Dan Lieberman: Face to Face with Hezbollah

topic posted Wed, January 16, 2008 - 1:09 AM by  imad
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Meetings with Hezbollah and Lebanese officials together with a trip to southern Lebanon revealed much about the nature of the Party of God. The voyage started in Beirut.
They speak English, carry I-pods and listen to Santana and Guns and Roses. They don’t approach with anger and don’t behave overbearing. They seem well-educated, mostly from Beirut’s American University, and are alert to world happenings. They impress as being more secular than pious. They are spokespersons for Hezbollah – the Party of God.

Maybe they are a selected group of well-trained talkers for foreigners; a subtle means to convince the unwary that Hezbollah’s followers are just every-day guys and gals. Maybe, but observations and events were inconsistent with the media’s drastic descriptions of the militant Lebanese Shiite movement. The Party of God has insufficient support for exercising political control of Lebanon and knows it doesn’t have the numbers or the strength to turn the Levant into an Islamic Republic. Hezbollah’s clerics don’t indicate they intend to force Shari’a upon their constituencies. More an amalgam of differing viewpoints - religious, social, political and militant – Hezbollah is solidified by a common struggle for the dispossessed and a battle against corruption.

Meetings with Hezbollah and Lebanese officials together with a trip to southern Lebanon, as a member of a Council for National Interest peace delegation, revealed much about the nature of the Party of God. The voyage started in Beirut.

The tenement building in Beirut is indistinguishable from the adjoining buildings in a Shiite district of Beirut. Hezbollah followers crowd the sidewalk to greet and lead to a simple apartment on an upper floor.
Sayyid Nawaf Al-Musawi, the head of Hezbollah’s International Relations, is dressed in conventional clothes. The only indication of religious fervor is the beads he rotates in his right hand. He sits relaxed but talks seriously and with conviction. The female translator’s minor errors and dubious translations of colloquial expressions are politely excused. The head of Hezbollah’s International Relations has a lot to say - about everything.

“In Iraq there is a severe humane problem – same as in Palestine. The West Bank is now a prison. The US gives no importance to the Iraqi people. US policy is based on Israel safety and Middle East oil.”

“America is creating chaos and the region is under its hegemony. The regime is increasing the problems rather than resolving them. Now they are talking about a new war in Iran . Iraq was weak, but Iran is strong and it will be a much harder war. A barrel of oil and a barrel of gunfire will create a catastrophe that is beyond comprehension. A disaster is happening and Americans are given a story that is false. They were lying about WMDs in Iraq and now they are lying about nuclear issues in Iran. They told the people that the Iraqis would welcome them as liberators. This is an example of a delusion to the citizens of the US. American citizens deserve to know the truth. Colin Powell gave false information to the UN but he thought it was the truth. When someone tries to find the truth he is called a terrorist. America operates on misleading evidence.”

Governing Lebanon

“The one who rules must be accepted by all the others. Now the minority is ruling, but this is supported by the U.S. Why does the U.S. want this? For the benefit of the Israelis. We are a movement only against Israeli attack and Israeli occupation. We support unity. We encourage consensus. The Vatican, the Arabs want unity in Lebanon, but the American influences in Lebanon do not want this. We want a multi-ethnic nation and not as in Israel, which calls itself a Jewish country even though ¼ of its citizens are Christians and Muslims. We cannot have an election with 50% plus one because the text of the constitution is clear — there has to be a 2/3 majority. A person elected by 50% plus one is not the President and only an imposter.”

Israel

“Hezbollah will never recognize Israel. Israel ( Palestine?) should be a democratic nation where all religions exist together and have equal freedom. In the 1919 Paris meeting, the Zionists presented a document which coveted South Lebanon and delineated four river basins they wanted to own.”

Sayyid Nawaf Al-Musawi ended his conversation with prophetic expressions: “We don’t judge you on the basis of your stand on Israel. Do not judge us on that issue.”

“There are natural ties between Shia Lebanon and Iran. They have the same source. The fifteenth Century Iranian studies came from Lebanon.”

