cDub - since i promised you links a few days ago..
(see, i didn't forget, i was just away from the computer... ;)
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this is a good start (a collection of articles):
www.blackagendareport.com/index.php
particularly see these:
Obama: What Blacks and Progressives Have Bought Into
www.blackagendareport.com/index.php
Barack Obama: Progressives Beware!
www.blackagendareport.com/index.php
www.blackagendareport.com/index.php
Freedom Rider: Progressives Cave to Obama
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Barack Obama and The Audacity of Deception: The Manufacture of Progressive Illusion
12 December 2007 by Paul Street
www.blackagendareport.com/index.php
Barack Obama and his corporate handlers are masters of smoke and mirrors. Obama claims to have bumped his Afro-centric pastor from his official presidential announcement to "protect" the minister, rather than to shield his own candidacy. Obama implies that Hillary Clinton is a tool of corporate money, when he is a cog in the very same machine. He tells a Black audience that his own conception was made possible by civil rights struggles at Selma, Alabama, 1965, and Birmingham, 1963 - but Obama was born in 1961. And he claims a vote for him is the equivalent of joining the anti-war movement. Of course, real anti-war activity isn't that easy - what comes easy for Barack Obama, is lying.
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(originally published on Znet: Barack Obama and The Audacity of Deception
Reflections on the Manufacture of Progressive Illusion
December 06, 2007 By Paul Street
www.zcommunications.org/znet/v...e/15765 )
“From the very beginning, Barack Obama said No to the War in Iraq. Join the movement to end the war and change Washington.”
- Flyer mailed to Iowa voters, Obama for America (Des Moines, IA)
All mainstream United States politicians regularly purvey falsehoods big and small, but United States Senator Barack Obama (D-IL) and his campaign lie and deceive with distinctively nauseating chutzpah.
TO “PROTECT” JEREMIAH WRIGHT
Last February, for example, Obama promptly revoked Rev. Jeremiah Wright’s scheduled statement of a public prayer before the senator officially declared his bid for the White House. A preacher known for fiery sermons against American racism, poverty, and imperialism, Wright was Obama’s avowed spiritual mentor – his personal agent of religious conversion on the South Side of Chicago in the middle 1980s.
Last April, Obama told New York Times reporter Jodi Kantor that he was “only shielding his pastor from the spotlight” when he booted Wright from the stage (Kantor 2007). In July, Obama told Newsweek reporters Darren Briscoe and Richard Wolffe that he “may have been over-protective” toward Wright (Briscoe and Wolffe 2007).
But everybody knew Obama had acted to protect his campaign from charges that it was too closely connected to a preacher who occasionally questioned dominant U.S. social hierarchies. Kantor said as much when she wrote that “Mr. Wright’s assertions of widespread white racism and his scorching remarks about American government have drawn criticism, and prompted the senator to cancel his delivery of the invocation when he formally announced his candidacy in February” (Kantor 2007).
“SO THEY GOT TOGETHER AND BARACK OBAMA, JR. WAS BORN”
But the Rev. Wright story was just a little white lie compared to the big black fib Obama told in Selma, Alabama last March. Trying to sound authentically African-American during a speech memorializing the forty-second anniversary of the 1965 Voting Rights March at the Pettis Bridge in Selma, Obama claimed that his black (Kenyan) father and white (Kansan) mother married and conceived the future Barockstar because of the great Civil Rights struggles fought in Selma and Birmingham, Alabama. “There was something stirring across the country because of what happened in Selma, Alabama,” Obama intoned, “because some folks are willing to march across a bridge. So they [his parents] got together and Barack Obama Jr. was born.”
“So don't tell me I don't have a claim on Selma, Alabama,” Obama droned on. “Don't tell me I'm not coming home to Selma, Alabama. I'm here because somebody marched. I'm here because you all sacrificed for me” (Obama 2007).
Wow. Too bad Barack Obama Jr. was born in 1961, two years before the famous campaign to desegregate Birmingham, three years before the Civil Rights Act, and four years before the famous Selma march!
It’s true that Obama’s immaculate multicultural conception came four years after the Montgomery Bus Boycott, but his parents “getting together” across racial didn’t have much to do with the Civil Rights Movement. It was more likely a reflection of the fact that his home island of Hawaii was relatively “tolerant” on racial questions – a distant geographic and cultural cry from the racially segregated U.S. South to which Obama absurdly tried to claim strong biographical connection.
“NOT BECAUSE OF THE FOLKS WRITING THE BIG CHECKS”
But let’s move on to more substantive matters. It’s important not to get overly mired in personal matters along the lines of Hillary Clinton’s recent (literal) kindergarten assault (Bosman 2007)on Obama (1).
Last August, Obama audaciously told thousands of labor union members at Chicago’s Soldier Field that he was “running for president...because of you, not because of folks who are writing big checks” (Helman 2007). He made a big point of the fact that he “does not take money from corporate lobbyists,” unlike business-friendly Hillary Clinton.
He uttered his worker-pleasing words even as his campaign was bending with fierce plutocratic winds fanned by giant global investment firms and corporations that were helping him join leading corporate Democrat Clinton in setting new electoral fundraising records.
Ever wonder why the “progressive” (as he repeatedly describes himself) Obama dances for Wall Street on the (fake) Social Security “crisis” (Krugman 2007a) and sounds like Mitt Romney and Rudy Guliani in decrying the specter of “government mandated” universal health care (Krugman 2007b)? Curious about why the avowed environmentalist thinks that nuclear power should be considered part of the solution to America’s energy crisis and has recently joined Hillary in voting for the extension of the corporate-neoliberal North American Free Trade Agreement to Peru?
Follow the money. Obama’s presidential campaign has received nearly $5 million dollars from securities and investment firms and $866,000 from commercial banks through October of 2007. Obama’s top contributor so far is Goldman Sachs (provider of $369,078 to Obama), identified by Center for Responsive Politics (CRP) investigators as “a major proponent of privatizing Social Security as well as legislation that would essentially deregulate the investment banking/securities industry.” Eight of Obama’s top twenty election investors are securities and investment firms: Goldman Sachs, Lehman Bros. (number 2 at $229,090), J.P. Morgan Chase and Co. (# 4 at $216,759), Citadel Investment Group (#7 at 4166,608), UBS AG ($146,150), UBS-America ($106,680), Morgan Stanley ($104,421), and Credit Suisse Group ($92,300). The last two firms are also known to be leading privatization advocates (Center for Responsive Politics 2007a).
