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So, does anybody think the Israelis just made it up?
Israel views arms shipment as card against Iran
By Joseph Krauss (AFP) – 2 hours ago
JERUSALEM — Israel's capture of a weapons-laden ship allegedly sent from Iran and bound for Hezbollah will underscore its case against Tehran in the international community, observers said Thursday.
"Officials in Jerusalem had not dared even to dream of better timing for the capture of the vessel carrying so much arms and ammunition bound for Hezbollah," an editorial in Israel's Maariv newspaper said.
"For all practical purposes... the capture of the ship was, for Israel, like a gift from heaven."
The Israeli navy on Wednesday seized a ship carrying "hundreds of tonnes" of weapons, including rockets, grenades and ammunition, that it said was sent from Iran to the Lebanese Hezbollah militia in violation of UN resolutions.
A UN Security Council resolution which brought an end to the devastating 2006 war between Hezbollah and Israel demanded the disarmament of all militias in Lebanon and imposed a ban on all arms exports to them.
Iran and Hezbollah have both denied any link to the ship.
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Wednesday that the arms seized were "further proof, if any is needed, that Iran is continuing to provide weapons to terrorist organisations that want to strike Israeli towns and villages and kill civilians."
"It is high time the international community put pressure on Iran to stop its criminal actions and back Israel when it defends itself," he added.
Israel views Iran as its main strategic threat because of Tehran's support for Hezbollah and Palestinian militants, its leader's frequent predictions of the demise of the Jewish state and its nuclear enrichment programme.
Israel, the region's sole if undeclared nuclear power, believes Iran's programme is aimed at developing nuclear weapons, charges denied by Tehran.
The seized arms may allow Israel to ramp up pressure on Iran to accept an international proposal for it to send stocks of low-enriched uranium abroad for conversion into nuclear fuel.
"Now the Iranians have been caught red-handed -- an Iranian company involved in the exporting of arms to Hezbollah as Western suspicions of Iran peak after Tehran's murky response to the compromise proposal on uranium enrichment," Haaretz said.
The capture also came on the same day the UN General Assembly began discussing a controversial report on the Gaza war by the respected former war crimes prosecutor Richard Goldstone that accused Israel and Palestinian militants of war crimes during the 22-day conflict that ended January 18.
The widely circulated footage of crates of rockets and ammunition on the deck of the ship could help Israel make the case that it was justified in launching the Gaza war, which was aimed at halting Palestinian rocket attacks.
Some 1,400 Palestinians and 13 Israelis were killed in the 22-day conflict.
Israel views arms shipment as card against Iran
By Joseph Krauss (AFP) – 2 hours ago
JERUSALEM — Israel's capture of a weapons-laden ship allegedly sent from Iran and bound for Hezbollah will underscore its case against Tehran in the international community, observers said Thursday.
"Officials in Jerusalem had not dared even to dream of better timing for the capture of the vessel carrying so much arms and ammunition bound for Hezbollah," an editorial in Israel's Maariv newspaper said.
"For all practical purposes... the capture of the ship was, for Israel, like a gift from heaven."
The Israeli navy on Wednesday seized a ship carrying "hundreds of tonnes" of weapons, including rockets, grenades and ammunition, that it said was sent from Iran to the Lebanese Hezbollah militia in violation of UN resolutions.
A UN Security Council resolution which brought an end to the devastating 2006 war between Hezbollah and Israel demanded the disarmament of all militias in Lebanon and imposed a ban on all arms exports to them.
Iran and Hezbollah have both denied any link to the ship.
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Wednesday that the arms seized were "further proof, if any is needed, that Iran is continuing to provide weapons to terrorist organisations that want to strike Israeli towns and villages and kill civilians."
"It is high time the international community put pressure on Iran to stop its criminal actions and back Israel when it defends itself," he added.
Israel views Iran as its main strategic threat because of Tehran's support for Hezbollah and Palestinian militants, its leader's frequent predictions of the demise of the Jewish state and its nuclear enrichment programme.
Israel, the region's sole if undeclared nuclear power, believes Iran's programme is aimed at developing nuclear weapons, charges denied by Tehran.
The seized arms may allow Israel to ramp up pressure on Iran to accept an international proposal for it to send stocks of low-enriched uranium abroad for conversion into nuclear fuel.
