Some of the known's about GOP VP Pick

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1. She was mayor of a village, it's not a city, of 6500 people.
2. She replaced the most hated Governor in Alaska history
3. She fired the Public Safety Commissioner*
4. She is suing the Dept of Interior to take the Polar Bears off the endanger species list.
5. She believe that creationism should be taught along side of evolution in Pubic Schools.
6. She hunts, areal wolf hunting, and fishes
7. She is an avid outback runner while pregnant**
8. She is Dominionist***
9. She is a beauty queen
10. She just finished John McCain's run for the white house.
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    Re: Some of the known's about GOP VP Pick

    Sat, August 30, 2008 - 3:56 PM

    and most importantly, her positions on crucial social issues are APPALLINGLY awful:

    www.boston.com/news/local...lin_on.html

    "A significant part of Palin's base of support lies among social and Christian conservatives. Her positions on social issues emerged slowly during the campaign: on abortion (should be banned for anything other than saving the life of the mother), stem cell research (opposed), physician-assisted suicide (opposed), creationism (should be discussed in schools), state health benefits for same-sex partners (opposed, and supports a constitutional amendment to bar them)."
    • Re: Some of the known's about GOP VP Pick

      Sat, August 30, 2008 - 4:55 PM
      "and most importantly, her positions on crucial social issues are APPALLINGLY awful"

      Well, to lefties.

      A conservative Republican. What a shocker.
      • Re: Some of the known's about GOP VP Pick

        Sat, August 30, 2008 - 5:08 PM
        Not just lefties but you are so smug in thinking that left or right is a term that some religious folks follow all the while you too are part of the problem as well ........so the laugh is on you. How about doing some research on Joel's Army and then come back here and let us know what you find....
    • Re: Some of the known's about GOP VP Pick

      Sat, August 30, 2008 - 5:05 PM
      She is not just a christian conservative she is a member of the Joel's Army -JA. This is some very, very disturbing stuff.

      If you have not heard of JA then a do some searches on them from what I have found most of America is in their cross hairs and "So far, few members of the secular media have taken notice of Joel's Army, even as they report on Protestant dominionists like Pat Robertson or the more outrageous calls for the stoning of gays and lesbians emanating from Reconstructionist circles.."

      Want some more.....

      “Joel’s Army” is one term among many that are all being used to describe the same teaching. We hear much about the “New Breed,” “New Wave,” etc. All of the terms cited below represent basically the same teaching. Joel's Army

      Here are some other names: New Breed,Overcomers, First-Fruits, Elijah Company, The Bride, Manifested Sons of God, Phineas Priesthood, New Wineskin, New Wave, Latter Rain

      ineyard Ministries have held conferences overseas and throughout the U.S.A. Churches and denominations have been proselytized and preyed on with a “gospel” that leaders claim is ordained to bring forth:

      1. the greatest revival the church has ever known;

      2. the greatest baptism of the Spirit the Church has ever experienced;

      3. the greatest Army (Joel's Army) distinguished by invincibility, immortality and divinity;

      4. the greatest purging (inquisition) in the history of the Church;

      5. the greatest ministry – the Prize of all Ages; and

      6. the greatest miracles, supernatural signs and wonders, far exceeding that of the Apostles and Prophets of old.

      www.discernment-ministries.org/Jo...htm

      Getting the drift of this church. Most of us here are pretty much in their cross hairs.
  • Re: Some of the known's about GOP VP Pick

    Sat, August 30, 2008 - 5:21 PM

    " She was mayor of a village, it's not a city, of 6500 people."

    Which is more executive experience than Obama has ever had, not to mention being governor. Big difference is that she's running for VP whereas Obama, with his microscopic experience, is running for the Big Cheese.

    "She fired the Public Safety Commissioner* "

    Oh, she fired someone. Must have been wrongful. Can't imagine anyone ever deserving to be fired. She must be unethical, so we can ignore the following:

    "Governor Murkowski appointed Palin Ethics Commissioner of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission,[19] where she served from 2003 to 2004. She resigned in protest over what she called the "lack of ethics" of fellow Alaskan Republican leaders, who ignored her whistleblowing complaints of legal violations and conflicts of interest.[20][3] After she resigned, Palin exposed the state Republican Party's chairman, Randy Ruedrich, one of her fellow Oil & Gas commissioners, who was accused of doing work for the party on public time and supplying a lobbyist with a sensitive e-mail.[21] Palin filed formal complaints against both Ruedrich and former Alaska Attorney General Gregg Renkes, who both resigned. Ruedrich also paid a record $12,000 fine.[3]"

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin

    "7. She is an avid outback runner while pregnant**"

    How shameful to keep healthy while pregnant!