Meanwhile, Obama’s presidential run has been “assisted” by more than $2 million from the health care sector and nearly $400,000 from the insurance industry through October of 2007 (Center for Responsive Politics 2007b). Obama received $708,000 from medical and insurance interests between 2001 and 2006 (Center for Responsive Politics 2007c). His wife Michelle, a fellow Harvard Law graduate, was until a recently a Vice President for Community and External Affairs at the University of Chicago Hospitals, a position that paid her $273, 618 in 2006 (Sweet 2007).
And Obama’s sixth largest contributor is Exelon, the proud Chicago-based owner and operator of more nuclear power plants than any entity on earth (Center for Responsive Politics 2007a).
Go figure.
As for his “lobbyist ban,” last August the Los Angeles Times reported that Obama “raised more than $1 million in the first three months of his presidential campaign from law firms and companies that have major lobbying operations in the nation’s capital.” Campaign finance expert Stephen Weissman observed that this raised troubling questions about the practical relevance of Obama’s much-ballyhooed pledge to turn down donations from “federal lobbyists.”
As Los Angeles Times reporter Dan Morain explained “some of the most influential [lobbyist] players, lawyers and consultants among them, skirt disclosure requirements by merely advising clients and associates who do actual lobbying, and avoiding regular contact with policymakers. Obama’s ban does not cover such individuals.”
Thus, to give one example, Obama received $33,000 in the first quarter of 2007 from the Atlanta-based law firm Alston & Bird, which maintains a large lobbying division in Washington. Obama’s $33,000 came bundled from a number of “consultants” employed by the firm.
Also deleted from Obama’s “ban” are state lobbyists. Obama took $2000 from two Springfield, Illinois lobbyists for Exelon, which spent $500,000 to influence policy in Washington in 2006 and gave $160,000 directly to Obama (Morain 2007).
A big dent in the armor of Obama’s effort to sell himself as the noble repudiator of lobbyist, PAC, and special interest money generally was inflicted in early August of 2007. That’s when the Boston Globe published a widely circulated article titled “PACs and Lobbyists Aided Obama’s Rise: Data Contrast With His Theme.” Globe reporter Scott Helman reviewed campaign finance records to find that a “more complicated truth” lurked “behind Obama's campaign rhetoric.” Obama’s rise to national prominence and presidential viability, Helman discovered, depended significantly on PAC and lobbyist money, including large sums from “defense contractors, law firms and the securities and insurance industries” to his own powerful PAC “Hopefund.” Of special interest was Helman’s determination that Obama was retaining close and lucrative funding relationships with leading Washington-based lobbyists and lobbying firms while technically avoiding direct contributions from those key campaign finance players (Helman 2007)[2].
Nice.
“JOIN THE MOVEMENT TO END THE WAR”...BY CAUCUSING FOR BARACK OBAMA
But for my money the worst example of Team Obama’s taste for truly audacious deception is their effort to appropriate the spirit and support for the antiwar movement.
Listen to these two sentences from the cover of a shiny new mailing that I just got from the Obama campaign in Iowa: “From the very beginning, Barack Obama said No to the War in Iraq. Join the movement to end the war and chance Washington” (Obama for America 2007).
Yes, you read that correctly. “Obama ‘08” is equating caucusing for the junior senator from Illinois with joining the antiwar movement.
Never mind some basic facts of history. In late July of 2004, for example, Obama admitted to the New York Times that he did not know how he would have voted on the 2002 Iraq war resolution had he been serving in the United States Senate at the time of the vote. Here is the relevant Times passage: “In a recent interview [Obama’ declined to criticize Senators Kerry and Edwards for voting to authorize the war, although he said he would not have done the same based on the information he had at the time.' But, I'm not privy to Senate intelligence reports,' Mr. Obama said.
'WHAT WOULD I HAVE DONE? I DON’T KNOW.’
What I know is that from my vantage point the case was not made'" (New York Times, 26 July, 2004).
Obama has never opposed the “war” (naked and one-sided U.S. imperial aggression) on the same terms as the actual antiwar movement. His much-ballyhooed “antiwar speech” in Chicago during the fall of 2002 followed much conventional wisdom in the foreign policy establishment by criticizing “dumb wars.” It said absolutely nothing about the obviously criminal and imperial, oil-motivated nature of the great international and human rights transgression Cheney and Bush were preparing for Iraq and the world community.
In the part of his famous 2004 Democratic Convention Keynote Address (generally credited with producing his national celebrity) that came closest to directly criticizing the Iraq invasion, Obama suggested that the Bush administration had “fudged the numbers” and "shad[ed] the truth" about why "our young men and women” were “sent into harm's way." He added that the U.S. must “care for [soldiers’] families while they’re gone, tend to the soldiers upon their return, and never go to war without enough troops to win the war, secure the peace, and earn the respect of the world."
Morally cognizant and reasonably informed listeners were left to wonder about the considerably larger quantity (well into the tens of thousands) of Iraqis who had been killed and maimed and who lost income as a result of the criminal U.S. invasion of their country by the summer of 2004. What about the massive harm U.S. forces were ordered to inflict on Iraqis, considerably greater than the damage they experienced?
“Securing the peace" was a morally impoverished and nationally arrogant, self-serving way for Obama to describe the real White House objective in Iraq by the summer of 2004: to pacify, by force when (quite) necessary, the outraged populace of a nation that understandably resented a brazenly imperial invasion it saw (with good reason) as driven (as even Alan Greenspan admits) by the United States’ desire to deepen its control of Iraqi and Middle Eastern oil.
And “shade the truth" didn’t come close to doing justice to the high-state deception - the savage, sinister, and sophisticated lying - that the Bush administration used and is still using to cover their real agenda, understood with no small accuracy by the people of Iraq. It is hardly a "war," moreover, when the most powerful military state in history attacks and colonially occupies a weak nation it has already devastated over decades of military assault and even deadlier "economic sanctions."
It gets worse. Obama has repeatedly voted to spend billions on the illegal invasion since his arrival in the U.S. Senate. He inveighs against the “Tom Hayden wing of the Democratic Party” and has told congressional Democrats they would be “playing chicken with the troops” if they dared to actually (imagine) de-fund the Cheney-Bush “war.”
He voted to confirm as Secretary of State (of all things) the mendacious war criminal Condaleeza Rice, who played a critical role in advancing the preposterous Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD) claims Bush used to invade Iraq.
He distanced himself from fellow Illinois U.S. Senator Dick Durbin when Durbin faced vicious right-wing attacks after daring to tell some basic truths about U.S. torture practices in Iraq.
Obama used his considerable political and campaign finance muscle to back centrist Democrats against antiwar progressives in numerous Congressional primaries in 2006 (he even supported the neoconservative Joe Lieberman - his self-chosen Senate mentor – against the antiwar insurgent Ned Lamont in Connecticut). After their attainment of a majority in the Congress in November of 2006, Obama warned Democrats against being seen as working against the remarkably unpopular and arch-criminal Cheney-Bush administration.