"Now the Iranians have been caught red-handed -- an Iranian company involved in the exporting of arms to Hezbollah as Western suspicions of Iran peak after Tehran's murky response to the compromise proposal on uranium enrichment," Haaretz said.
The capture also came on the same day the UN General Assembly began discussing a controversial report on the Gaza war by the respected former war crimes prosecutor Richard Goldstone that accused Israel and Palestinian militants of war crimes during the 22-day conflict that ended January 18.
The widely circulated footage of crates of rockets and ammunition on the deck of the ship could help Israel make the case that it was justified in launching the Gaza war, which was aimed at halting Palestinian rocket attacks.
Some 1,400 Palestinians and 13 Israelis were killed in the 22-day conflict.
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Thu, November 5, 2009 - 2:08 AMseems fishy. is hezbollah really getting whole ships full of weapons? i thought they were SMUGGLING. -
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Thu, November 5, 2009 - 4:02 AM
Of course. cDubitydoobity to the rescue.
Why is this even relevant. We know that Iran arms Hizbollah and all the terror groups. It's no secret for fuck's sake, just like their second nuke site was no secret.
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Thu, November 5, 2009 - 4:05 AMSyrian Foreign Minister Walid Moallem admitted that the ship was en route Syria, from Iran. Do you seriously believe that the Israelis slipped aboard the ship, and stashed 600 tons of munitions aboard, hiding it containers, behind innocuous cargo, and then unloading it before TV cameras?
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Thu, November 5, 2009 - 4:43 AM"The Lavon Affair refers to the scandal over a failed Israeli covert operation in Egypt known as Operation Susannah, in which Israeli military intelligence planted bombs in Egyptian, American and British-owned targets in Egypt in the summer of 1954 in the hopes that "the Muslim Brotherhood, the Communists, 'unspecified malcontents' or 'local nationalists'" would be blamed.[1] It became known as the Lavon Affair after the Israeli defense minister Pinhas Lavon, who was forced to resign because of the incident, or euphemistically as the Unfortunate Affair (Hebrew: העסק הביש, HaEsek HaBish). In 2005, Israeli President Moshe Katzav honored the nine Egyptian Jewish agents who were involved.[2]"
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavon_Affair
Though in this instance I agree with you, Israel has a nasty history of orchestrating set ups
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Thu, November 5, 2009 - 10:01 AMAh. An actual war crime. It is illegal for Iran to transfer weapons to any other country, and certainly to a terrorist organization. Per Security Council resolutions. Note, unlike General Assembly resolutions, which are non-binding, and merely recommendations, and ICJ advisory rulings, which are merely advice, to be accepted or rejected as seen fit, Security Council resolutions are actually LAW. And those smart Israeli (read Jewish) lawyers know this.
Middle East & Israel Breaking News » Israel » Article
Nov 5, 2009 7:41 | Updated Nov 5, 2009 18:49
PM: UN Security Council should discuss Iranian 'war crime'
By JPOST.COM STAFF
Iran's attempt to smuggle hundreds of tons of weapons to Hizbullah is a "war crime," Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu said on Thursday, adding that the UN would do better to investigate the evident arms flow to Syria and south Lebanon from Iran instead of holding its scheduled discussion on the Goldstone Report.
Speaking at a Thursday briefing attended by IDF Chief of General Staff Lt.-Gen. Gabi Ashkenazi, Defense Minister Ehud Barak, OC Navy Admiral Eli Marom and Military Intelligence chief Maj.-Gen. Amos Yadlin, all of whom received his praise and acknowledgment for their part in the operation, the prime minister went on to stress the severity of the thwarted smuggling attempt.
"The ship was loaded with a huge quantity of weapons meant to reach Hizbullah. The purpose of the missiles was to kill as many civilians as possible. This is a war crime that the Iranian government planned to allow Hizbullah to execute, after [Hizbullah] has already fired thousands of rockets against our communities," Netanyahu said.
"It's a war crime on which the UN Security Council should have held an emergency special session, especially since we are talking about blatant violations of Security Council resolutions. This is a crime that the Iranian regime intends to repeat.
