Sigh.... just fucking sigh....

This enterance for Jews only.

This is an interesting post. I wonder why these people - who according to the article may or may not include Darfurians - are they skipping over Egypt, a Muslim country, to come to Israel, a Jewish one? Why isn't Egypt accepting these refugees? Or Eritrea? Or Ethiopia? Or Kenya? Or Uganda? Or Congo? Or Chad? Or Libya? Why is it news that Israel is securing its borders? It all seems rather odd.

************Jerusalem - Israel said on Sunday it would shut its doors to refugees from Sudan's war-torn Darfur region, touching off hot debate over whether the Jewish state, founded after the Nazi genocide, has a duty to take in people fleeing persecution. *************

Nice straw man argument. Nice hypocritical game you play .

Who has the moral and informational authority to decide who has a duty in this regard? You? The author? Who exactly has the arrogance and ignorance to assume upon themselves this ability?


If Israel decides that the Darfurians arriving are too burdensome - that is an internal decision they can make and you haven't got squat to say about it.

None of the ignorant infantile moralistic posturing I've seen on this thread comes any near close to addressing the threshold question:
Who has the moral authority and the boat load of information needed to make these decisions and level these condemnations for other nations?

Who the hell do you think you are to condemn Israel for not taking refugees - - - WHEN AT THE SAME TIME - - - and with the same filthy mouth you are willing to cut the Arab League a break for imprisoning refugees- a population of refugees whom they created from whole cloth - and maintain to this day? Who the hell do you think you are?

This is about the most hypocritical bunch going.

"************Jerusalem - Israel said on Sunday it would shut its doors to refugees from Sudan's war-torn Darfur region, touching off hot debate over whether the Jewish state, founded after the Nazi genocide, has a duty to take in people fleeing persecution. *************
Nice straw man argument. Nice hypocritical game you play . "

lol
Cliff, This is an Associated Press Article..
Don't kill the messenger..
Jay only posted the article..


Israel will turn away Darfur refugees
August 19, 2007 in Human Rights and Newz.
By LAURIE COPANS, Associated Press Writer
headonradionetwork.com/blog/2...fugees/

She changed her wording a little bit..She left out the NAZI part today..

Israel vows entry ban on Darfur refugees

· Sudanese sent back over border to Egypt
· Asylum issue stirs row on Jews' stance on sanctuary

Laurie Copans, Associated Press in Jerusalem
Monday August 20, 2007
The Guardian

Israel yesterday said it planned to turn back refugees arriving from Sudan's war-torn Darfur area, prompting arguments over whether the Jewish state had a duty to take in people fleeing persecution.

David Baker, an Israeli government spokesman, said people from Darfur would not be immune from Israel's ban on unauthorised migrants.

He said: "The policy of returning anyone who enters Israel illegally will pertain to everyone, including those from Darfur."

Late on Saturday Israel handed over 48 Sudanese, allegedly including Darfurians, to the authorities in Egypt, security officials in Egypt said.

For months Israel has been concerned about how to deal with the flow of Africans, including some people from Darfur, who have passed over its southern border with Egypt's Sinai desert.

The decision to turn back asylum seekers from Darfur contradicts the pledge of Israel's prime minister, Ehud Olmert, to "absorb" the newcomers. Mr Baker said that those already in Israel would be allowed to stay, the turn back policy affecting only new arrivals.

Fighting between pro-government militias and rebels in Darfur has led to the deaths of more than 200,000 people and displaced 2.5 million since February 2003. Most of the displaced people remain in Darfur, but the UN estimates that 236,000 fled to Chad. Tens of thousands of other asylum seekers have sought refuge in Egypt. Israel's response to the arrivals has been contradictory: threats to expel them have clashed with humanitarian sentiments inspired by the memory of Jews trying to escape Nazis. Eytan Schwartz, an advocate for Darfur refugees in Israel, said about 400 refugees had entered Israel in recent years. "The state of Israel has to show compassion for refugees after the Jewish people were subject to persecution throughout [their] history," he said.

But Ephraim Zuroff, of the Nazi-hunting Simon Wiesenthal centre, said the Jewish people could not be expected to right every wrong just because of their past. "Israel can't throw open the gates and allow unlimited access for people who are basically economic refugees."

Asylum seekers found sanctuary from mass murder by going to Egypt, Mr Zuroff said, and the desire to enter Israel was "motivated primarily by the difficult living conditions and bleak economic prospects in that country".

Israeli law denies asylum to anyone from an "enemy state", which includes Sudan - whose Muslim government is hostile to the Jewish state and has no diplomatic ties with it.

About 2,800 people are estimated to have entered Israel illegally through Sinai in recent years. Nearly all were from Africa, including 1,160 from Sudan, and many had first spent months or years in Egypt. This June, according to the UN High Commissioner for Refugees, as many as 50 people were entering illegally each day.

Egypt, which has been urged by Israel to step up surveillance of the border to prevent the illegal transit of goods and people, has increased its efforts recently. However it denies any obligation to take back refugees. Many Sudanese find life difficult in Egypt where, two years ago, riot police killed nearly 30 people when clearing a refugee encampment in Cairo.

www.guardian.co.uk/sudan/st...1,00.html

As much as I hate to say it

Every country denies Darfur refugees asylum on account of a technicality. I have stated it before. Refugees must seek asylum in the first country the enter. This is why you never will ever see conflict in Canada, or Mexico.

Although it is seriously unethical considering that Israelis went to the same that those in Darfur are going through, it is not "wrong", as everyone does it. Rudy Gulliani did worse when working for Ronnie. He turned away boatloads of Haitians traveling in leaky boats. Anyone remember that one?

Many people do not realize that many Holocaust survivors would accept the refugees as they experienced the same injustice, but others will not. It says a lot about the current state of Israel. Many use the Holocaust for personal gain, but do not "remember it"?