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Re: At what point does Colbert and the Daily Show
Sat, July 19, 2008 - 9:29 PMsorry to burst your bubble but ever since the first televised debate of jfk and nixon....there have been some sort of talk show that has satired politicians to some degree..... so the Colbert Report and the Daily show are just doing what their predecessors have done before them. -
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Re: At what point does Colbert and the Daily Show
Sat, July 19, 2008 - 11:37 PM>> so the Colbert Report and the Daily show are just doing what their predecessors have done before them. <<
yeah. but politicians are showing up as guests on the show. and dimwitted macintrash snots are driving around with their little Colbert for president bumperstickers. you have pasty white brats bragging that the Daily Show is their primary source of news.
so what happens when the satire of the institution starts becoming part of the institution?
my opinion. I think it is easy to hate big tobacco and big oil. you know faceless corporations that don't provide an outlet for morons to glue themselves to the tube and laugh themselves useless. but what about big entertainment. you know the same sector of the economy that sells teenage girls impossible body types and teenage boys on behaving like thugs? what about the sector of the economy that no longer informs people but instead provides bullshit fake news like Nancy Grace?
but you see that kind of introspection would require the kind of honest self-appraisal of our complicity with everything that is wrong with government that just doesn't fit with the whole fake image that everything would be fine if we could just wrest the economy away from all those hateful white guys that run the machine. -
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Re: At what point does Colbert and the Daily Show
Sat, July 19, 2008 - 11:58 PMso what happens when the satire of the institution starts becoming part of the institution?
A favorite in the Oval Office and Cabinet Room.
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"I have my veto pen drawn and ready for any tax increase that Congress might even think of sending up. And I have only one thing to say to the tax increasers. Go ahead--make my day."
www.time.com/time/magazi...4091,00.html
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Re: At what point does Colbert and the Daily Show
Sun, July 20, 2008 - 9:25 PMYoni: but politicians are showing up as guests on the show.
One of my recent favorites, as Stewart refuses to accept Doug Feith's elaborate apologist excuses for the way we were misled into war.
www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml
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Re: At what point does Colbert and the Daily Show
Sun, July 20, 2008 - 9:29 PM
>> If this isn't real TV, I don't know what is. <<
you don't know what is. -
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Sun, July 20, 2008 - 9:41 PMPeople telling the truth on TV is so unusual that many don't even recognize it. -
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Re: At what point does Colbert and the Daily Show
Sun, July 20, 2008 - 9:45 PM>> People telling the truth on TV is so unusual that many don't even recognize it. <<
the new truth unfolding in front of a studio audience. well... seems good enough to convince you. I guess that's all that matters.
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Re: At what point does Colbert and the Daily Show
Sat, July 19, 2008 - 9:30 PM<get big enough and influential enough to be recognized as part of the problem>
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Sat, July 19, 2008 - 9:36 PM{le Point - the Cone of Confabulation}
Obliscence, Theories of Forgetting and the Problem of Matter by Geoffrey Sonnabend
An Encapsulation by Valentine Worth
(1) being involved in an experience
(2) remembering an experience
(3) having forgotten an experience.
www.mjt.org/exhibits/delson/oblisci.html
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Re: At what point does Colbert and the Daily Show
Sat, July 19, 2008 - 10:02 PMWhat problem? Did the Colbert and Daily Shows invade Iraq? Did they leverage Fannie and Freddie up 65-1? Did they decide to pump up the biggest financial bubble in world history? -
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Re: At what point does Colbert and the Daily Show
Sat, July 19, 2008 - 11:39 PM
nope. they started as satire. and then the fake news became the news when real politicians started becoming guests. so now it is in this weird limbo where it is an insider with an outsider's status. -
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Re: At what point does Colbert and the Daily Show
Sat, July 19, 2008 - 11:46 PMTDS is hardly the first comedy show to get "serious" political guests. Far as I can tell they're one of the best news sources on teevee. Don't tell me your average Fox-CNN-MSNBC-CBS news show is real news cuz it ain't.
