yo yo yo, obama's your bro.

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d'zoner
  • I wish it were the other way around. . .
    • minor point...

      Wed, May 14, 2008 - 3:42 PM

      btw and OT - if the situation were reversed and someone posted a thread titled

      "yo zoner, your boy obama is endorsing edwards"....

      can you imagine the level of public outrage and righteous indignation in this tribe?
      • Re: minor point...

        Wed, May 14, 2008 - 3:44 PM
        Edwards is another elitist whose endorsement only matters to silly, uber-liberal, partisans whose minds are made up already.
        • Re: minor point...

          Wed, May 14, 2008 - 3:58 PM
          <Edwards is another elitist whose endorsement only matters to silly, uber-liberal, partisans whose minds are made up already.>

          all of a sudden you don't like edwards when you were his biggest fan on this tribe for 7 months. do you really hate obama so much you would throw your fave hunkdidate under the bus?

          do you realize you have started sounding a wee bit conservative?
          • Re: minor point...

            Thu, May 15, 2008 - 1:17 AM

            wow - i missed all the goodies.


            <<your fave hunkdidate>>

            LOL! brilliant. (HUNK-didate.) you sound just like Seth (i wish i could find that thread from January in which he was trying to convince me that the reason i picked Edwards had to do with his (Edwards') supposed sex appeal and hypnotic effects on women and small animals.)

            also, this makes it pretty clear that you confused moi with Glennzz, for some reason. (i was wondering if that was the case anyway, but....
            the "hunkdidate" thingie made it obvious.)
            • Re: minor point...

              Thu, May 15, 2008 - 4:11 PM
              <LOL! brilliant. (HUNK-didate.) you sound just like Seth (i wish i could find that thread from January in which he was trying to convince me that the reason i picked Edwards had to do with his (Edwards') supposed sex appeal and hypnotic effects on women and small animals.) >

              i can vouch for the small animal end of that effect.

              <also, this makes it pretty clear that you confused moi with Glennzz, for some reason. (i was wondering if that was the case anyway, but.... the "hunkdidate" thingie made it obvious.) >

              dames! why do they always think it's about them?

              nope, this was all about glennzz, i mean it's soooo obvious the boy is gay as a chorus line.
        • on elitism

          Wed, May 14, 2008 - 4:06 PM

          1) "elite" does not equal "elitism"

          2) Edwards is WAY less "elitist" than Obama

          3) on the scale of "elitism": Obama > Clinton > Edwards

          (or, on the scale of "populism": Edwards > Clinton > Obama)
          • Re: on elitism

            Wed, May 14, 2008 - 4:35 PM
            >>>> on the scale of "elitism": Obama > Clinton > Edwards

            Mrs. Clinton has been in the power elite since 1992 when her husband was elected President. 16 years of inside the beltway mentality. Where do these centimillionaires come off claiming that Mr. Obama is elitist? its crazy that Clinton who has been entrenched in the upper echelons of the Democratic party for as long as some new voters have been alive would call a man of mixed race with a single mother as elitist. Mrs. Clinton grew up in the upper middle class suburb of Park Ridge IL and went to the prestigious women’s college- Wellsley.

            Barack Obama spent years of his life organizing out-of-work steelworkers on the south side of Chicago. But he is the elite. seriously. a community organizer being paid $8,000 a year by a coalition of churches is not an elitist.

            It is the height of cynicsm for Senator Clinton to call Obama elite.

            Mr. Obama entered a California liberal arts college before transfering to Columbia University and later became the first African American editor of the Harvard Law Review. You can bet your bottom dollar none of that academic success came with the ease of a well-off middle class girl going to Wellsley.
            • Re: on elitism

              Wed, May 14, 2008 - 9:34 PM
              Jordan: Mrs. Clinton has been in the power elite since 1992 when her husband was elected President. 16 years of inside the beltway mentality. Where do these centimillionaires come off claiming that Mr. Obama is elitist? its crazy that Clinton who has been entrenched in the upper echelons of the Democratic party for as long as some new voters have been alive would call a man of mixed race with a single mother as elitist. Mrs. Clinton grew up in the upper middle class suburb of Park Ridge IL and went to the prestigious women’s college- Wellsley.



              Thank you!
              • Re: on elitism

                Wed, May 14, 2008 - 9:52 PM
                more backhanded racism from the hysterical white crowd

                Obama can't be elitist as his father was a darkie...?