“The geography of Lebanon enabled the Shia to stay. It is tough to conquer Southern Lebanon because of its geography.”

Leaving Beirut for the South of Lebanon is similar to leaving any metropolis – traffic jams, new expressways, roadways that cut through residential areas. The Paris of the Middle East has lost much of its charm. It is heavy until the view of the blue green Mediterranean waters calm the atmosphere. Banana groves, similar to those that camouflaged the Hezbollah rocket carriers during the 2006 summer war, are prominent. Also prominent are posters of Rafiq Hariri, the assassinated and previous Prime Minister.

After the Sunni city of Sidon, a peaceful countryside of groves and orchards, with newly repaired bridges that cross ready-to-be-paved roads, leads to Tyre. The Shiite city has freshly sanded beaches and a picturesque seaside promenade. The poster has changed – they now feature Hassan Nasrallah, Hezbollah’s political leader.

Tyre is the home of Sheik Nabil Kaook, Hezbollah commander of South Lebanon. The Sheik narrowly escaped death when Israeli warplanes bombed his home in 2006 war.

In his presence, women are not greeted with handshakes, but with hands respectfully placed over the heart. The women sit veiled and separate from the men. The cleric is well groomed and well tailored – his white turban shows his status and his brown cloak matches the brown chair on which he sits, Words are spoken politely and softly. Nevertheless, the message, interspersed with feelings for the dispossessed, is harsh and accusatory: The Hezbollah Sheik has one succinct message: “The United States took the decision to go to war and to continue the war. It treats Lebanon as just another occupation.”

Tyre is also identified with the Al-Sadr foundation, which manages an orphanage under control of Rabab al-Sadr, sister of disappeared Shiite cleric Sayyid Musa al-Sadr. Shi‘a clerics who have the title of sayyid claim descent from Muhammad. Sayyid Musa al-Sadr is more famous than his designation. His life, a story of dedication, success and an eventual mystery, reveals strong links between Shiites from Iran , Iraq and Lebanon .

Born in Qom, Iran in 1928 to a Lebanese family of theologians, Musa al-Sadr studied theology in Najaf, Iraq. Being related to the father of Iraq’s Muqtada al-Sadr, Iraq was another home for him. In 1960 Musa al-Sadr moved to Tyre, his father’s birthplace. He soon became recognized as a strong advocate for the economically and politically disadvantaged Shi'ite population. His role in establishing schools and medical clinics throughout southern Lebanon led to the 1974 founding of the Movement of the Disinherited, whose armed wing became Amal, the other Shiite party in Lebanon. While successfully improving economic and social conditions for a disenfranchised Shiite population, he made enemies of landlords, corrupt officials, political establishment and members of the Palestinian Liberation Oganization. In 1978, while attending a conference in Libya, Musa al-Sadr mysteriously vanished. No clue to his disappearance has ever surfaced.

Musa al-Sadr‘s eventual disassociation with, what was then, a corrupt Amal, created other groups, some of whom later coalesced into Hezbollah. On February 16, 1985, an “Open Letter to the Downtrodden in Lebanon and the World,” alerted the world to Hezbollah’s formal existence.

Elegant chalets grace the barren hills of southern Lebanon. Many of them are homes of expatriate Lebanese, who have always been principal contributors to Lebanon’s economy. The expatriates from Sierra Leone, Gulf States and many from Dearborn, Michigan and other U.S. cities, send funds to their Lebanese relatives and purchase properties throughout Lebanon. Southern Lebanon has many retired Dearborns who have returned to their families and to a land they always cherished. But that’s not all – informed persons claim Southern Lebanon has diamond and drug smuggling that help finance Hezbollah and local communities. For expediency and revenue, the Party of God can depart from being a religious movement.

The elegant chalets emphasize the destruction to villages during the 2006 summer war. Bint Jbiel, “the daughter of the mountain,” rested in a path of the invading Israeli army. Israel’s military dropped leaflets that ordered the population to leave the village. The inhabitants obeyed the order and now the old city, not the new part, is 70% destroyed; a mound of rubble that includes the 600 year old mosque. Homes along a near by dirt road are pocked with shell and bullet holes, evidence of tanks having discharged random fire at empty houses for no apparent reason except they were close to the path of the tank. A total of eighteen Israeli tanks broke down, crashed or were destroyed by Hezbollah ambush during the Israeli invasion.

