Mumia Abu-Jamal on Rev. Wright

topic posted Wed, May 7, 2008 - 3:13 PM by  Steven
Who's Uncle is Really Crazy?
[col. writ. 5/1/08 (c) '08 Mumia Abu-Jamal


When conservative hit-shows first began raising questions about Barack Obama's former pastor, Rev. Dr. Jeremiah Wright, the Democratic candidate essentially played down the relationship, suggesting that Wright was like the 'crazy uncle' common to many families.

Due to the pressure of the 24 hour news cycle, we have come a long way from there, to here.

While Sen. Obama no longer refers to him in this way, it's more than worthwhile to examine just what the Rev. Wright did say, which set off the belfry of mad bats who hold forth from the dark universe of right wing radio and TV commentators.

Among the Rev. Wright's "controversial" comments were these:


"We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye... and now we are indignant, because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought back into our own front yards. America's chickens have come home to roost... Violence begets violence. Hatred begets hatred. And terrorism begets terrorism. A white ambassador said that y'all, not a black militant... An ambassador whose eyes are wide open and who is trying to get us to wake up and move away from this dangerous precipice upon which we are now poised..."

Rev. Wright's words on how America has treated her darker citizens were also termed "controversial. " These are some of them:

"And the United States of America government, when it came to treating her citizens of Indian descent fairly, she failed. She put them on reservations. when it came to treating her citizens of Japanese descent fairly, she failed. She put them in internment prison camps. When it came to treating her citizens of African descent fairly, America failed. She put them in chains, the government put them on auction blocks, put them in cotton fields, put them in inferior schools, put them in substandard housing, put them in scientific experiments, put them in the lowest paying jobs, and put them outside the equal protection of the law, kept them out of their racist bastions of higher education and locked them into positions of hopelessness and helplessness. The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three strike law and then wants us to sing 'God Bless America.' No, no, no, not God Bless America. God damn America-that' s in the Bible - for killing innocent people."

On the role of the U.S. government overseas, Wright preached the following:

"Governments lie. The government lied about the Tuskegee experiment.. . The government lied about bombing Cambodia...The government lied about the drugs for arms Contra scheme orchestrated by Oliver North... The government lied about a connection between Al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein and a connection between 9-11-01 and operation Iraqi Freedom. Governments lie."

I don't know about you, but I've not heard one statement that isn't categorically, historically, and absolutely true. As my good country buddy, Bro. Willie might ask, "What the problem is?"

Obama's response, served up to placate the fascistic right, sounded like an apology: "I reject outright statements by Reverend Wright that are at issue."

The problem isn't that Rev. Wright was crazy, but that he spoke the cold, sober truth. That's the problem.

The US nationalists demand that anyone who states such truths be 'denounced.'

When will a candidate emerge who will denounce imperialism, and the endless ruinous wars against much of the Third World, for the profit of corporations here?

If this election is any measure, no time soon.

Who's uncle is really crazy? Uncle Jeremiah or Uncle Sam?



--(c) '08 maj


Mumia Abu-Jamal is a political prisoner in the United States, for more on his case read:

Top Ten “Fry Mumia” Myths Debunked
(Myth #1) “Five eyewitnesses saw Mumia shoot officer Faulkner.”
indybay.org/newsitems/20.../18436405.php

Also See:
Closing Our Eyes Won’t Make Racial and Ethnic Inequalities Disappear
by STEVEN ARGUE
www.indybay.org/newsitems/...8473855.php

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Steven
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  • Re: Mumia Abu-Jamal on Rev. Wright

    Wed, May 7, 2008 - 4:30 PM
    What do you think of Wrights claim, that Black and White Americans think and learn differently, from each other?
    • Re: Mumia Abu-Jamal on Rev. Wright

      Wed, May 7, 2008 - 4:36 PM

      Dustin asks, "What do you think of Wrights claim, that Black and White Americans think and learn differently, from each other?"

      Before responding to that I'd have to ask you to provide the exact quote and source.
      • Re: Mumia Abu-Jamal on Rev. Wright

        Wed, May 7, 2008 - 4:51 PM

        Well, I think every person thinks and learns differently, for whatever reasons. I think there is probably some differences in how our brains are wired.

        -troy
        • Re: Mumia Abu-Jamal on Rev. Wright

          Wed, May 7, 2008 - 4:56 PM
          "Well, I think every person thinks and learns differently, for whatever reasons. I think there is probably some differences in how our brains are wired."


