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Person A and Person B disagree with each other a lot over politics. After a while it gets heated.
One day Person A says that Person B has a need for "vicarious rape thrills."
Person B responds with "Like with your family? No, that's not my thing. Oh - one more thing: Fuck you. Y'r a bitch. Wanna accuse me of some shit? Well, let me know when you'll be in Seattle and I'd love to meet you. Bitch."
Person B later responds with: "I'm easy to find. It's all fun to talk like a bitch on the internet, but it's another to have to put yourself in danger. I tell you what. I'll be down in the Bay Area in about a month in a half. I'll look you up before I come down. How's that? We can hang out. I'd be nice. And, after I look you up, I'll let the nice people here know if you wanted to hang out or not. I'll check in with you in about six weeks or so. We can hang out."
Now I ask you this. Is Person B making a threat, or his allusion to "putting yourself in danger," "nice people here," and "with your family" (not to mention the tough-guy vulgarity) simply all an issue of Person B being cruelly misrepresented and misunderstood?
Because Person B seems to think the answer is no, it wasn't a threat and that Person A is in fact stupid for thinking it was meant as one.
One day Person A says that Person B has a need for "vicarious rape thrills."
Person B responds with "Like with your family? No, that's not my thing. Oh - one more thing: Fuck you. Y'r a bitch. Wanna accuse me of some shit? Well, let me know when you'll be in Seattle and I'd love to meet you. Bitch."
Person B later responds with: "I'm easy to find. It's all fun to talk like a bitch on the internet, but it's another to have to put yourself in danger. I tell you what. I'll be down in the Bay Area in about a month in a half. I'll look you up before I come down. How's that? We can hang out. I'd be nice. And, after I look you up, I'll let the nice people here know if you wanted to hang out or not. I'll check in with you in about six weeks or so. We can hang out."
Now I ask you this. Is Person B making a threat, or his allusion to "putting yourself in danger," "nice people here," and "with your family" (not to mention the tough-guy vulgarity) simply all an issue of Person B being cruelly misrepresented and misunderstood?
Because Person B seems to think the answer is no, it wasn't a threat and that Person A is in fact stupid for thinking it was meant as one.
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Re: Is this a threat?
Wed, June 4, 2008 - 9:00 AMSo what, this is the one thing in Politics tribe no one has an opinion on?
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Re: Is this a threat?
Wed, June 4, 2008 - 9:05 AMIf I were A, I would not get near B without a taser, a can of mace, and two fully-armed bodyguards. -
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Wed, June 4, 2008 - 4:36 PM<If I were A, I would not get near B without a taser, a can of mace, and two fully-armed bodyguards.>
Seems logical.
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Re: Is this a threat?
Wed, June 4, 2008 - 9:27 AMWithout a doubt, you are right, I don't think you could put a non-threatening spin on what B said.
It's a minor point, of course, but I think "like your family" was an attempt by B to imply that A's family engages in incestuous rape - not a specific threat against A's family, per se.
Although, unless there's some evidence, maybe A should be the bigger man and apologize for saying B "has a need" to watch others get raped...
That would steal a lot of B's thunder, and maybe even get B to retract some of the inappropriately bizarrely, aggressive shit.
I'm sure the roots go much deeper than that, maybe the TOU could help weigh in on it. -
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Wed, June 4, 2008 - 4:35 PM<It's a minor point, of course, but I think "like your family" was an attempt by B to imply that A's family engages in incestuous rape - not a specific threat against A's family, per se.>
Ah, how refreshing . A thinking man. Evolution is not dead, it appears.
<Although, unless there's some evidence, maybe A should be the bigger man and apologize for saying B "has a need" to watch others get raped... >
Even highly evolved, it would seem.
<That would steal a lot of B's thunder, and maybe even get B to retract some of the inappropriately bizarrely, aggressive shit.>
I don't know - such an incautious suggestion that someone 'has a need for "vicarious rape thrills."' seems to be actively inviting such a negative response. And, I mean "inviting" because I can't imagine someone would say such a thoughtless statement without expecting to have to deal with the repercussions of such a suggestion. Imagine sitting in a bar or otherwise in the real world and saying that to someone...why is this forum any different?