In any case I don't watch teevee anymore, its bad for your brain. Any good bits make their way onto YouTube within hours. -
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Sat, July 19, 2008 - 11:50 PM
<<In any case I don't watch teevee anymore, its bad for your brain.>>
aha, i told ya. months ago. (finally it's starting to sink in?...)
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Sun, July 20, 2008 - 12:05 AM>> Far as I can tell they're one of the best news sources on teevee. <<
yeah. much better than News Hour and Frontline... or BBC. or all the other boring shit that actually informs people.
>> Don't tell me your average Fox-CNN-MSNBC-CBS news show is real news cuz it ain't. <<
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Re: At what point does Colbert and the Daily Show
Sun, July 20, 2008 - 12:24 AMI can read a lot more hard news in 1 hour on the web reading FT, BBC, etc. websites than you can watching powdered corpses like Lehrer read off a teleprompter but thats just me.
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Re: At what point does Colbert and the Daily Show
Sun, July 20, 2008 - 5:01 PM>> I can read a lot more hard news in 1 hour on the web reading FT, BBC, etc. websites than you can watching powdered corpses like Lehrer read off a teleprompter but thats just me. <<
you can get a pretty quick synopsis. but there is a difference between a snippet off the BBC website and devoting an hour or so to reading an article or watching say an hour of frontlilne.
>> You go ahead and waste time watching the boob tube. <<
I don't. I usually catch News Hour on the radio. nice try though. always a pleasure to shoot down your preconceived notions. -
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Re: At what point does Colbert and the Daily Show
Sun, July 20, 2008 - 6:04 PMI listen to the BBC UK online while I'm reading the world's best newspaper the Financial Times along with various other sources. Try to beat an hour of that for being informed. You cannot.
Face it Yoni all you have is passive-aggressive snarks. I have yet to learn one single new fact from any of your posts. Its like 99% hyperbole. -
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Re: At what point does Colbert and the Daily Show
Sun, July 20, 2008 - 6:37 PM>> I listen to the BBC UK online while I'm reading the world's best newspaper the Financial Times along with various other sources. Try to beat an hour of that for being informed. You cannot. <<
it's great. never said it wasn't.
but you continue to ignore the fact that for government to work, we need to know what the hell is going on... it is one thing for you and the rest of the geese to squawk angrily about how the government no longer represents the people. but you scratch the scab and it becomes increasingly clear how completely ignorant you all seem to be about how things actually work.
which feeds back into the point I'm making that the removal of the LOCAL daily newspaper from our daily diet is only going to exacerbate this disconnect... making people feel even less relevant and more frustrated. as I've posted before, the average citizen exercises way more power when they vote for their city and state representatives as opposed to the president. I guess you're just too stubborn and ignorant to realize (let alone acknowledge) the profound implications of a population that is growing ever more disconnected from how the practical world functions.
>> Face it Yoni all you have is passive-aggressive snarks. I have yet to learn one single new fact from any of your posts. Its like 99% hyperbole. <<
well I guess your hyperbole showed me the errors of my ways. yet here you dropping this little turd in the pool instead of ignoring my thread. I'll just chalk this up as yet another contradiction in the daily farce that is your life... but thanks for the feedback. you're certainly entitled to your opinion. don't be surprised if I give it the attention it deserves. -
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Re: At what point does Colbert and the Daily Show
Sun, July 20, 2008 - 10:18 PM<< the removal of the LOCAL daily newspaper from our daily diet is only going to exacerbate this disconnect >>
LA is wracking itself over this very issue, what with the problems over at the TIMES. The plight of local journalism is just one more sorry outcome of the decline of community in general that's been widely deplored for years. Some of this is the inevitable result of the dislocations of the last six decades.
<< the profound implications of a population that is growing ever more disconnected from how the practical world functions. >>
In their place will rush (indeed, *is* rushing) a whole catalog of myths and bonehead ideology.