The Israeli border is several kilometers away. From a hill close to the mined border with Israel, the deputy mayor of Marjayoun pointed to the verdant fields of Northern Israel. He claimed that in 1948 Israel seized one kilometer of Lebanese territory and that the houses in the distance are mainly empty.

Damage weary Lebanon is not confined to the border area. Timur Goksel, former senior advisor to the United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon (UNIFIL), who has been in Lebanon for twenty years, noted he had never witnessed so much wanton destruction. He said that Iran funds an Iranian Hezbollah that has no connections with Lebanese Hezbollah. Five hundred million dollars of these funds are being used to repair war-damaged southern Lebanon. In contrast, the U.S. is contributing 34 million dollars to repair a large bridge. Timor Goksel refutes the March 14 majority party charge that Hezbollah is obstructionist: “The Shiites (not all Hezbollah) are 30% of the country and cannot rule on their own. They want to have a role in the government and they want to be a mainstream party.”

Principal leaders in the Lebanese government support Goksel’s evaluation. Former general Michel Aoun, Christian head of the Change and Reform parliamentary bloc, wants what Hezbollah wants; a new parliament where the new majority will be accepted. Aoun’s bloc has a memorandum of understanding (MOU) with Hezbollah. He insisted the MOU is not an alliance but a strategy for integrating Hezbollah into a mutual defense of Lebanon.

Ex-general and Maronite President of Lebanon, Emil Lahoud, agreed with Hezbollah’s determination to follow constitutional law and only elect a president with a 2/3 quorum. The Lebanese president describes Hezbollah as “one hundred percent Lebanese. Hezbollah takes material assistance from Iran and would take it from the devil if necessary to protect their country. They are not terrorists.”

Fawsi Salloukh, Lebanon’s Minister of Foreign Affairs talked from a prepared document that severely criticized Israel and the United States. He also wants a new election and not a litigious issue. He doesn’t believe Iran wants to dominate Hezbollah and stressed its natural for Shiites in Lebanon and Iran to establish good relations.

Forgotten amidst the rhetoric, but mentioned by Michel Aoun and Emil Lahoud are simple facts: Hezbollah has had electoral alliances with Saad Hariri’s Future Movement, Druze leader Walid Jumblatt and Noah Berri’s Amal . In 1999, Hezbollah members of Lebanon’s engineering syndicate formed a coalition with the Phalange Party, a rightist Christian group, and the National Liberal Party, both allies of Israel during the civil war.

The Halifee restaurant in the Dahieh neighborhood is considered a popular dining place for Hezbollah followers; only two blocks from the Haret Hreil Hussineyeh mosque, whose senior cleric is Hezbollah religious leader Mohammad al-Husein Fadlalalh. Israeli bombers, during the July 2006 war, leveled the cleric’s home, as well as part of the surrounding area. The restaurant crowds with persons enjoying the food, enjoying the elegant surroundings, enjoying the evening. There is no indication of a particular type of person; no sign of a distinctive Hezbollah character.

La Terase is a restaurant located on Hadi Nasrallah, a street, named after Hasan Nassrallah’s deceased son. Huge craters from Israeli bombing still remain in the adjacent neighborhood. Enter la Terrase and first have a choice of a coffee bar. Go deeper and there is a cafeteria. Further in is a small restaurant. Climb the stairs and enter a huge restaurant surrounded by couches on which linger multitudes of young couples; drinking coffee, engaged in conversations and quiet embraces – hardly images of Hezbollah.