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Re: Is this a threat?
Wed, June 4, 2008 - 6:37 PM<<I don't know - such an incautious suggestion that someone 'has a need for "vicarious rape thrills."' seems to be actively inviting such a negative response.>>
Certainly it's not a nice thing to say. But saying that an insult is an invitation for a threat of physical violence is like saying that a short skirt is an invitation for rape.
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Wed, June 4, 2008 - 8:54 PM>>Imagine sitting in a bar or otherwise in the real world and saying that to someone...<<
Ah for the good old days. The Point. I don't think there will ever be another bar like that in this state, anymore. Sigh.
There were a few hardcore women and men left in those days. One really felt *alive*, once upon a time.
"VICARIOUS MY PIMPLY ASS" is what my nostalgia comes up with.
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Re: Is this a threat?
Wed, June 4, 2008 - 6:40 PM<<It's a minor point, of course, but I think "like your family" was an attempt by B to imply that A's family engages in incestuous rape - not a specific threat against A's family, per se. >>
This might be the case, but in the same breath B then says: "I'm easy to find. It's all fun to talk like a bitch on the internet, but it's another to have to put yourself in danger. I tell you what. I'll be down in the Bay Area in about a month in a half. I'll look you up before I come down. How's that? We can hang out. I'd be nice. And, after I look you up, I'll let the nice people here know if you wanted to hang out or not. I'll check in with you in about six weeks or so. We can hang out."
Note key phrases: "Put yourself in danger." A 'hanging out' with B thus refers to A putting himself "in danger." And what of "after I look you up?" Who are the "nice people here"?
The context certainly seems to be a threat to me. Maybe not a serious one. Maybe there aren't "nice people" there and maybe the "danger" is all in B's overinflated sense of intimidation. But if it's not a threat, are you seriously saying it's actually an invitation for tea and crumpets? -
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Wed, June 4, 2008 - 7:58 PMSorry to make light, in any way, of youz guys beef.
I like both of you, and enjoy immensely reading both your posts (not limited to, but definitely including this topic) ...especially when you're in there scrappin' it up and getting animated.
I hope you guys can bury the hatchet.
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Wed, June 4, 2008 - 3:41 PMThis sounds sort of like a law school exam question. -
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Wed, June 4, 2008 - 3:47 PMHahaha...
Maybe if there were more unnatural sex and implied violence questions, I would've scored better than 72% on the LSAT's...
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Wed, June 4, 2008 - 3:59 PM"What you are witnessing is real. The participants are not actors. They are actual litigants with a case pending in a California Municipal (Tribe.net) court. Both parties have agreed to dismiss their court cases and have their disputes settled here, in our forum: The People's (Food) Court."
dun, nuh, nuh...
tribecourt.tribe.net/
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Wed, June 4, 2008 - 4:16 PMI'll toss in that I am *not* a good fit to judge that case; so, we'll need a judge both parties can respect the arbitrary and dispassionate judgment of.
I nominate hmmmmmmmmm someone *not* from this forum. See what I'm saying?
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Wed, June 4, 2008 - 4:36 PMLOL @ Pastafarian being hate speech -
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Wed, June 4, 2008 - 5:58 PMI'm not sure how it works in the 'States, but in Canada it's not considered a verbal threat unless it's accompanied with a hand gesture. Telling someone "I will fucking kill you!" is 'just words', but saying "I will fucking kill you!" and then pointing your finger at them, or shaking your fist, or making a slashing motion across your throat with your finger as you look at them is considered a threat.
Threatening letters or e-mail is another thing of course. For one thing, you have to be 'pretty fucking stupid' to make threats of violence to someone in writing. For one thing, you have already started a paper trail on your own ass. You can deny making threats, or downplay the seriousness of the threats you made if they are verbal....but you can't do the same thing if the threats are written. This includes e-mail. Also, you should never, ever write a letter to someone when you are angry. Phone them or speak to them in person instead. The recipient of the letter can easily pull that letter out and show it back to you, to the Police, or to anyone else at any time in the future.
Threats of legal action through the mail are another matter of course.
