<(not that this refutes your point or anything, and... not that i'm a democrat...)>

it's 'owned' by its members. and if most of its members are liberals ...

in any case their entire purpose is protection of the second amendment.

and the entire purpose of the second amendment is to prevent a tyrannical government.

and considering bushco, what the heck could be wrong with that?

it's time to embrace the nra AND their mission.

if an unarmed man can stop tanks for a short time in china, i think having a 38 special would be an advantage.

< I can just see those tanks and attack helicopters cowed into retreat after I wave my 38 special at them >

it will start with a blackwater type force. a 'privatized' armed force sanctioned by the government. a mercenary force.

a force whose Primary allegience is to who is paying them.

the primary allegience of the armed forced of the us will still be the constitution.

big difference.

and an assault rifle with armour piercing ammo is formidable in the hands of someone who knows how to use it.

:: I can just see those tanks and attack helicopters cowed into retreat after I wave my 38 special at them

i guess the idea is to use your .38 to steal an M60 and a flack jacket. the idea after that is to use your M60 to steal some anti-tank munitions. and so on...

<Make sure you at least buy an assault rifle, hey bush let the ban expire in 04' might as well use it against him>

good point and damn rights. and learn how to shoot it. it's time to get serious. these bastards mean business.

plus the bigger and badder the guns the libs buy the more it will shake them up.

< I've been saying this for years, d'zoner. >

are you an nra member, mary.

if not, are you going to join?

< is not going to stop Buch and Co.... >

got an arguement, lay it out.

you're a moron.

omfg!
Cliff - this is by far the scariest - and the creepiest! - thing i've heard on tribe politics yet.
i'm so not kidding.

<how (and where) do you buy a gun anyway?

and... don't they automatically put you on some list of the dangerous subversives if you (legally) buy a gun these days? just curious >

any sporting goods store or gunshop.
there is a waiting period to buy a gun while they check to make sure you are not a convicted felon.
or have an arrest warrent.

as for a list, they are required by law to erase any data on you if you come up clean on the check, but who knows for sure these days. in any case as a gun owner you come under the umbrella of the most hard core and serious and influential defenders of the second amendment on the planet.
check out the NRA site and join up. they will be more than happy to assist you. are you a citizen of the usa?

Kelly - you definitely have a valid point there

P.S. can't wait to see 'zoner's counter-argument to that!

"Has the thought of armed rightwingers - of which there are many- ever stopped any of you progressives out there from engaging in political activity?"

Excellent point Kelly.

<So let me get this striaght. You think that if a bunch of liberals buy guns and join the NRA, Bush will be too scared to continue on his neocon agenda? >

get this "striaght". gotta admit, that's pretty freudingly funny.

no. i think it will throw them off balance. in a way that they will not be able to easily if at all recover from.
it is utterly logical to assume there exists in their plan to impose an operational autocracy a step calling for the disarming of the citizenry. this would be done at a time of their choosing and with a through groundwork laid to facilitate it.

and the mass arming of the liberals, a CHANGE of their paradigm into gun owning, NRA card carrying 2nd amendment defenders WOULD be a serious challenge to their plan and their continuance. and they would surely react as such. every imposed autocracy in history has had as a primary goal the dis-armament of the ctizenry and the monopoly of serious wearonry to their own militia/military. there is a reason this is so. a hunting rifle is a serious weapon. with it you can reach out and KILL instantly a body armored opponent at several hundred yards. if you are accurate enough.

<I think that all that will happen is the NRA will have more money to give to Republicans.>

the republicans support their cause. for the time being. if the prolibs decided it was in their best interests to support their cause and did so and MEANT it, that would start to change, and the republican politican leadership would start to WAFFLE on their support. they would have no choice. and why the hell not be on the side of the NRA. at least they are passionate and serious defenders of one of the bill of rights. and so should we be. we now know what is possible. and as technology continues to advance, the future danger will not diminish.

<What's your plan if the thought of armed liberals ISN'T enough to make the The White House change its ways? Start shooting people? Threaten to start shooting people?>

the plan is to ally with the true DEFENDERS of the bill of rights. and the NRA members ARE true and passionate defenders of the 2nd amendment. why should we not also? and by allying with those defenders we throw bushco corp. into uncertainty and disarray. i'll guarantee this is nowhere to be found in their plans or contingencies. they will be painted into corner. and if push comes to shove, and blackwater comes to take you to halliburton 'camp hotel', to spend your days in slave labor for the machine, well, fight. make it cost them. the saying 'they'll have to pry my gun from my cold dead hands' is not lightly or idly said in the NRA. most of them MEAN it.

<Has the thought of armed rightwingers - of which there are many- ever stopped any of you progressives out there from engaging in political activity?>

right. the thought of the GOVERNMENT and what they can do is what gives one PAUSE. armed right wingers do not see you as a threat. unless you try to take away their GUNS. THEN you are a threat.

I'd rather have one of these:

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