredging this up again. Anybody who reads all that he has written – and there’s lots of it – could see that right away.”
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Tue, January 8, 2008 - 2:32 PMTheres no plethora.
Pure Cliffian mythology.
Either put up, or shut up Cliff. Produce this "plethora" or retract your statements as a deliberate, dishonest smear.
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Tue, January 8, 2008 - 1:34 PMI like what Brian has to say here about Ron Paul: USpolitics.tribe.net/thread/...baa597d0
Ron Paul is being slandered by the mainstream Press because he is threatening big Bankers. Don't believe the Hype. it is B.S. How long are we going to let ourselves be taken for granted of? How long are WE going to keep lining the pockets of Big International FOREIGN Bankers???? How much of your paychecks go to TAXES???? Do you really think you will ever get that back?
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Tue, January 8, 2008 - 2:29 PM*****************on Paul is being slandered by the mainstream Press because he is threatening big Bankers.***********
Conspiracy theorist mumblyfuk nonsense~!!
Paul has the original records from the news letters he published. The fact of them isn't in dispute. Nor apparently is their contents.
It could be disputed if he'd just come clean.
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