Obama has repeatedly and absurdly claimed that the illegal invasion was launched with the “best of [democratic] intentions.”
He praises U.S. military personnel for their “unquestioning” “service” in Iraq and (despite numerous U.S. atrocities there) for “doing everything we could ever ask of them.”
His belated calls for withdrawal are hedged by numerous statements indicating that an Obama White House would maintain a significant military presence in and around Iraq for an indefinite period of time. And Obama has refused to support taking a reckless (possibly even nuclear) U.S. military assault on Iran off the table of acceptable U.S. foreign policy options. Obama couldn’t bother to be present on the Senate floor to vote against the Bush’s administration’s provocative, saber-rattling move to define Iran’s Revolutionary Guard as “an international terrorist organization” (3).
So, yes, by all means let’s “join the antiwar movement” by...voting/caucusing for... no, not for the actually Left-progressive antiwar candidate Dennis Kucinich but for...Barack Obama.
PLEASE LIE LESS (BRAZENLY)
If you’ve read this commentary in Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina, or Nevada, please print it off and take it down to your closest Obama ’08 “HOPE” headquarters. Ask the staffers there to tell Barack Obama to cut the crap – or at least just to lie a little less often and a little less brazenly.
Tell them this isn’t about the juvenile mudslinging that Hillary Clinton has embraced. It’s about empire and inequality, corporate power/business rule, the meaning of progressivism, the business-sponsored authoritarian peril that haunts our fading democracy, and the invisible lives and fates of billions around the world.
Veteran Left historian Paul Street (paulstreet99@yahoo.com) is a writer, speaker and activist based in Iowa City, IA and Chicago, IL. He is the author of Empire and Inequality: America and the World Since 9/11 (Boulder, CO: Paradigm); Racial Oppression in the Global Metropolis (New York: Rowman & Littlefield, 2007);and Segregated Schools: Educational Apartheid in Post-Civil Rights America (New York: Routledge, 2005).
NOTES
1. Team Hillary has recently denounced Barack Obama for “pining to be president since kindergarten.” It has yet to comment on Obama’s career ambitions during infancy and nursery school. During a recent campaign appearance in Waterloo, Iowa, John Edwards made the following admission: “I have to confess, when I was in third grade, I wanted to be two things. I wanted to be a cowboy, and I wanted to be Superman” (Bosman 2007).
2. According to Helman (2007): “He collected hundreds of thousands of dollars from lobbyists and PACs as a state legislator in Illinois, a US senator, and a presidential aspirant.”
“In Obama's eight years in the Illinois Senate, from 1996 to 2004, almost two-thirds of the money he raised for his campaigns -- $296,000 of $461,000 -- came from PACs, corporate contributions, or unions, according to Illinois Board of Elections records. He tapped financial services firms, real estate developers, healthcare providers, oil companies, and many other corporate interests, the records show.”
“Obama's US Senate campaign committee, starting with his successful run in 2004, has collected $128,000 from lobbyists and $1.3 million from PACs, according to the Center for Responsive Politics, a nonprofit organization that tracks money in politics. His $1.3 million from PACs represents 8 percent of what he has raised overall. Clinton's Senate committee, by comparison, has raised $3 million from PACs, 4 percent of her total amount raised, the group said.”
“In addition, Obama's own federal PAC, Hopefund, took in $115,000 from 56 PACs in the 2005-2006 election cycle out of $4.4 million the PAC raised, according to CQ MoneyLine, which collects Federal Election Commission data. Obama then used those PAC contributions -- including thousands from defense contractors, law firms, and the securities and insurance industries -- to build support for his presidential run by making donations to Democratic Party organizations and candidates around the country.”
“Though Obama has returned thousands of dollars in campaign contributions from registered federal lobbyists since he declared his candidacy in February, his presidential campaign has maintained ties with lobbyists and lobbying firms to help raise some of the $58.9 million he collected through the first six months of 2007. Obama has raised more than $1.4 million from members of law and consultancy firms led by partners who are lobbyists, The Los Angeles Times reported last week. And The Hill, a Washington newspaper, reported earlier this year that Obama's campaign had reached out to lobbyists' networks to use their contacts to help build his fund-raising base.”
3. That chilling step was supported by Hillary Clinton, a former Iraq War Hawk (to the right of Obama’s mentor Lieberman on the invasion through at least late 2005) who continues to make the contemptible claim that she would not have voted to authorize Bush for invasion in 2002 if she’d “known then what we know now.” The United States Senate’s ridiculous Revolutionary Guard resolution was strongly opposed by Edwards, who has had the elementary decency to at least retrospectively own his own horrid 2002 Iraq War vote (he calls it “the biggest mistake of my life”) and who criticizes Obama and Clinton for promising to continue combat operations in Iraq for an indefinite period.
SOURCES
Julie Bosman 2007. “Edwards Takes Step Back as Two Others Slug It Out,” New York Times, 4 Decembe2 2007.
Darren Briscoe and Richard Wolffe 2007. “Across the Divide, Beyond Race: Barack Obama’s Road to Racial Reconstruction,” Newsweek (July 16, 2007).
Center for Responsive Politics 2007a. “Presidential Candidate Barack Obama: Top Contributors” at www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.asp
Center for Responsive Politics 2007b. “Obama’s Leading Contributors by Industry,” available online at www.opensecrets.org/ politicians/allindus.asp? CID=N00009638.
Center for Responsive Politics 2007c. “Barack Obama Career Profile,” www.opensecrets.org/politicians/ allindus.asp?CID=N00009638).
Scott Helman 2007. “PACs and Lobbyists Aided Obama’s Rise: Data Contrast With His Theme,” Boston Globe, 9 August 2007.
Jodi Kantor 2007. “A Candidate, His Minister and the Search for Faith,” New York Times, 30 April 2007.
Paul Krugman 2007a. “Played for a Sucker,” New York Times, 16 November, 2007.
Paul Krugman 2007 b. “Mandates and Mudslinging, New York Times, 30 November, 2007.
Dan Morain 2007. “Obama Walks a Thin Green Line,” Los Angeles Times, 2 August 2007.
Obama for America 2007. “Barack Obama Said No” (Obama for America/Iowa Headquarters, 32 E. Locust St., Des Moines, IA 50309, November 2007).
Barack Obama 2007. “Selma Voting Rights Commemoration,” Selma, Alabama, March 4, 2007. read at www.barackobama.com/2007/03/04...h_comm.php.