Funny how close much of what you say comes to Marxist notions of 'alienation"...
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Re: At what point does Colbert and the Daily Show
Mon, July 21, 2008 - 12:25 AMYoni your faith in last century's crumbling edifices is touching.
Me, my faith is in people having conversations. I don't think going backwards solves anything, only going forward and creating new forms while taking from the past what worked and discarding what didn't.
Fact is, "media" as a business just does not work. Whether its a local owner, an international conglomerate, or something in between, the business of media has never been good for the little guy, its always been a tool of the powerful. Well the "disconnected masses" have to wake up and make their own realities now. The big institutions can't solve our problems anymore, hell they can't even solve their own. No benevolent newspaper owner or candidate or brand is going to make things orderly again. Its time for something new. Stop being afraid of it.
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Re: At what point does Colbert and the Daily Show
Sat, July 19, 2008 - 11:11 PMSneer at the daily show all you want - nobody else on teevee does political coverage like this: www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml
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Re: At what point does Colbert and the Daily Show
Sat, July 19, 2008 - 11:28 PMI have a MAD Magazine that completely dissects the typical Daily Show. It's around my room somewhere.... from a couple of years ago
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Sat, July 19, 2008 - 11:28 PMDouble posts make Baby Jesus cry
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Re: At what point does Colbert and the Daily Show
Sun, July 20, 2008 - 6:11 AM<get big enough and influential enough to be recognized as part of the problem>
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Re: At what point does Colbert and the Daily Show
Sun, July 20, 2008 - 2:29 PMFor over a hundred years the most accurate reporting has come from our political cartoonists, satarists, and comedians.
Take George Carlin for an example. The same time that Tim Russert and Tony Snow die, George Carlin does as well. The only one that spent his life pointing out the truth.... Carlin.
Yoni, you're just upset because conservatives aren't funny. Of course they aren't funny.... there weren't many funny Nazis either.
Both shows educate with humor and underlying truth. Something the US news media does very badly. Obviously it makes you upset Yoni, as you've mentioned it before. But those of us that love Colbert and Stewart, usually find it all the more funny for being informed viewers to begin with.
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Re: At what point does Colbert and the Daily Show
Sun, July 20, 2008 - 2:40 PM"conservatives aren't funny. Of course they aren't funny.... there weren't many funny Nazis either."
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Re: At what point does Colbert and the Daily Show
Sun, July 20, 2008 - 2:44 PMNo its not. Today's movement conservative movement has all the hallmarks of authoritarian dictatorships, or rather their minions. They have a "daddy fixation" and need a Strong Leader to command them. Thats why they have elevated Reagan to near-Christlike status.
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Re: At what point does Colbert and the Daily Show
Sun, July 20, 2008 - 3:00 PMThe Nazis were very conservative Dusty.
I think they even banned Burning Man during their reign.
PROBLEM!!!!!!
I was just telling my son that The Daily Show was the one thing that shows we haven't slid totally into a fascist/police state.
It's a shame that all the mocking and irony comes from just quoting Washington, but the sad fact is that the corruption and lunacy is well worth laughing at in terms of it's naked avarice. -
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Re: At what point does Colbert and the Daily Show
Sun, July 20, 2008 - 3:04 PMDisagree on that one, sir.
Plenty of fascist movements have taken power without crushing all dissent. For instance IIRC the Spanish "iberal elite" thrived for years doing plays etc. denouncing their fascist overlords.
Matter of fact, a good totalitarian keeps dissenters around to prove his benevolence. "See? We are a thriving democracy! I don't even behead those liberals over there!"
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Sun, July 20, 2008 - 3:04 PModd meaning bold, fresh, out of the box, not a part of the herd, thinking.