"This is what the international community should be concentrating on every day and on this day in particular. Instead, it has chosen to convene to condemn the IDF and the State of Israel and to undermine our legitimate right to self defense," Netanyahu said, referring to the discussion currently taking place on the Goldstone Report, which, he added "won't deter us."
"It won't prevent us from defending our citizens," the prime minister continued, "because Israeli citizens know the truth, that the IDF is a moral army. We know that what stands between war criminals and war crimes directed against Israeli citizens is the IDF and the Israeli security forces."
Ashkenazi praised the joint work of the navy, the military intelligence and the Mossad. "Without their ongoing, strenuous work, day after day, hour after hour, we wouldn't have had the intelligence enabling us to undertake such an operation," he said.
Yadlin added that besides the weaponry, there was a large amount of money on board the Francop which was meant to fund terror.
Tovah Lazaroff contributed to this report.
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Thu, November 5, 2009 - 6:55 PM<Though in this instance I agree with you, Israel has a nasty history of orchestrating set ups:>
Have any others? Or, does this one make a "nasty habit"?
When your Pal heroes set up photo-ops all the time to make up an orchestrated set up for cameras to appear that someone was harmed, you don't react similarly to that.
When your Pal heroes orchestrate a set up in buildings with human shields, knowing that innocents will die, you don't react similarly to that.
When your Pal heroes orchestrate a set up near buildings knowing that the Israelis will attack that location and innocent civilians will die, you don't react similarly to that.
I could go on forever, they commit so many orchestrated set ups.
You though? Have ONE confusing issue, the Lavon Affair which happened over FIFTY YEARS AGO. Yes, a "nasty history" of half a century ago.
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Thu, November 5, 2009 - 7:29 PMso its a war crime when one side arms itself?
what about whe the US ships helicopters, planes, tanks, missiles to israel? war crime? -
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Thu, November 5, 2009 - 7:49 PMno dub.................thats called a win win situation
we get $ and they get the guns
you know dat
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Thu, November 5, 2009 - 7:52 PM>so its a war crime when one side arms itself?<
When they set up a legitimate military and have all their operations staged in uniform, it won't be a war crime for them to have weapons. Instead, they operate in civilian clothing, which is a war crime punishable by death. Espionage. -
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Thu, November 5, 2009 - 8:24 PMthat seems absurd. sure states would like all insurgents to put on uniforms so they can execute them. i mean people in hell want icewater. lets get real. using htis definition, even conducting an insurgency against an occupying army is a "war crime".
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Thu, November 5, 2009 - 9:17 PMsociety changed a bit since the 1700's
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Thu, November 5, 2009 - 8:24 PMcDub:
> so its a war crime when one side arms itself?
Let's not forget UN resolution 1559.
It calls for all militia operating with Lebanon to be disbanded and disarmed.
Well... Hezbollah clearly has not disarmed. And since no one else seems capable or willing to stop them from further arming, Israel is forced to do it.
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Thu, November 5, 2009 - 8:25 PMyeah great job they did at that.
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Fri, November 6, 2009 - 12:58 PM<<<Let's not forget UN resolution 1559.
It calls for all militia operating with Lebanon to be disbanded and disarmed.
Well... Hezbollah clearly has not disarmed. And since no one else seems capable or willing to stop them from further arming, Israel is forced to do it.>>>
Yes Israel is all about compliance with UN resolutions.
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Thu, November 5, 2009 - 9:16 PM"When your Pal heroes set up photo-ops all the time to make up an orchestrated set up for cameras to appear that someone was harmed, you don't react similarly to that."
LOL @ you constantly whining.
Grow up Andrew and learn to behave like an adult
"I could go on forever, they commit so many orchestrated set ups. "
I'm sure you could, but none of that will ever justify the Levon affair, nor make it go away
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Fri, November 6, 2009 - 12:00 PMand none of it justifies Iran arming hezbollah as their proxies,,,
when people of both sides are called on their transgressions
then maybe something can actually move forward in this 21st century,,,
the list of grievances is long for everyone in history,,,sometimes
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Fri, November 6, 2009 - 12:05 PM"and none of it justifies Iran arming hezbollah as their proxies,,, "
Who said it did?
Someone brought up the possibility of Israel orchestrating a set-up as being next to impossible. So I pointed out how this was false.