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The Obama Craze: Count Me Out by Matt Gonzalez‚ Feb. 27‚ 2008 www.beyondchron.org/articles...5413.html
Part of me shares the enthusiasm for Barack Obama. After all, how could someone calling themself a progressive not sense the importance of what it means to have an African-American so close to the presidency? But as his campaign has unfolded, and I heard that we are not red states or blue states for the 6th or 7th time, I realized I knew virtually nothing about him.
Like most, I know he gave a stirring speech at the Democratic National Convention in 2004. I know he defeated Alan Keyes in the Illinois Senate race; although it wasn’t much of a contest (Keyes was living in Maryland when he announced). Recently, I started looking into Obama’s voting record, and I’m afraid to say I’m not just uninspired: I’m downright fearful. Here's why:
This is a candidate who says he’s going to usher in change; that he is a different kind of politician who has the skills to get things done. He reminds us again and again that he had the foresight to oppose the war in Iraq. And he seems to have a genuine interest in lifting up the poor.
But his record suggests that he is incapable of ushering in any kind of change I’d like to see. It is one of accommodation and concession to the very political powers that we need to rein in and oppose if we are to make truly lasting advances.
THE WAR IN IRAQ
Let’s start with his signature position against the Iraq war. Obama has sent mixed messages at best.
First, he opposed the war in Iraq while in the Illinois state legislature. Once he was running for US Senate though, when public opinion and support for the war was at its highest, he was quoted in the July 27, 2004 Chicago Tribune as saying, “There’s not that much difference between my position and George Bush’s position at this stage. The difference, in my mind, is who’s in a position to execute.” The Tribune went on to say that Obama, “now believes US forces must remain to stabilize the war-ravaged nation – a policy not dissimilar to the current approach of the Bush administration.”
Obama’s campaign says he was referring to the ongoing occupation and how best to stabilize the region. But why wouldn’t he have taken the opportunity to urge withdrawal if he truly opposed the war? Was he trying to signal to conservative voters that he would subjugate his anti-war position if elected to the US Senate and perhaps support a lengthy occupation? Well as it turns out, he’s done just that.
Since taking office in January 2005 he has voted to approve every war appropriation the Republicans have put forward, totaling over $300 billion. He also voted to confirm Condoleezza Rice as Secretary of State despite her complicity in the Bush Administration’s various false justifications for going to war in Iraq. Why would he vote to make one of the architects of “Operation Iraqi Liberation” the head of US foreign policy? Curiously, he lacked the courage of 13 of his colleagues who voted against her confirmation.
And though he often cites his background as a civil rights lawyer, Obama voted to reauthorize the Patriot Act in July 2005, easily the worse attack on civil liberties in the last half-century. It allows for wholesale eavesdropping on American citizens under the guise of anti-terrorism efforts.
And in March 2006, Obama went out of his way to travel to Connecticut to campaign for Senator Joseph Lieberman who faced a tough challenge by anti-war candidate Ned Lamont. At a Democratic Party dinner attended by Lamont, Obama called Lieberman “his mentor” and urged those in attendance to vote and give financial contributions to him. This is the same Lieberman who Alexander Cockburn called “Bush’s closest Democratic ally on the Iraq War.” Why would Obama have done that if he was truly against the war?
Recently, with anti-war sentiment on the rise, Obama declared he will get our combat troops out of Iraq in 2009. But Obama isn’t actually saying he wants to get all of our troops out of Iraq. At a September 2007 debate before the New Hampshire primary, moderated by Tim Russert, Obama refused to commit to getting our troops out of Iraq by January 2013 and, on the campaign trail, he has repeatedly stated his desire to add 100,000 combat troops to the military.
At the same event, Obama committed to keeping enough soldiers in Iraq to “carry out our counter-terrorism activities there” which includes “striking at al Qaeda in Iraq.” What he didn’t say is this continued warfare will require an estimated 60,000 troops to remain in Iraq according to a May 2006 report prepared by the Center for American Progress. Moreover, it appears he intends to “redeploy” the troops he takes out of the unpopular war in Iraq and send them to Afghanistan. So it appears that under Obama’s plan the US will remain heavily engaged in war.
This is hardly a position to get excited about.
CLASS ACTION REFORM:
In 2005, Obama joined Republicans in passing a law dubiously called the Class Action Fairness Act (CAFA) that would shut down state courts as a venue to hear many class action lawsuits. Long a desired objective of large corporations and President George Bush, Obama in effect voted to deny redress in many of the courts where these kinds of cases have the best chance of surviving corporate legal challenges. Instead, it forces them into the backlogged Republican-judge dominated federal courts.
By contrast, Senators Clinton, Edwards and Kerry joined 23 others to vote against CAFA, noting the “reform” was a thinly-veiled “special interest extravaganza” that favored banking, creditors and other corporate interests. David Sirota, the former spokesman for Democrats on the House Appropriations Committee, commented on CAFA in the June 26, 2006 issue of The Nation, “Opposed by most major civil rights and consumer watchdog groups, this Big Business-backed legislation was sold to the public as a way to stop "frivolous" lawsuits. But everyone in Washington knew the bill's real objective was to protect corporate abusers.”
Nation contributor Dan Zegart noted further: “On its face, the class-action bill is mere procedural tinkering, transferring from state to federal court actions involving more than $5 million where any plaintiff is from a different state from the defendant company. But federal courts are much more hostile to class actions than their state counterparts; such cases tend to be rooted in the finer points of state law, in which federal judges are reluctant to dabble. And even if federal judges do take on these suits, with only 678 of them on the bench (compared with 9,200 state judges), already overburdened dockets will grow. Thus, the bill will make class actions – most of which involve discrimination, consumer fraud and wage-and-hour violations – all but impossible. One example: After forty lawsuits were filed against Wal-Mart for allegedly forcing employees to work "off the clock," four state courts certified these suits as class actions. Not a single federal court did so, although the practice probably involves hundreds of thousands of employees nationwide.”
Why would a civil rights lawyer knowingly make it harder for working-class people to have their day in court, in effect shutting off avenues of redress?
CREDIT CARD INTEREST RATES:
Obama has a way of ducking hard votes or explaining away his bad votes by trying to blame poorly-written statutes. Case in point: an amendment he voted on as part of a recent bankruptcy bill before the US Senate would have capped credit card interest rates at 30 percent. Inexplicably, Obama voted against it, although it would have been the beginning of setting these predatory lending rates under federal control. Even Senator Hillary Clinton supported it.
Now Obama explains his vote by saying the amendment was poorly written or set the ceiling too high. His explanation isn’t credible as Obama offered no lower number as an alternative, and didn’t put forward his own amendment clarifying whatever language he found objectionable.