Another thing to consider is how likely the other person is to carry out the threat, or how capable they are of carrying out the threat. A small child with a cap gun screaming that he is going to kill you is a different matter than a big, burly guy with a baseball bat saying the same thing.
Long story short, if you aren't sure if someone is threatening you, just ask them. "Are you threatening me?"
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Wed, June 4, 2008 - 9:02 PM>> LOL @ Pastafarian being hate speech<<
WHOAH; I have no idea what I was on that day but this:
tribecourt.tribe.net/thread/...858508ee
makes me feel proud. Damn! Sometimes I just say some awesome shit. Yeah; I'm patting my own back. Pardon. But that shit made me swell up a little bit.
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Wed, June 4, 2008 - 6:27 PM"Fuck you. Y'r a bitch. Wanna accuse me of some shit? Well, let me know when you'll be in Seattle and I'd love to meet you. Bitch."
Said in public round these parts, heads would immediately turn.
And any cop in the vicinity would slide out his billy club.
On the internet, would fire back asking in no uncertain terms exactly what B has in mind.
Depending on the answer, blow it off - or find out everything I could about B, notify the cops - and lock and load. -
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Thu, June 5, 2008 - 4:18 AM<<It's a minor point, of course, but I think "like your family" was an attempt by B to imply that A's family engages in incestuous rape - not a specific threat against A's family, per se. >>
<This might be the case, but in the same breath B then says: "I'm easy to find.>
You're mixing two ideas. The first is about any perception of a threat against your family. The response had NOTHING to do with your family at all. How in the world could you confuse those two issues when you yourself quoted the actual content?
So. Y'r wrong, proven wrong by YOUR OWN WORDS. There was no threat against your family. Man up and admit it. Come on...
<But if it's not a threat, are you seriously saying it's actually an invitation for tea and crumpets?>
Hmm. Kinda hard to know, 'eh? You yourself just showed how inexact your claims of threat are, 'eh?
<I hope you guys can bury the hatchet.>
I think that this is humorous, so don't worry about me making more of a mountain out of this molehill. I guarantee you that this statement was his final exhibition and suggestion concerning someone's "vicarious rape thrills" here or in the real world. He won't say that again to someone.
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Re: Is this a threat? Not if you're kinky.
Thu, June 5, 2008 - 5:25 AMI remember thinking how it was kind of weird that you'd threaten to rape his family, but then, it is the innernets.
So; it's not just *possible* that your inexact wording, coupled with aggressive tone, could be misconstrued - it actually happened.
Read it again, to yourself, as if you hadn't written it but instead it were being said to you aloud; consider how you'd interpret that kind of talk.
Now, I certainly saw it as bluster and nothing more - oops - until you demanded he come to your location and be your bitch. That was clear enough. You say, "The response had NOTHING to do with your family at all," but, in fact, you referenced a family, rape, and a challenge of violence all together, at once. Very, very few people would fail to draw the obvious conclusion when under direct fire.
I'm not accusing you of threatening to rape anyone's family - or even threatening anyone - because this is the innernetsies and it's all stupid. However, you may want to reconsider the "nyah nyah I wasn't threatening to rape your family and kick your ass you bitch" attitude because, regardless of what you might have intended, that's exactly how it reads. -
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Thu, June 5, 2008 - 6:49 PM<Read it again, to yourself, as if you hadn't written it but instead it were being said to you aloud; consider how you'd interpret that kind of talk.>
Loki, I have no problem with what you are suggesting was his (and your) misunderstanding. The problem is with his continued insistence that I said such a thing, along with his suggestion about any visceral fantasies that I may or may not have. When it became clear that a) I never suggested what he believed I suggested, and b) he was the last one to actually think that I said such a thing - he STILL went forward with those beliefs.
<I'm not accusing you of threatening to rape anyone's family - or even threatening anyone - because this is the innernetsies and it's all stupid.>
Agreed.
<I'm not 'proven' wrong by my own words. I am proven right - by yours.>
See, Loki? He still believes that I threatened his family even though he's the only one here to believe that.