Nazi conservatives are the reason that Burning Man had to wait for so long. -
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Re: At what point does Colbert and the Daily Show
Sun, July 20, 2008 - 4:49 PM>> odd meaning bold, fresh, out of the box, not a part of the herd, thinking. <<
nope. odd meaning ignorant, predictable, out of your head, part of the herd kind of thinking.
>> Nazi conservatives are the reason that Burning Man had to wait for so long. <<
hmmm. I met one of the guys that was responsible for starting burning man. I got the impression that he is kind of down on how it has changed. you know how it's turned into some big commercialized, soulless excuse to whip your dick out and take ecstasy. -
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Re: At what point does Colbert and the Daily Show
Sun, July 20, 2008 - 10:07 PMthe free market sucks when it hurts feelings. -
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Sun, July 20, 2008 - 10:09 PM
>> the free market sucks when it hurts feelings. <<
that really sounds good. zippy almost. not really sure how it rates as a relevant comeback to anything I've posted. but I realize that doesn't really matter.
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Re: At what point does Colbert and the Daily Show
Sun, July 20, 2008 - 10:45 PM<< "conservatives aren't funny. Of course they aren't funny.... >>
W.C. Fields was a racist, far-right, FDR-hating Republican and probably the funniest man who ever lived. -
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Mon, July 21, 2008 - 12:30 AMWell he had an establishment to hate - FDR and the liberals.
Today's conservatives have won, its a Pyrrhic victory of course since they've destroyed the very empire they love. But they lack any counterculture credibility since they ARE the establishment and have too much invested in the system to tear it down. They cannot tell the truth about anything which means they cannot be funny.
Carlin was our society's last real funnyman. From here on out its just a bunch of gallows humor and scatological nonsense.
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Re: At what point does Colbert and the Daily Show
Sun, July 20, 2008 - 4:58 PM>> Yoni, you're just upset because conservatives aren't funny. Of course they aren't funny.... there weren't many funny Nazis either. <<
your little demonstration of stupidity almost threw me off. I have to tip my hat to anyone capable of leveraging their mental inadequacy to an advantage.
>> Both shows educate with humor and underlying truth. <<
neither show educates moron. they entertain.
>> Something the US news media does very badly. <<
how stupid does one have to be in order to delude themselves into thinking that the US is not adequately entertained? -
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Re: At what point does Colbert and the Daily Show
Sun, July 20, 2008 - 7:36 PMGood strong comeback there Yoni, going directly to calling names is always a sign of strength of character and argument. And typically unfunny of you. -
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Re: At what point does Colbert and the Daily Show
Sun, July 20, 2008 - 8:33 PM
>> Good strong comeback there Yoni, going directly to calling names is always a sign of strength of character and argument. And typically unfunny of you. <<
do you enjoy looking like a moron? or am I unwittingly playing into some kind of masochistic fetish? if it is the latter, go wrestle with your pal Andrew. the two of you seem to be on the same wavelength intellectually. -
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Re: At what point does Colbert and the Daily Show
Sun, July 20, 2008 - 9:44 PMMore insults. What are you here for?
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Mon, July 21, 2008 - 12:41 AM<do you enjoy looking like a moron?>
Dude, come on. You were just rightfully bitching at someone else for this kind of shit last week.
<go wrestle with your pal Andrew. the two of you seem to be on the same wavelength intellectually.>
Hmm. You may be having an 'episode'. Last week you were reasonable....this week? Multiple personalities? Not sure.
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Re: At what point does Colbert and the Daily Show
Sun, July 20, 2008 - 4:37 PM<get big enough and influential enough to be recognized as part of the problem?>
Well, I wonder when they'll get big and influential enough to be recognized as a part of the solution, myself.
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Re: At what point does Colbert and the Daily Show
Sun, July 20, 2008 - 8:18 PM<< get big enough and influential enough to be recognized as part of the problem? >>
When he stops being *funny*.
Because funny's the whole point of a comedian's existence, a fact he looks to know WAY better than Rush Limbaugh or even Yakov Smirnoff.