                That was enlightening Whether......

                • Re: on cotton picking elitism

                  Wed, May 14, 2008 - 9:56 PM
                  <Obama can't be elitist as his father was a darkie...? >

                  darkie?

                  you *are* retro.

                  you daydream of sitting on the porch sipping a mint julep looking over the 'darkies' picking cotton in dem fields?
                  • This is the maximum depth. Additional responses will not be threaded.

                    Re: on elitism

                    Wed, May 14, 2008 - 10:00 PM
                    Obama can't be elitist as his father was a darkie...?


                    what has obama's dad to do with this topic?........
                    he left the family when obama was 2.
                • Re: on literacy

                  Thu, May 15, 2008 - 2:30 AM
                  Dearest Glennnzzzzzzzy;

                  Please learn to read. Failing that, please stab yourself vigorously and determinedly in the hand with an awl, or, perhaps, a pencil.

                  Thank you.

  • it's brutal for Clinton in terms of timing though, isn't it.

    "the last nail in Hillary's coffin", like some of Clinton-haters would say.


    (i'd say that Gore's endorsement is likely to follow Edwards', and very soon, cuz... anything less than that would be "devisive", wouldn't it.)
    • inna:
      > "the last nail in Hillary's coffin", like some of Clinton-haters would say.

      That's how I'll put it.

      She's dead, but just doesn't know it.
      • well,

        Someone was right about something

        I've never been and edwards supporter.

        He was a vermin trial lawyer, making millions suing doctors and hospitals unfortunate enough to deliver babies with cerebral Palsy.

        C-section rates skyrocketed under pressure from such suits, yet rates of cerebral palsy birthrates remained unchanged.

        That there was never evidence that there was a link to substandard care and cerebral palsy didn't keep this man from becoming public enemy number one among obstetricians and hospitals.

        this elitist, trial lawyer pig and Obama.......................together couldn't run a convenience store.
        • from Point of Law, written by Copland

          Robinson writes, "John Edwards built his career suing doctors and hospitals, claiming that maternity-ward missteps caused newborns to develop cerebral palsy. The theory that doctor error is a common cause of CP was dubious when Mr. Edwards used it to win his cases, from the 1980s to the mid-1990s, and is universally rejected by experts today. . . . What is more, attacks on alleged negligence in the maternity ward may actually have hurt the quality of patient care. Many CP lawsuits, including one that Mr. Edwards describes in his book, turned on the theory that doctors could have prevented CP by ordering a cesarian section. Such suits put nonmedical pressure on doctors and hospitals to choose c-sections. In the past 30 years, the proportion of births by c-section has gone up fivefold. But a 2003 study in the American Journal of Obstetrics and Gynecology found that the rate of CP remains constant." (For a fuller discussion of the cerebral palsy cases, see our editor's Wall Street Journal column from last year, my NRO column from this winter, and back postings on overlawyered.com.)

          Robinson's broader point is that Edwards's philosophy is fundamentally misshaped by his trial lawyer background, because he sees the world in terms of "victims" and "villains," i.e., that everyone in society who suffers from misfortune must have had that misfortune caused by some nefarious actor: "The real error of Mr. Edwards's approach[] goes beyond costs and benefits. In his world, there is an alluring symmetry between victims and villains. He writes of wanting to represent people who 'had the scales tipped' against them--and presumes, without saying so outright, that someone involved in his clients' care must have done the tipping. For a self-described religious man, he seems to allow remarkably little room for the notion that some human misfortunes are not in human power to prevent."

          That, in a nutshell, describes Edwards's "two Americas" message. Having made a livelihood out of redistributing wealth in a (very inefficient) zero-sum game (and enriching himself in the process), he's utterly incapable of comprehending positive-sum games from free exchange and commerce. Thus, free trade is bad, rich people are bad, corporations are bad -- and trial lawyers are good, because they help the "victims" and punish the "villains." Such stuff may make for good Grisham novels, but it's a scary thought that this mindset could be a heartbeat away from the presidency.
          Posted by James R. Copland
        • well, glenn?

          Wed, May 14, 2008 - 8:51 PM
          glenn - this elitist, trial lawyer pig and Obama.......................together couldn't run a convenience store.

          yet obama has the best run and most effective presidential campaign in recent memory. a campaign that has a multi-hundred million dollar budget.

          how do you account for this glen?
          • Re: well, glenn?