<The fact is, you're the one who needs to man up, for making threats and for even bringing someone's family into it. But you won't, because you aren't a man, just a brat hiding behind a computer.>
You're right. I should not have brought in your family in any context to your suggestion that I had "vicarious rape thrills", you are the one that made those ridiculous comments, not them. It's too bad that you had to start this ball rolling, 'eh? And, worse that I felt the additional stupid need to respond. I would have to imagine that this makes ME more stupid than the original stupidity that started it, 'eh?
<Oh yeah? That's what this is all about? Teaching me not to say something, by threatening me, by threatening my family? "He won't say THAT again, hur hur hur?">
No, it's an ancillary reaction. (That you STILL think that I threatened your family is at best comical, but at worst...)
<Not only will I say it again, I will say that your little threats and drama PROVES that you DO have a need for vicarious rape thrills.>
Oops. I spoke too soon... Yes, you need some therapy.
<It's pretty clear by how you refer to the "nice people here" doing it, instead of you.>
Wow. You are now having delusions...
<You can't get it up, so you have to get other people to do your killing/raping. What do you think of that hypothesis, einstein?>
Not much. It's rather childish/immature/stupid/sad.
tribes.tribe.net/depressionhelp
There, I could only find that one tribe to help you out.
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Re: Is this a threat? Not if you're kinky.
Thu, June 5, 2008 - 11:09 PM<<See, Loki? He still believes that I threatened his family even though he's the only one here to believe that. >>
I like how you ignore the part where Loki disagrees with your cute, cowardly dance:
"<<Now, I certainly saw it as bluster and nothing more - oops - until you demanded he come to your location and be your bitch. That was clear enough.>>"
Or perhaps you can still feel vindicated because you ONLY threatened me.
Of course you have to lie about it. That's your only defense, to the point where you're acting as everyone here agrees with your re-misinterpretation. It's easy enough to do, because I'm pissed off, and you're giggling like a fucking schoolgirl, enjoying it. Enjoying it, i daresay, almost as you enjoy the thought of rape in general.
<<Wow. You are now having delusions... >>
I can put 2 and 2 together, you chickenshit.
You want to meet? Fine. Let's do it. Come down to Santa Barbara. When you available? You can meet my happy nice friends, I can meet you, we can have a nice, happy time. Hell maybe we'll visit your family afterwards, and have more happy, nice times there. What do you think of that, you stupid, lying, no-balls piece of shit? -
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Re: Is this a threat? Not if you're kinky.
Thu, June 5, 2008 - 11:12 PMBy the way, I hope you don't consider any of this insulting, Andrew (tm).
That would be foolish of you to misinterpret in such a delusional manner, you dumb bitch.
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Re: Is this a threat? Not if you're kinky.
Thu, June 5, 2008 - 11:43 PMi cant tell if this thread is a bunch of satire or if you are all really serious that you'd think to organize some sort of 'theoretical fight' via the internet would get your jollies off.
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Re: Is this a threat?
Thu, June 5, 2008 - 9:47 AM<<You're mixing two ideas. The first is about any perception of a threat against your family. The response had NOTHING to do with your family at all.>>
Mixing two ideas?
They were the in the same post, on the same fucking subject.
<< How in the world could you confuse those two issues when you yourself quoted the actual content?>>
Because I didn't, and you're just lying some more to cover your own ass.
<<So. Y'r wrong, proven wrong by YOUR OWN WORDS. There was no threat against your family. Man up and admit it. Come on...
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I'm not 'proven' wrong by my own words. I am proven right - by yours.
The fact is, you're the one who needs to man up, for making threats and for even bringing someone's family into it. But you won't, because you aren't a man, just a brat hiding behind a computer.
<<I guarantee you that this statement was his final exhibition and suggestion concerning someone's "vicarious rape thrills" here or in the real world. He won't say that again to someone. >>
Oh yeah? That's what this is all about? Teaching me not to say something, by threatening me, by threatening my family? "He won't say THAT again, hur hur hur?"
Not only will I say it again, I will say that your little threats and drama PROVES that you DO have a need for vicarious rape thrills. It's pretty clear by how you refer to the "nice people here" doing it, instead of you. You can't get it up, so you have to get other people to do your killing/raping. What do you think of that hypothesis, einstein?
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