If that upsets you then I really don't know what to tell you, besides grow up
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Sat, November 7, 2009 - 6:19 AMNov 4, 2009 16:14
Previous discoveries of Iranian attempts to smuggle arms
By JPOST.COM STAFF
# December 2001 - The Karin A vessel, loaded with weapons in Iran and bound for the Gaza Strip, sailed in the direction of Egypt with the intention of unloading its cargo there. Small fishing boats were meant to pick up the cargo and deliver it to the Gaza Strip. The ship, loaded with rockets, anti-tank missiles and light arms, was seized on January 3rd, 2002 by Israeli Naval Commandos.
# December 2003 - January 2004 - The Iranian Revolutionary Guard directed an aerial convoy to transfer weapons and supplies to Hizbullah via Syria. The aerial convoys were disguised as humanitarian aid intended for those injured in an earthquake in Bam, a city in southern Iran. The Iranians took advantage of the open airspace by trying to smuggle weapons to Hizbullah while humanitarian aid flights were landing in Iran from all over the world.
# May 2007 - An Iranian train carrying arms (mortar shells, light arms, rocket launchers and ammunition) was uncovered in Turkey. The arms were meant for Hizbullah. The Iranians attempted to conceal and disguise the arms in order to avoid suspicion by the Turkish authorities.
# January 2009 - An arms shipment sent by Iran was intercepted and seized in Cyprus after it was found on the Cypriot vessel Monchegorsk which had been leased by the Iranian Irisl shipping company. The Cargo was found to include tank, artillery and mortar shells as well as material for producing rockets.
# October 2009 - The Hansa India, which sailed from Iran flying a German flag, was due to unload a cargo of eight containers in Egypt. Following warnings from the German authorities, the vessel was not unloaded and continued on to Malta, where it was seized and found to be carrying bullets and industrial material intended for weapons production. The cargo was seemingly bound for Syria. -
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Sat, November 7, 2009 - 6:32 AMIt seem that in conjunction with the online tantrums you also have issue with reading comprehension:
From above: "I agree with you"
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Sat, November 7, 2009 - 6:58 AMOh, I forgot that you agreeing with somebody's position immediately brings all discussion to a topic to a halt. -
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Sat, November 7, 2009 - 7:05 AMNot at all, but when you continually respond to my posts with material such as the above, it seems pretty clear that you are addressing me. If not, then I suggest you pay closer attention to whom you respond to.
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Sat, November 7, 2009 - 7:13 AMI'll respond to whomever and whenever I wish. In this case, I was merely posting some relevant information, without really paying much attention to you one way or another. -
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Sat, November 7, 2009 - 7:22 AMPeep, what you may be mistaking as intended to convince you is really just another opportunity to vent his Muslim hatred.
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Sat, November 7, 2009 - 8:04 AM"I'll respond to whomever and whenever I wish."
Surely, but it will often lead to confusion, like the above. So don't complain when such instances arise
"In this case, I was merely posting some relevant information, without really paying much attention to you one way or another. "
Then you really have no reason to be complaining right now, do you?
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Sat, November 7, 2009 - 7:24 AMGood thing Israel doesn't have to smuggle arms, IT just has to buy them with our money from US based suppliers (often Israeli companies at that) -
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Sat, November 7, 2009 - 1:59 PMjohn you have a point there,,,
both sides should be held accountable and
both sides should be made to undestand that we are dealing with
humans who have similar needs,,, -
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Wed, November 11, 2009 - 6:35 AMIsrael Shows Documents It Says Link Iran to Arms
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JERUSALEM (AP) -- The Israeli military has released documents and photos that it says proves Iran was behind the massive shipment of weapons intercepted last week.
Israel says the ship seized was carrying 500 tons of Iranian-made weapons to Hezbollah guerrillas in Lebanon. The ship had dozens of containers with Iranian markings on it.
On Wednesday, the military released what it said was a manifest stating that the ship originated in Isfahan, Iran. Another document showed contents that were allegedly handled by ''Islamic Republic of Iran's Shipping Lines.'' Israel also showed what it says is a customs form stamped by Iranian Armed Forces.
Both Iran and Hezbollah have denied the Israeli claims.
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