          You mean based on race or culture?
        • Re: Mumia Abu-Jamal on Rev. Wright

          Wed, May 7, 2008 - 8:27 PM
          <Well, I think every person thinks and learns differently, for whatever reasons. I think there is probably some differences in how our brains are wired. >

          Blacks are better basketball because we come from Africa, where we jumped high to get bananas out of trees. Survival of the fittest, you know?

          Funny how, if Rev Wright talks about racial dfferences, liberal ears perk up --imagine if McCain had said that?
          • Re: Mumia Abu-Jamal on Rev. Wright

            Wed, May 7, 2008 - 8:42 PM
            "Funny how, if Rev Wright talks about racial dfferences, liberal ears perk up --imagine if McCain had said that? "


            Or Jensen, Shockley, and Hernstein. Oh wait, yeah, they were all labeled racists
            • Re: Mumia Abu-Jamal on Rev. Wright

              Wed, May 7, 2008 - 11:42 PM

              The difference is Blacks are oppressed as a race, whites are not.
              • Re: Mumia Abu-Jamal on Rev. Wright

                Wed, May 7, 2008 - 11:47 PM
                So, as a consequence, you are saying that racism, as long as it is coming from a minority, is OK?
                • Re: Mumia Abu-Jamal on Rev. Wright

                  Wed, May 7, 2008 - 11:50 PM
                  Blacks are suppressed somewhere........perhaps by other blacks...

                  but not here..........

                  sorry Steven..........your pity party won't gain you black followers.........

                  just wannabe victims......
                  • This is the maximum depth. Additional responses will not be threaded.

                    Re: Mumia Abu-Jamal on Rev. Wright

                    Wed, May 7, 2008 - 11:53 PM

                    It's just the truth, Glenn and Dustin.

                    The difference is Blacks are oppressed as a race, whites are not.

                    And I still haven't heard anything racist from Wright.
                    • Re: Mumia Abu-Jamal on Rev. Wright

                      Wed, May 7, 2008 - 11:59 PM
                      "It's just the truth, Glenn and Dustin. "

                      I never said racism doesn't exist in America. But that doesn't mean I need to agree with the idea that racism is OK, if it is generated with in a minority community


                      "And I still haven't heard anything racist from Wright."


                      So you think the ideas that black and white people are different, has merits? From Wright's explanation, I couldn't see such a difference being generated by anything besides genetics. Which, without any real research backing such an idea, causes me to label it malarkey
                      • Re: Mumia Abu-Jamal on Rev. Wright

                        Thu, May 8, 2008 - 8:27 AM
                        Steven

                        Yes it is true.......... the poor black race needs a hysterical white savior like you.

                        You imagine yourself as the shirley temple character in some silly movie where the poor victims all look up to you as some benevolent white beacon of hope and change.....

                        the Constant Gardener with Steven in the starring role as Tessa........
      • Re: Mumia Abu-Jamal on Rev. Wright

        Wed, May 7, 2008 - 5:18 PM
        www.youtube.com/watch


        The part relevant to this discussion starts around 5 minutes into the video
        • Re: Mumia Abu-Jamal on Rev. Wright

          Thu, May 8, 2008 - 9:32 AM
          Thanks, Dustin.

          1) Five minutes + of this video confirms me in my impression of Rev. Wright as a pompous gasbag with a voice like a faulty transmission.

          2) The substance of what he's saying (stripped of pulpit-rubbish and gladhanding) is that people are taught (and teach themselves) to perceive "differences." This is not only true, but would be too banal even to mention in an environment where the paltriest differences between people AREN'T violently milked by politicians.

          I hope Obama caught many pleasant hours of sleep in this fellow's church.
        • Re: Mumia Abu-Jamal on Rev. Wright

          Thu, May 8, 2008 - 12:00 PM

          Wright makes some mistakes on this and AIDS. This does not make him a racist. In addition, almost all of what Wright has to say is more truthful than anything Obama. Clinton, McCain, and the corporate media have to say.
          • Re: Mumia Abu-Jamal on Rev. Wright

            Thu, May 8, 2008 - 12:03 PM
            My problem with Wright's statement are that he isn't clear on attributing this difference to culture or race. If he is attributing it to race, with out any type of scientific evidence, then I think it makes him more of an idiot, then anything (only because he goes out of his way to view them on an equal footing.)