Innocent Americans were killed on September 11, 2001 by Al-Qaeda terrorists who considered the World Trade Center to be imperialist land - the center of the U.S. establishment. Innocent Lebanese were killed on July 15, 2006, one day of many bombardments that contributed to vast destruction of the Dahieh district by Israeli military who considered Dahieh to be Hezbollah land - the center of the Hezbollah establishment. The U.S. and Hezbollah establishments still exist. Many innocents died in both places. The U.S. remembers the day 9/11 as a bitter memory. Lebanon had a mid-summer nightmare of smaller 9/11’s; angry memories the residents of Dahieh will forever retain. The western world rightfully memorializes America’s tragedy but neglects Lebanon’s equal tragedies. It is that neglect which created Hezbollah, sustains Hezbollah and makes Hezbollah popular throughout the Arab world.
posted by:
imad
Lebanon
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  • Re: Dan Lieberman: Face to Face with HisPigShit

    Wed, January 16, 2008 - 6:20 AM
    How can you refer to a pack of murderous psychopath terrorists as " the party of god"~? There is nothing godly about them. They are an abhorrent vile vermin worthy of nothing more noble than extermination.
    • Re: Dan Lieberman: Face to Face with HisPigShit

      Wed, January 16, 2008 - 10:38 AM
      > How can you refer to a pack of murderous psychopath terrorists as " the party of god"~? There is nothing godly about them. They are an abhorrent vile vermin worthy of nothing more noble than extermination.

      I don't like the Republicans either, Cliff, but ... don't you think calling them "abhorrent vile vermin worthy of nothing more noble than extermination" is a bit strong? I mean, some folks out there may simply be misled, say, for example, some old country-lawyer coot so blinded by his fear of <gasp> *COMMUNISM!!!!* </gasp> that he's tricked into supporting and defending Absolute Thugs.

      (Ohhh ... you meant some *Islamic* "Party of God", not our American one! So confusing, with all these different warring Parties of the One True God all over the place ...)

  • Re: Dan Lieberman: Face to Face with Hezbollah

    Wed, January 16, 2008 - 9:18 AM
    Thanks for posting this. People forget that Lebanon was a thriving cosmopolitan center of civilization while Northern Europe was still mostly populated by neolithic savages. People also forget that Shia fundamentalists look like liberal vegetarian pacifists compared to Sunni Wahabiists. And those Sunni Wahabiists include the guy that George Bush addresses as "your majesty".
    • Re: Dan Lieberman: Face to Face with Hezbollah

      Wed, January 16, 2008 - 10:20 AM
      For a real and well researched look at Lebanon I highly suggest you go look at Michael Totten,s web blog. Lets face it, Dan probably spent all of 2 hours with Hezbollah and they probably had 2 months to prepare for his interview. The reality is much different. You will have to do some searching but Micheal Totten actually went and spent time with all the sides of the conflict, Israelis,Hezbollah and supporters, and the antiSyria/Christians. He has actually lived in Lebanon and I trust his views more then Dan Liebermans.
      • Re: Dan Lieberman: Face to Face with Hezbollah

        Wed, January 16, 2008 - 11:15 AM
        Totten wants you to pay for his precious writings on Lebanon. Fuck him.

        What he does have freely available at his website is just neo-liberal soft-core Zionism. We already have Thomas Friedman for that.

        Totten stated in May of 2003 that he "sees eye to eye with the Republicans, especially in regard to foreign policy."
        • Re: Dan Lieberman: Face to Face with Hezbollah

          Wed, January 16, 2008 - 1:13 PM
          Can you post a link to this statement to prove its not taken out of context? When I look at the archives on his site there is no may of 2003. I could care less what his personal views are. He talks to all sides, which is more then most jounalists do. I doubt some of the people he ends up talking to would actually talk to a neo-liberal soft-core Zionist. One other thing that calls your quote into question is that he routinely publishes his work on a softcore site. Where you can read his articles for free.
          • Re: Dan Lieberman: Face to Face with Hezbollah

            Wed, January 16, 2008 - 2:27 PM

            I'd like to point out in the face of this bare propaganda that Imad has presented that even the Arab League (Or who was it that was trying to get some peace plan on the table?) left Lebanon in disgust three or so days ago, because Hezbollah would not allow the Lebanese to have control of their own country.