            Wed, May 14, 2008 - 10:00 PM

            <<yet obama has the best run and most effective presidential campaign in recent memory. >>

            i'd say, *ever* in (American) history.


            <<how do you account for this >>

            1) the absense of a true progressive movement and the people's (subconscious) longing/hunger/thirst for such movement

            2) brainwashing by the corporate media (and additional factors) resulting in SHOCKINGLY uneducated and clueless populace


            • Re: well, glenn?

              Wed, May 14, 2008 - 10:29 PM
              i don't see the connection.

              how is barack having the best run and most effective campaign 'in american history?' accounted for by people's longing for a missing true progressive movement and msm brainwashing?

              why wouldn't such competence exist whatever the circumstance?

              .
              • Re: well, glenn?

                Thu, May 15, 2008 - 11:43 AM
                >> d'zoner: how is barack having the best run and most effective campaign 'in american history?' <<

                Since when does having a free-ride from the media count as "the best run and most effective campaign ... bla bla bla"???

                Bill Clinton came from nowhere (literally: Arkansas) in 1992 and had the nomination sewed up by early April. His closest rival, Jerry Brown, won a grand total of 596 delegates - less than 16% of all the delegates. ALL other candidates combined only collected 24% of the delegates.
                • Re: well, glenn?

                  Thu, May 15, 2008 - 3:52 PM
                  <<Since when does having a free-ride from the media count as "the best run and most effective campaign ... bla bla bla"???

                  That is just an excuse Cornel, the Reverend Wright issue clearly demonstrated that Obama did not get a free ride.

                  <<Bill Clinton came from nowhere (literally: Arkansas) in 1992 and had the nomination sewed up by early April.

                  Different schedule, the primaries started earlier this year.
            • Re: well, glenn?

              Thu, May 15, 2008 - 1:03 AM
              << the absense of a true progressive movement and the people's (subconscious) longing/hunger/thirst for such movement >>

              This is shrewd and I'd say this "longing" isn't at all subconscious, but rather grew purposefully and remarkably quickly in the near-vacuum of the Obama campaign. He was the best chance a lot of mainstream activists (which I have the honor *not* to be one) had seen their whole political lives, so they went for him.

              Now you can scorn these people and I'll only call you a moron. Some of them are "best & brightest" material and quite accomplished. Others are sucking the Hope helium. Well, if so, so what? I can't see where Obama's vague appeals to "change" have an atom less substance than the whole "experience" trip McCain is peddling.

              Experience grabbing for Charlie Keating's nickels isn't worth much.
            • Re: well, glenn?

              Thu, May 15, 2008 - 11:26 AM
              <<brainwashing by the corporate media (and additional factors) resulting in SHOCKINGLY uneducated and clueless populace

              I thought the uneducated were voting for Hillary Inna?
    • my guess is that gore doesn't endorse anyone and stays out of the fray. let gore do his thing on the global warming front.

      if gore's endorsement does come, i bet it comes after hillary drops out of the race and closer to the convention.
      • a gorey situation

        Wed, May 14, 2008 - 10:08 PM
        <if gore's endorsement does come, i bet it comes after hillary drops out of the race and closer to the convention.>

        yep. staying above the fray in keeping with his world class status. the issue of global warming is going to 'heat up' big time this summer as the arctic ice cap melts away to nothing. scientists worldwide will be going berserk.

        what piques my curiousity is whether gore will make his initial media circus stage entrance on this solo or with obama at his side.


      • <<if gore's endorsement does come, i bet it comes after hillary drops out of the race and closer to the convention.>>

        seems like that would be an honorable thing to do.

        either that, or.... "staying out of the fray" and "doing his thing on the global warming front".




        BTW - it is still ABSOLUTELY BEYOND ME why Gore is/was widely considered more progressive candidate than Hillary,
        while both of them were in bed with Bill for 8 years.


        (sexism?? seriously, people. that's the ONLY explanation i can think of. help me here.~)
        • <BTW - it is still ABSOLUTELY BEYOND ME why Gore is/was widely considered more progressive candidate than Hillary,
          while both of them were in bed with Bill for 8 years.


          (sexism?? seriously, people. that's the ONLY explanation i can think of. help me here.~) >

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