Why wouldn’t Obama have voted to create the first federal ceiling on predatory credit card interest rates, particularly as he calls himself a champion of the poor and middle classes? Perhaps he was signaling to the corporate establishment that they need not fear him. For all of his dynamic rhetoric about lifting up the masses, it seems Obama has little intention of doing anything concrete to reverse the cycle of poverty many struggle to overcome.
LIMITING NON-ECONOMIC DAMAGES:
These seemingly unusual votes wherein Obama aligns himself with Republican Party interests aren’t new. While in the Illinois Senate, Obama voted to limit the recovery that victims of medical malpractice could obtain through the courts. Capping non-economic damages in medical malpractice cases means a victim cannot fully recover for pain and suffering or for punitive damages. Moreover, it ignored that courts were already empowered to adjust awards when appropriate, and that the Illinois Supreme Court had previously ruled such limits on tort reform violated the state constitution.
In the US Senate, Obama continued interfering with patients’ full recovery for tortious conduct. He was a sponsor of the National Medical Error Disclosure and Compensation Act of 2005. The bill requires hospitals to disclose errors to patients and has a mechanism whereby disclosure, coupled with apologies, is rewarded by limiting patients’ economic recovery. Rather than simply mandating disclosure, Obama’s solution is to trade what should be mandated for something that should never be given away: namely, full recovery for the injured patient.
MINING LAW OF 1872:
In November 2007, Obama came out against a bill that would have reformed the notorious Mining Law of 1872. The current statute, signed into law by Ulysses Grant, allows mining companies to pay a nominal fee, as little as $2.50 an acre, to mine for hardrock minerals like gold, silver, and copper without paying royalties. Yearly profits for mining hardrock on public lands is estimated to be in excess of $1 billion a year according to Earthworks, a group that monitors the industry. Not surprisingly, the industry spends freely when it comes to lobbying: an estimated $60 million between 1998-2004 according to The Center on Public Integrity. And it appears to be paying off, yet again.
The Hardrock Mining and Reclamation Act of 2007 would have finally overhauled the law and allowed American taxpayers to reap part of the royalties (4 percent of gross revenue on existing mining operations and 8 percent on new ones). The bill provided a revenue source to cleanup abandoned hardrock mines, which is likely to cost taxpayers over $50 million, and addressed health and safety concerns in the 11 affected western states.
Later it came to light that one of Obama’s key advisors in Nevada is a Nevada-based lobbyist in the employ of various mining companies (CBS News “Obama’s Position On Mining Law Questioned. Democrat Shares Position with Mining Executives Who Employ Lobbyist Advising Him,” November 14, 2007).
REGULATING NUCLEAR INDUSTRY:
The New York Times reported that, while campaigning in Iowa in December 2007, Obama boasted that he had passed a bill requiring nuclear plants to promptly report radioactive leaks. This came after residents of his home state of Illinois complained they were not told of leaks that occurred at a nuclear plant operated by Exelon Corporation.
The truth, however, was that Obama allowed the bill to be amended in Committee by Senate Republicans, replacing language mandating reporting with verbiage that merely offered guidance to regulators on how to address unreported leaks. The story noted that even this version of Obama’s bill failed to pass the Senate, so it was unclear why Obama was claiming to have passed the legislation. The February 3, 2008 The New York Times article titled “Nuclear Leaks and Response Tested Obama in Senate” by Mike McIntire also noted the opinion of one of Obama’s constituents, which was hardly enthusiastic about Obama’s legislative efforts:
"Senator Obama's staff was sending us copies of the bill to review, and we could see it weakening with each successive draft," said Joe Cosgrove, a park district director in Will County, Ill., where low-level radioactive runoff had turned up in groundwater. "The teeth were just taken out of it."
As it turns out, the New York Times story noted: “Since 2003, executives and employees of Exelon, which is based in Illinois, have contributed at least $227,000 to Mr. Obama’s campaigns for the United States Senate and for president. Two top Exelon officials, Frank M. Clark, executive vice president, and John W. Rogers Jr., a director, are among his largest fund-raisers.”
ENERGY POLICY:
On energy policy, it turns out Obama is a big supporter of corn-based ethanol which is well known for being an energy-intensive crop to grow. It is estimated that seven barrels of oil are required to produce eight barrels of corn ethanol, according to research by the Cato Institute. Ethanol’s impact on climate change is nominal and isn’t “green” according to Alisa Gravitz, Co-op America executive director. “It simply isn’t a major improvement over gasoline when it comes to reducing our greenhouse gas emissions.” A 2006 University of Minnesota study by Jason Hill and David Tilman, and an earlier study published in BioScience in 2005, concur. (There’s even concern that a reliance on corn-based ethanol would lead to higher food prices.)
So why would Obama be touting this as a solution to our oil dependency? Could it have something to do with the fact that the first presidential primary is located in Iowa, corn capitol of the country? In legislative terms this means Obama voted in favor of $8 billion worth of corn subsidies in 2006 alone, when most of that money should have been committed to alternative energy sources such as solar, tidal and wind.
SINGLE-PAYER HEALTH CARE:
Obama opposed single-payer bill HR676, sponsored by Congressmen Dennis Kucinich and John Conyers in 2006, although at least 75 members of Congress supported it. Single-payer works by trying to diminish the administrative costs that comprise somewhere around one-third of every health care dollar spent, by eliminating the duplicative nature of these services. The expected $300 billion in annual savings such a system would produce would go directly to cover the uninsured and expand coverage to those who already have insurance, according to Dr. Stephanie Woolhandler, an Associate Professor of Medicine at Harvard Medical School and co-founder of Physicians for a National Health Program.
Obama’s own plan has been widely criticized for leaving health care industry administrative costs in place and for allowing millions of people to remain uninsured. “Sicko” filmmaker Michael Moore ridiculed it saying, “Obama wants the insurance companies to help us develop a new health care plan-the same companies who have created the mess in the first place.”
NORTH AMERICAN FREE TRADE AGREEMENT:
Regarding the North American Free Trade Agreement, Obama recently boasted, “I don’t think NAFTA has been good for Americans, and I never have.” Yet, Calvin Woodward reviewed Obama’s record on NAFTA in a February 26, 2008 Associated Press article and found that comment to be misleading: “In his 2004 Senate campaign, Obama said the US should pursue more deals such as NAFTA, and argued more broadly that his opponent's call for tariffs would spark a trade war. AP reported then that the Illinois senator had spoken of enormous benefits having accrued to his state from NAFTA, while adding that he also called for more aggressive trade protections for US workers.”