            • Re: Mumia Abu-Jamal on Rev. Wright

              Thu, May 8, 2008 - 12:22 PM

              He does seem to be attributing it to race. Likewise, I don't agree with him. I do think the differences in learning between Blacks and whites can be attributed to cultural differences, especially language, and this is part of the importance of Ebonics programs. There is also an importance to integrate more of the real history of this country into history classes by including Black history.
              • Re: Mumia Abu-Jamal on Rev. Wright

                Thu, May 8, 2008 - 12:29 PM
                " I do think the differences in learning between Blacks and whites can be attributed to cultural differences, especially language, and this is part of the importance of Ebonics programs."


                That I can agree with, because culture is something that we develop and are not slaves to.


                "There is also an importance to integrate more of the real history of this country into history classes by including Black history."

                *note: I am not defending the practice*

                I can't think of one country, that I know of, that presents its bad side in the history class. It's just not in their national interest, to do so
                • Re: Mumia Abu-Jamal on Rev. Wright

                  Thu, May 8, 2008 - 4:10 PM
                  There is certainly more than one country offering up potted and politicized versions of its own past. I well remember many baldfaced lies told to me in public school history class. Indeed, in the South, pretty much everything I was told about slavery and Reconstruction turned out to be lies and the causes and political issues of the Civil War were extravagantly misrepresented.

                  To my mind, teaching children lies about their nation's past is among the worst things one can do. It inhibits a realistic view of the society they live in and that causes all manner of mischief.
  • Re: Mumia Abu-Jamal on Rev. Wright

    Thu, May 8, 2008 - 9:37 AM
    I'm sure that Mumia also believes the US created AIDS to kill blacks too
    • Re: Mumia Abu-Jamal on Rev. Wright

      Thu, May 8, 2008 - 12:14 PM

      I've never seen anything Mumia has written on origins of AIDS.

      The same government that locked Mumia up on false charges was ignoring the growing AIDS epidemic at that same time and letting Gays, Haitians, and others die, as well as letting the disease spred.

      The only problem with Rev. Wright's position is that it is not backed up by any evidence. It's not that this government hasn't done other horrible things with diseases to kill Black people, such as the Tuskegee Experiments.

      The actual evidence shows that AIDS was transferred from chimps to humans by the pharmaceutical industry when they conducted reckless experiments on polio vaccines that were carried out in Africa in the 1950's using the Black population as guinea pigs.
      • Re: Mumia Abu-Jamal on Rev. Wright

        Thu, May 8, 2008 - 12:19 PM
        "The actual evidence shows that AIDS was transferred from chimps to humans by the pharmaceutical industry when they conducted reckless experiments on polio vaccines that were carried out in Africa in the 1950's using the Black population as guinea pigs."


        That theory was debunked when they tested original samples of the vaccine
        • Re: Mumia Abu-Jamal on Rev. Wright

          Thu, May 8, 2008 - 12:35 PM

          Dustin says, "That theory was debunked when they tested original samples of the vaccine"

          Just a couple years ago the company involved was refusing to allow their vaccine samples to be tested. What is your source Dustin? Even if what you say is true, the amount of vaccine given out in Africa was huge, so this makes me doubt that a negative test would really yield conclusive results. In addition, those involved in these experiments were proven to be lying when they claimed Chimps were not used, so I question the validity of any samples that were being held by this same company.

          Where the experiments were done was the epicenter of where the AIDS epidemic started. The timing was also right. Although it was denied, it has been proven though interviews with workers, that Chimps were used in making the vaccines used.

          Here's some more info on this:
          www.uow.edu.au/arts/sts/b...ments/AIDS/
          • Re: Mumia Abu-Jamal on Rev. Wright

            Thu, May 8, 2008 - 12:52 PM
            "Just a couple years ago the company involved was refusing to allow their vaccine samples to be tested. What is your source Dustin?"


            It was a debunking they did in Nature, the science journal and not the news page. Unfortunately, I don't have an account, but if you go to any major library, you should be able to get access through theirs.


            "Even if what you say is true, the amount of vaccine given out in Africa was huge, so this makes me doubt that a negative test would really yield conclusive results."

            If I remember right, the sample that was tested didn't contain any genetic material from chimps, which is an integral part of the theory


            "In addition, those involved in these experiments were proven to be lying when they claimed Chimps were not used, so I question the validity of any samples that were being held by this same company."


            Well, I would doubt any company being truthful on such a matter. Could you imagine the potential lawsuits?


            "Where the experiments were done was the epicenter of where the AIDS epidemic started. The timing was also right. Although it was denied, it has been proven though interviews with workers, that Chimps were used in making the vaccines used."

            Can you post a link to some of these testimonies?

            PS that page you posted is put together by a Social Scientist. Not one I would look at as an expert in the field