            The Lebanese want a peaceful country, but Hezbollah want to be power-players there, so they hold the entire country hostage, with Hezbollah's guns pointed at them. Niiiiiiiiice.

            What's up with those pesky non-Hezbollah friendly Lebanese wanting to have a country without Civil War. What idiots, 'eh?
            • Re: Dan Lieberman: Face to Face with Hezbollah

              Wed, January 16, 2008 - 3:58 PM
              >> Hezbollah would not allow the Lebanese to have control of their own country. <<

              The majority of people in Lebanon are Muslim and poor - but the government of Lebanon has always represented the wealthy and the Christian minority. Hezbollah's power derives from the fact that they are based among the people who have historically been completely excluded from political power in Lebanon - but who make up the majority of the country. Not only that - but Hezbollah is the only force in Lebanon that has ever been able to effectively resist and even defeat israeli aggression.

              It is those who want to exclude, or at least marginalize, Hezbollah from political power that are causing instability. If a force as militarily powerful and as popular among the people as Hezbollah is excluded this leads inevitably to conflict.

              In the post-colonial era Lebanon has always been run by warlords and thugs who represent a minority of the people. The assassinated politicians over whom the western media cries crocodile tears and paints as great martyrs for democracy always turn out to be Phalangist thugs.

              What is happening in Lebanon is not pretty - and the Hezbollah are not exactly boy scouts. But there is no black and white struggle between good and evil going on here. There is a real political struggle that reflects long unresolved conflicts in Lebanese society. Didn't anyone learn anything from the cold-war? Supporting some group of bloodthirsty gangsters just because they are "pro-Western" and then touting them as the saviors of democracy just makes you look stupid. And the same goes for knee-jerk pigenoholing the bad-guys as "terrorists" (or communists or whatever) when what they really are is just garden variety nationalists.
              • Re: Dan Lieberman: Face to Face with Hezbollah

                Thu, January 17, 2008 - 2:39 AM

                Generally speaking, Corn is right. That said, this line is in my opinion not exactly correct: "And the same goes for knee-jerk pigenoholing the bad-guys as "terrorists" (or communists or whatever) when what they really are is just garden variety nationalists."

                When this group's military actions are pretty much specifically terrorist actions against innocent Israelis - that makes them terrorists. Yes, they at one point acted only upon the Israeli military - which is not quite as bad - but they have gone against civilian targets in the last few years. So......they're terrorists.
                • Re: Dan Lieberman: Face to Face with Hezbollah

                  Fri, January 18, 2008 - 7:57 AM
                  >> When this group's military actions are pretty much specifically terrorist actions against innocent Israelis - that makes them terrorists. Yes, they at one point acted only upon the Israeli military - which is not quite as bad - but they have gone against civilian targets in the last few years. So......they're terrorists. <<

                  Hezbollah's actions are no more (and, for that matter, no less) "terrorist" than any other military organization - and this is especially (but not at all exclusively) true of modern warfare. If we are willing to concede that all sides in WWI and WWII were "terrorists" - and that the United States is the world's leading "terrorist" nation - with Israel trailing close behind - then yes, Hezbollah's targetting of Israeli cities with rockets is "terrorism". But Hezbollah is just fighting fire with fire. The civilian casualties (killed) in Lebanon from Israeli military actions over the last three decades is probably over 10,000 - in a country with a total population roughly that of the city of Los Angeles.

                  The Continental Army engaged in "terrorism" against civilians who supported the British during the Revolutionary War. Partisans who fought against the Nazis in Europe engaged in "terrorism". At least two of Israel's prime ministers were members of blatantly "terrorist" groups that were part of the early Zionist movement in Palestine.
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                    Re: Dan Lieberman: Face to Face with Hezbollah

                    Fri, January 18, 2008 - 2:47 PM
                    <The civilian casualties (killed) in Lebanon from Israeli military actions over the last three decades is probably over 10,000 - in a country with a total population roughly that of the city of Los Angeles.>

                    Yes, but may I please point out that ISRAEL WOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN IN LEBANON without Hizbollah!!!! Especially in the last few years! Not ONE of those people that you describe would have died by any Israeli action if Hizbollah was not attacking Israel from within Lebanon, causing Israel to have to move or act within Lebanon.