Putting aside campaign rhetoric, when actually given an opportunity to protect workers from unfair trade agreements, Obama cast the deciding vote against an amendment to a September 2005 Commerce Appropriations Bill, proposed by North Dakota Senator Byron Dorgan, that would have prohibited US trade negotiators from weakening US laws that provide safeguards from unfair foreign trade practices. The bill would have been a vital tool to combat the outsourcing of jobs to foreign workers and would have ended a common corporate practice known as “pole-vaulting” over regulations, which allows companies doing foreign business to avoid “right to organize,” “minimum wage,” and other worker protections.
SOME FINAL EXAMPLES:
On March 2, 2007 Obama gave a speech at AIPAC, America’s pro-Israeli government lobby, wherein he disavowed his previous support for the plight of the Palestinians. In what appears to be a troubling pattern, Obama told his audience what they wanted to hear. He recounted a one-sided history of the region and called for continued military support for Israel, rather than taking the opportunity to promote the various peace movements in and outside of Israel.
Why should we believe Obama has courage to bring about change? He wouldn’t have his picture taken with San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom when visiting San Francisco for a fundraiser in his honor because Obama was scared voters might think he supports gay marriage (Newsom acknowledged this to Reuters on January 26, 2007 and former Mayor Willie Brown admitted to the San Francisco Chronicle on February 5, 2008 that Obama told him he wanted to avoid Newsom for that reason.)
Obama acknowledges the disproportionate impact the death penalty has on blacks, but still supports it, while other politicians are fighting to stop it. (On December 17, 2007 New Jersey Governor Jon Corzine signed a bill banning the death penalty after it was passed by the New Jersey Assembly.)
On September 29, 2006, Obama joined Republicans in voting to build 700 miles of double fencing on the Mexican border (The Secure Fence Act of 2006), abandoning 19 of his colleagues who had the courage to oppose it. But now that he’s campaigning in Texas and eager to win over Mexican-American voters, he says he’d employ a different border solution.
It is shocking how frequently and consistently Obama is willing to subjugate good decision making for his personal and political benefit.
Obama aggressively opposed initiating impeachment proceedings against the president (“Obama: Impeachment is not acceptable,” USA Today, June 28, 2007) and he wouldn’t even support Wisconsin Senator Russ Feingold’s effort to censure the Bush administration for illegally wiretapping American citizens in violation of the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. In Feingold’s words “I’m amazed at Democrats … cowering with this president’s number’s so low.” Once again, it’s troubling that Obama would take these positions and miss the opportunity to document the abuses of the Bush regime.
CONCLUSION:
Once I started looking at the votes Obama actually cast, I began to hear his rhetoric differently. The principal conclusion I draw about “change” and Barack Obama is that Obama needs to change his voting habits and stop pandering to win votes. If he does this he might someday make a decent candidate who could earn my support. For now Obama has fallen into a dangerous pattern of capitulation that he cannot reconcile with his growing popularity as an agent of change.
I remain impressed by the enthusiasm generated by Obama’s style and skill as an orator. But I remain more loyal to my values, and I’m glad to say that I want no part in the Obama craze sweeping our country.
Matt Gonzalez is a former president of the San Francisco Board of Supervisors.
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Sitting Out the Obama Dance in Iowa City by Paul Street
www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm
Why I’ve Focused On Obama: Seven Points
www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm
(LOTS of links, tons of info in those two)
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anyway, it’s a start.
there are lots of progressives bloggers who are sceptical/(reasonably) critical of BO.
(i'd recommend to stay away from 'formerly progressive' sites like HuffPost and BuzzFlash, and even DKos.)
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Mon, March 10, 2008 - 9:33 AMThis election is a dilemma for progressives. Earlier, I had said that we all want to have hope for change. . .and of course, Obama is promising just that. But he is not a radical, and radical changes are necessary. It is easy to be seduced, and there is a euphoric mood among members of the left who foresee the end of the Bush era.
I am going to support Obama, because he is bringing new people into the process, with new energy and enthusiasm. That is a major plus.
This people have the values we would want to see in concerned citizens who are becoming active in the process of governing.
Additionally, I strongly believe that Obama is open to the participation of citizens and that he will listen to what the people have to say.
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Mon, March 10, 2008 - 10:05 AMi think it's important to avoid all-or-nothing thinking here. there are some ways in which Obama is very radical -- transparency for example. oh yeah and having a black as US president is inherently radical -- just as having a woman would be. similarly his positions on many topics are very or at least somewhat progressive, even if not as much so as I would like them to be.
and i do agree with Inna about the importance of being very selective about sites like dKos and HuffPo; there are increasing numbers of obviously-biased articles, even on the main pages, even from people. the same's true throughout the political blogosphere. hmm, that might be worth a thread in its own right ... -
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Mon, March 10, 2008 - 10:17 AMIt is almost like we have to push the re-set button every time republicans are voted out. such important necessities as "transparency" should be the rule, not the radical exception, as our government conducts its business. similarly, our privacy rights should be an immutable given, rather than something that can be kicked about like a football. -
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Mon, March 10, 2008 - 10:21 AMgovernment conducts its business. similarly, our privacy rights should be an immutable given, rather than something that can be kicked about like a football
I am afraid that BushCo has scored a legal touch down on that one................
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Mon, March 10, 2008 - 10:16 AM<This election is a dilemma for progressives. Earlier, I had said that we all want to have hope for change. . .and of course, Obama is promising just that. But he is not a radical, and radical changes are necessary. It is easy to be seduced, and there is a euphoric mood among members of the left who foresee the end of the Bush era.
I am going to support Obama, because he is bringing new people into the process, with new energy and enthusiasm. That is a major plus.
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Energy and enthusiasm are good reasons to select a Ms. America, but doesn't offer much for a world leader. The campain has basically been reduced to a beauty contest, of course you can argue that it was never anything more. Still, I am confounded that intelligent people such as yourself are willing to accept empty platitudes rather then stands on issues. Will Obama end the war in Iraq? Will he reform campain funding? will he put an end to ear marks on bills presented to congress? What exactly does he mean by "hope" and "change?"
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Mon, March 10, 2008 - 9:37 AMNothing there I haven't said on this board. He's no leftist. Bottom line is the idea is he's not as far right as Hillary and may be less likely to pull the trigger on a war. Not that he will govern as a Kucinich type candidate.
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Mon, March 10, 2008 - 9:21 PM
« right-wing democrat Hillary. ..»
DUDE.
she's a *Progressive Centrist* committed to some core/traditional “Democratic values and principles" - COMPARED to him.
(btw, economically he's *considerably* further to the right, and as for his “foreign policy”.... he's either clueless or simply dangerous.)
worse of all… :::
never nind, it’s not like I want to rain on your parade.
I guess we will all find out in a couple of years (or perhaps much sooner).
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Mon, March 10, 2008 - 11:15 PMHis voting record is more liberal. I just heard Michael Savage and Pat Buchanan on the radio discussing how Obama is more liberal. I mean - I guess we just disagree. Its hard for me to understand why you perceive her as so liberal based on her support for the war but oh well...
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Tue, March 11, 2008 - 7:15 AM> she's a *Progressive Centrist* committed to some core/traditional “Democratic values and principles" - COMPARED to him.
then again, on other values I would like to think of as core/traditional Democratic values
- she opposes drivers licenses for undocmented immigrants [unlike him, Kennedy, ...]
- she missed the most important civil liberties vote of the year, the roll-call vote on telco immunity [unlike him, Dodd, Feingold, Leahy, ...]
- she supports keeping part of the anti-gay "defense of marriage act" [unlike him and every LGBTQ activist group]
- she failed to support the inclusive version of the employment non-discrimination act [unlike him and every LGBTQ activist group except for HRC]
- she left "net neutrality" out of her innovation agenda [unlike him, Lessig, ...]
- for the third time, she's included a mandatory privacy-invasive "universal ID" in her health care plan (now augmented by "personal health records" which give insurance companies unrestricted reuse of patient information)
or don't these things matter to progressives?
again, i'm not saying he's progressive. i think many Matt Gonzales' critiques are quite accurate. [of course a lot of them apply to Clinton as well.]
i am saying that especially when you take into account her past support for her husbands policies such as welfare "reform", the sanctions in Iraq that killed at least 500,000 people and didn't prevent a war, and her lack of denuncuation/rejection of her race-baiting supporters throughout this campaign ...
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Tue, March 11, 2008 - 7:25 AMoh right, and the Obama campaign has actively protected voting rights:
- in California, they helped Courage Campaign bring up "double bubble trouble". an additional 35,000 votes were counted
- in Ohio, they sued to keep polls open
the Clinton campaign by contrast supported AFSCME's voter-suppression lawsuit in Nevada [which didn't get launched until after the rival union endorsed Obama] -- and their spokesman Ace Smith reacted to the double bubble trouble by replying "'our' voters know how to vote".
also, they still haven't rejected or denounced the Republicans who illegally followed Rush Limbaugh's call to "pimp their vote" and harm the Democratic party by voting for Clinton. in fact, with Bill's appearance on right-wing talk radio the day before the Ohio election, they appear to have assisted this election falsification (a fifth-degree felony in Ohio).
aren't voting rights a core progressive issue?
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Tue, March 11, 2008 - 9:04 AMI think its pretty trivial to show that Obama is more liberal than Hillary. Jon you have pointed out some of the obvious points. There are others as well.
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Tue, March 11, 2008 - 9:42 PM
Jon, I tend to generally agree with you, but not today it seems.
<then again, on other values I would like to think of as core/traditional Democratic values>
<- she opposes drivers licenses for undocmented immigrants [unlike him, Kennedy, ...] >
First of all, " drivers licenses for undocmented immigrants" is NOT a "core/traditional Democratic" value. Second, there's no reason under the sun - even a Democrat's sun - to allow "undocumented immigrants" have legal identification. They can get drivers licenses that are not for ID purposes. All a state drivers license will do for an illegal immigrant will allow them to more easily stay illegal. We have 300 million citizens now, Jon, and we need to protect our jobs for our citizens, not make it easier for the illegal ones to break the law. This is something that poor people worry about a lot - and I don't get it how this is a "core/traditional Democratic" anything. Is it a far-left ideal? Sure. But, that's different.
<- she missed the most important civil liberties vote of the year, the roll-call vote on telco immunity [unlike him, Dodd, Feingold, Leahy, ...] >
Yep. She did. Not good. But, time to castigate him for the votes that he missed with the same vigor if you're going to go after her for that.
<- she supports keeping part of the anti-gay "defense of marriage act" [unlike him and every LGBTQ activist group] >
Yeah, that was a let-down. Here's what she said about that, '"I support repealing the provision of DOMA that may prohibit the federal government from providing benefits to people in states that recognize same sex marriage. I strongly support ensuring people in stable, long-term same sex relationships have full equality of benefits, rights, and responsibilities," she writes.
Clinton spokeman Phil Singer adds, "Sen. Clinton backed the Defense of Marriage Act because it enabled us to fend off right wing attacks like the Federal Marriage Amendment by keeping marriage as the purview of the states. She believes DOMA served an important purpose in that respect. Marriage should be left up to the states..."She has also long believed in the need for full equality of benefits for same sex couples, and believes the federal government should recognize civil unions."'
Yes, if I were gay, I'd not take much solace in that differentiation, but it IS a differentiation.
<- she failed to support the inclusive version of the employment non-discrimination act [unlike him and every LGBTQ activist group except for HRC] >
I'd have to read up on that - but a sad fact obviously.
<- she left "net neutrality" out of her innovation agenda [unlike him, Lessig, ...] >
That would need it's own thread.
<- for the third time, she's included a mandatory privacy-invasive "universal ID" in her health care plan (now augmented by "personal health records" which give insurance companies unrestricted reuse of patient information) >
You mean like a social security number?
<or don't these things matter to progressives? >
Should I come up with a list of all the Progressive G-spots that she's hit, and if I did, would that PROVE to you that she was a progressive?
<she's got a much better claim to be a "right-wing Democrat" than he does. >
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Tue, March 11, 2008 - 10:09 PM> First of all, " drivers licenses for undocmented immigrants" is NOT a "core/traditional Democratic" value.
well ... okay, there's a tradition of denying civil rights to immigrants in the Democratic party too. fair enough. i probably should have said "progressive" here. put that to the side.
> But, time to castigate him for the votes that he missed with the same vigor if you're going to go after her for that.
what critical civil liberties votes did he miss?
> but it IS a differentiation.
see here for why the DOMA differentiation matters
<- she failed to support the inclusive version of the employment non-discrimination act [unlike him and every LGBTQ activist group except for HRC] >
www.talesfromthe.net/jon/ is an overview of the stances on various issues. Hillary's not alone in saying "America's not ready for equal rights for transfolk"; Barney Frank said the same. Obama helped get a trans-inclusive ENDA through the illinois legislature
> You mean like a social security number?
no, i mean like an additional ID that does not have the restrictions or legal protections, compromises doctor/patient privilege, and greatly benefits insurance companies and pharmaceuticals.
> Should I come up with a list of all the Progressive G-spots that she's hit, and if I did, would that PROVE to you that she was a progressive?
it would be great to see a list of the specific stances where she's more progressive than Obama. there are a couple in Matt Gonzales' piece; i'd be interested in hearing more.