                    <At least two of Israel's prime ministers were members of blatantly "terrorist" groups that were part of the early Zionist movement in Palestine.>

                    Yep. And my point all along is what is happening NOW. If Hizbollah today said that they'd never again use force against Israel is Israel never used force against the Lebanese, I'd be in full support of Israel negotiating or in general making peace with them. As soon as ANY group eschews violence, I support any effort towards peace with them. I mean, Israel is negotiating with Fatah, for fuck sakes!! They have killed dozens? Hundreds of Israelis? Right? But, they have chosen to move towards peace, so..........

                    Yeah.
            • Re: Dan Lieberman: Face to Face with Hezbollah

              Thu, January 17, 2008 - 12:53 AM
              ".... that even the Arab League (Or who was it that was trying to get some peace plan on the table?) left Lebanon in disgust three or so days ago, because Hezbollah"

              u have absolutely no clue of whats going on, right?
              i mean hizbullah didn't have anything to do with the negotiations that took place this week, its the FPM leader who is conducting all the talks and negotiations. Its funny when poeple like andrew talk out of complete ignorance of whats going on in lebanon or the arab countries.
              • Re: Dan Lieberman: Face to Face with Hezbollah

                Thu, January 17, 2008 - 2:40 AM
                <mean hizbullah didn't have anything to do with the negotiations that took place this week, >

                Imad, you're full of shit.

                For anyone to say that Hezbollah had no influence in any discussions that were going on.......? Ha. Laughable.
                • Re: Dan Lieberman: Face to Face with Hezbollah

                  Thu, January 17, 2008 - 7:57 AM
                  pardon me andrew, u seem to know more about Lebanon than a Lebanese, u seem to read the local lebanese newspapers daily and watch the lebanese daily news at night too, with all the political talk shows and u seem to be an active member in some lebanese political party.
                  thanks for the insight on lebanese issues.
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                    Re: Dan Lieberman: Face to Face with Hezbollah

                    Thu, January 17, 2008 - 2:19 PM

                    You're welcome. Someone has to point the dishonesty behind your propaganda.

                    "On Lebanon, Muallem said Syria would support ongoing efforts by the Arab League to break Beirut's presidential deadlock....Lebanon has been without a head of state since Emile Lahoud stepped down last November 23 with no elected successor because of a long-running dispute between the Western-backed majority and the Hezbollah-led opposition."
                    afp.google.com/article/AL...cHKLj9EoW6A

                    But, what the fuck do they know? You know more.

                    "Steinmeier also said Germany expects Syria to use its influence in neighboring Lebanon to allow for the return of a stable government, following the recent upheaval. Lebanon has been without a president since pro-Syrian President Emile Lahoud's term ended Nov. 23, compounding a yearlong power struggle between the Western-backed government of Prime Minister Fuad Saniora and the Hezbollah-led opposition."
                    www.pr-inside.com/german-fo...392253.htm

                    They are dumb, too. Those stupid AP writers. Probably writing this from some anteroom of a synagogue or something.

                    Here, 76 stories that all say the same thing.

                    news.google.com/news

                    But, you know more. So, I suggest that you write each of these journalists and tell them how they're wrong......

                    That said! Maybe if you dig through all of these news articles, maybe you can find one that says what you want them to say?
                    • Re: Dan Lieberman: Face to Face with Hezbollah

                      Fri, January 18, 2008 - 2:18 AM
                      thats exactly the propaganda ur reading, and which i can assure u is untrue 100%.
                      i'll show u how.
                      1."On Lebanon, Muallem said Syria would support ongoing efforts by the Arab League to break Beirut's presidential deadlock....Lebanon has been without a head of state since Emile Lahoud stepped down last November 23 with no elected successor because of a long-running dispute between the Western-backed majority and the Hezbollah-led opposition."

                      this is sentence starts right but ends with a propaganda statement!! "..because of a long-running dispute between the Western-backed majority and the Hezbollah-led opposition"
                      this statement is totally untrue as much as u want to believe it. first because the opposition is not led by hizbullah, and second becuase long-running dispute is between FPM leader and the others and later hizbullah supported FPM leader in his opposition.


                      2. "Steinmeier also said Germany expects Syria to use its influence in neighboring Lebanon to allow for the return of a stable governmen"
                      Steinmeier can say anything, bush and condi can say anything, ur friend olmert can say anything, that doesn't mean its true. as i have said before its gthe FPM leader who'sthe negotiator for the opposition, and if u don't know who this guy is, well,
                      a. he was the first man to declare war on syria.
                      b. he was the one who stood in the congress and asked for the UN to draft a resolution to kick syria out of lebanon while senoira and all the current goverment were num 1 supporters of syria.

                      so yes they are dumb but those who believe them are even dumber.
                      • Re: Dan Lieberman: Face to Face with Hezbollah

                        Fri, January 18, 2008 - 3:44 AM
                        <this statement is totally untrue as much as u want to believe it. first because the opposition is not led by hizbullah, and second becuase long-running dispute is between FPM leader and the others and later hizbullah supported FPM leader in his opposition. >

                        The point is that PART OF THE OPPOSITION IS HIZBOLLAH SUPPORTERS!!!!!

                        Without Hizbollah sticking their noses into this issue, perhaps there WOULD NOT BE AN ISSUE!!!!

                        Hizbollah does not want a Christian leadership, so they and other Muslim groups are making problems so that there is no government!!!

                        To say that Hizbollah has nothing to do with this problem is where the propaganda starts.

                        <so yes they are dumb but those who believe them are even dumber.>

                        Yes, I agree - but my main point is that Hizbollah and Syria overall are not helping the situation.

                        That said, I will look more into FPM and get a better idea of at least their part in this.

                        • Re: Dan Lieberman: Face to Face with Hezbollah

                          Fri, January 18, 2008 - 6:29 AM
                          "Hizbollah does not want a Christian leadership, so they and other Muslim groups are making problems so that there is no government!!!"

                          seriously andrew that is the funniest sentence i read. i am not being sarcastic or anything but its just that i am wondering how poeple get these ideas from? its the christain leadership that started all this because they didn't give them the right representation in the goverment, later hizbullah joined forces with the christain majority because of hte way the seniora goverment was working and to put more christains in the goverment.
                          listen andrew, u might hate hizbullah becuase u support israel, and i understand this completely. from ur point of view hizbullah is a terrorist organization becuase of its attaks on israel , i might agree with some stuff and i might disagree or give another view point on that issue. but believe me in the current internal lebanese affairs and inside the lebanese society hizbullah are better than most of the other parties. i myself object on many of hizbullah actions, but i am not affraid to admit when they do right. if u know seniora and the poeple usa is backing u should know what am i talking about.
                          • Re: Dan Lieberman: Face to Face with Hezbollah

                            Fri, January 18, 2008 - 2:43 PM
                            <but believe me in the current internal lebanese affairs and inside the lebanese society hizbullah are better than most of the other parties.>

                            I agree with you completely - and that's part of the problem, is it not? I know that Hizbollah has done many good things for the people of Lebanon. They use much of the support money that they get for the social programs that the Lebanese government (whichever over the last few decades) did not care to provide. They fed people, they educated people - of all of this I am aware.

                            My problem is that it is Hizbollah that has caused Israel to get involved in Lebanon. It was not any of these other governments - it's Israel. If Hizbollah had just kept their attention and action focused on Lebanon, we'd not be having many of these discussions about Israel. There'd be no attacks from Israel on Lebanon, there'd be very much less risk of destabilization of the country......

                            That's my point. Yes, Hizbollah move back and forth as they choose depending on the issue d'jour. Even more so, because so any of the Palestinians are stuck up in Lebanon, I understand their reason d'tere, but what I do not understand is how they can be such a violent and negative force when they could use all of their power to be a force for POSITIVE change.

                            Anyway. That's my point.

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