> <she's got a much better claim to be a "right-wing Democrat" than he does. >
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> That's a silly term, but if you want to use it, please do.
it was somebody else's above , which is why i had it in quotes.
> is she a progressive Lefty? No, obviously not. But, she's not some republican lurking in a donkey skin.
totally agree. my question is why so many people are convinced she's more progressive than Obama.
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Tue, March 11, 2008 - 10:16 PM"what critical civil liberties votes did he miss?"
Not a civil liberty issue, but it was a very important vote
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Tue, March 11, 2008 - 10:30 PM<totally agree. my question is why so many people are convinced she's more progressive than Obama. >
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I'm going to reply to you cD just this one time to point out that you AGAIN prove yourself to be an idiot.
She DID NOT say that Clinton is "more progressive than Obama".
Seriously. You can't even read with any kind of comprehension.
This is what she said in YOUR OWN LINK!!!!!!!!!!!!:
"she's a *Progressive Centrist* committed to some core/traditional “Democratic values and principles" - COMPARED to him."
Where there does she say that she's "more progressive"? You can't even read that line and be smart enough to read it and not get confused that because the word "progressive" is in the same sentence, that means that somehow Inna said that Clinton is "more progressive than Obama".
This is why I ignore you, cD. You can't even have the words in front of you and get it. You just make up what you want out of what other people actually write.
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Thu, March 13, 2008 - 2:02 AMAndrew you are a silly little moron. Inna and I have an ongoing discussion where she is claiming Obama is further right than Clinton.
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Thu, March 13, 2008 - 3:21 AM
Prove she said that, and I will apologize.
Come on. It should be EASY to prove me wrong. Just ...............find a quote and link it.
(Hint: I tried, and I could not find one)
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Thu, March 13, 2008 - 3:41 AMinna wrote: "(btw, economically he's *considerably* further to the right, and as for his “foreign policy”.... he's either clueless or simply dangerous.) "
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Tue, July 8, 2008 - 12:34 AM< Economics is only one sector of policy>
Exactly.
<If this isn't good enough for you, SlandroidTM, then I bow out.>
It's not, and it should not be good enough for you either.
Obama is fine. He'll do a fine job, and he's a fine fella and he'll do a much better job than McCain.
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Tue, July 8, 2008 - 3:16 AM< Dude you gotta be pretty bored to be really interactively responding to being called SlandroidTM months ago.>
Dude, you gotta be pretty bored to be really spending time telling me about your thoughts on my simply reacting to a thread that someone dredged up.
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<<Inna and I have an ongoing discussion where she is claiming Obama is further right than Clinton.>>
dude. they are both right-leaning/pandering so-called "centrists" (Republicans Lites, the way i'm used to define these sort of people) - and i still stand firmly behind my belief that Hillary ran to the "left" on the MOST DOMESTIC programs, compared to those of Obama's.
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Tue, July 8, 2008 - 1:45 AMInna no reason to waste time responding to my statements from months ago about the Obama-v-Hillary race....it is what it is, you thought Cllinton was a bit more progressive than Obama and I thought the opposite.
I don't like the Clintons much for historical reasons that stem largely from Bill's actions in office. Thats just me.
But anyway, Obama's teh nominee and he's "going to the center" (really, the right) just like every other stupid Democratic presidential candidate. Its a time-dishonored tradition.
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Mon, March 10, 2008 - 9:54 AM<anyway, it’s a start.
there are lots of progressives bloggers who are sceptical/(reasonably) critical of BO.
(i'd recommend to stay away from 'formerly progressive' sites like HuffPost and BuzzFlash, and even DKos>
this is especially important, c-dub. it is vital to turn away from ANY sites that might say something positive about obama but most particularly 'pfficial' and highly trafficed so called 'progressive sites'.
i would point to the most pernicious and damaging fact of all regarding obama, which is how he is grinding his way to power and aggradizement on the backs of hundreds of thousands of little people he has viciously duped into sending him a few of their precious dollars even as their children WANT.
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<<it is vital to turn away from ANY sites that might say something positive about obama but most particularly 'pfficial' and highly trafficed so called 'progressive sites'. ..... please listen to inna and listen only to those who tell the real truth of obama.>>
::: shrugs ::: d'zoner, you're being totally unfair (and, frankly, ridiculous).
(but then again, not like it's much of a surprise at this point, i sort of got used to this from you by now.)
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Mon, March 10, 2008 - 9:57 AMPerhaps StevenA can convince Mumia to run
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Mon, March 10, 2008 - 10:59 AMBrent, don't obsess on Steven. Its not healthy.
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Mon, July 7, 2008 - 3:13 PMUh...so?
I stand by my preference of Obama over Hillary.
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Mon, July 7, 2008 - 3:22 PM
you know what's funny, Cliff? you dislike Obama mostly because you see him as a "far leftie" (correct me if i'm wrong, i.e. if you dislike him mostly for 'other' reasons), while all of all these linked articles from the progressive, far left, crowd (with which i identify btw), criticize him for being a right-leaning, GOP-pandering centrist. or even, arguably, a GOP Trojan Horse.
seriously, you should LOVE the man if he's really such a neocon in disguise.
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Tue, February 3, 2009 - 6:05 AM******************(personally, i think of him as of a NeoLib. definitely better than the NeoCons and McCain of course, but... not nearly good enough. certainly not good enough to waste my vote on,**************
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Tue, February 3, 2009 - 6:48 PM
<<Ahhh the chickens have some home and shit on the roost>>
LOL! what is THAT supposed to mean??
anyway, i stand behind what i said;
although i definitely feel more "hopeful" about Obama now than i did back then.
(and, needless to say... i'm nearly ecstatic that he - and not McPalin - is our Pres right now~!)
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Fri, February 27, 2009 - 4:24 PMYeah but my bump was funnier due to your shameless fellating of Bush.
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Tue, July 8, 2008 - 2:39 AMregarding ethanol. it makes perfect sense for obama in the past to support ethanol. look at his constituency throughout illinois: corn farmers.
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“What I’ve said is, my top priority is making sure people are able to get enough to eat. If it turns out we need to make changes in our ethanol policy to help people get something to eat, that has got to be the step we take,” said Mr. Obama on NBC’s “Meet the Press.”
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Tue, February 3, 2009 - 12:25 PMGravel and Kuchinich were the only dems who really offered a progressive vision for the future.
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Tue, February 3, 2009 - 12:57 PM“We have rising food prices around the United States. In other countries, we’re seeing riots because of the lack of food supply, so this is something we’re going to have to deal with,” the Illinois Democrat said.
is this a policy ? against fat American ?
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