    "She is a beauty queen "

    Ah, she's pretty, so she must be stupid, right?

    Love these feminists

    "She just finished John McCain's run for the white house"

    If it makes you feel better to believe that
    • Re: Some of the known's about GOP VP Pick

      Sat, August 30, 2008 - 5:29 PM
      Oh, she fired someone. Must have been wrongful. Can't imagine anyone ever deserving to be fired. She must be unethical, so we can ignore the following:

      Well herein is the problem.....

      She said she did not fire the guy........then she said that she had nothing to do with his firing, then she admitted that some members of her staff contacted him about this issue then A bipartisan committee -- Republicans and Democrats -- voted 12-0 on July 28 to hire a special investigator to look into Gov. Palin's actions.

      Then she had the Alaska State Attorney General out to do some investigative work of his own so she could find out in advance what the real investigation was going to find. The AG interviewed several people, without telling the appointed investigator or the Legislature!"

      So your desire to wash over this is not shared by so many others. How about you take a look at her own words on this matter.....go to 3:14 www.youtube.com/watch

      and consider this is her previous statement......Governor Palin insists Monegan was not fired. In a statement Thursday Palin said:

      "Former Commissioner Monegan was not released due to any actions or inaction related to personnel issues in his department. We had hoped the former commissioner would have stayed in state service to help fight alcohol-related crime. We offered him the position of executive director of the Alcoholic Beverage Control board and, unfortunately, he turned it down."

      Monegan says he was fired because he says when Palin's Acting Chief of Staff Mike Nizich offered him the ABC job, Monegan says he asked Nizich, "So I guess I'm not the Commissioner of DPS?" Monegan says Nizich replied, "This is correct."

      Monegan also takes issue with Governor Palin's recent statements regarding his replacement, former Kenai Police Chief Chuck Kopp's hiring, to take Troopers in a "new direction."

      Oh BTW the guy she replaced Monegan with had to resign why? The resignation came one day after Gov. Sarah Palin said she had not known that Kopp, as chief of the Kenai Police Department, had received a letter of reprimand that stemmed from a sexual harassment complaint. Seem that he liked to kiss and hug his fellow officers......

      i guess you have no problems with this huh.......
      • Re: Some of the known's about GOP VP Pick

        Sat, August 30, 2008 - 6:13 PM
        "So your desire to wash over this is not shared by so many others"

        Wash over? I know very little about the situation as do you, but clearly you're desperate to find dirt, and clearly desperate to assume the worst of her motivations and believe everything negative about her coming out of Alaska.

        Gotta find that dirt! Dirt! Dirt! Dirt!

        Love this "new politics"
        • Re: Some of the known's about GOP VP Pick

          Sat, August 30, 2008 - 6:17 PM
          Oh it is like that when the shoe is on the other foot. Cry to someone that care..........................
          • Re: Some of the known's about GOP VP Pick

            Sat, August 30, 2008 - 6:20 PM

            either English isn't your native language or you have a problem.
            • Re: Some of the known's about GOP VP Pick

              Sat, August 30, 2008 - 6:24 PM
              you know what I am saying you just have nothing to reply with other than drivel about language.....I guess you think it is alright to stone homosexuals and leave new born babies to some nanny after 72 hours.....
              • Re: Some of the known's about GOP VP Pick

                Sat, August 30, 2008 - 6:32 PM
                >> I guess you think it is alright to stone homosexuals and leave new born babies to some nanny after 72 hours..... <<

                changing your mind is like changing a diaper... you go ahead and think whatever you want Einstein.
                • Re: Some of the known's about GOP VP Pick

                  Sat, August 30, 2008 - 6:50 PM
                  where have I changed my mind.

                  Her religion calls for the stoning of homosexuals and many, many other very controversial actions. What mother leaves their baby, let alone a preemie baby, to return to work in three days.

                  Why did she need to get back to work so bad. Oh yea to approve a pipe line deal that outsourced the labor and has yet to been vetted as being good for Alaskan's. But leaving a baby at home with some outsourced care is ok too by your reasoning or lack of it.
          • Re: Some of the known's about GOP VP Pick

            Mon, September 1, 2008 - 10:53 PM
            "Oh it is like that when the shoe is on the other foot. Cry to someone that care........................."

            Ah, case three of the old "It's OK that we smear because they do too!" argument; what's particularly annoying is that you guys then whine about right wing attacks being unfair.

            Hypocrites
    • So here is the problem with the prego stuff.

      Sat, August 30, 2008 - 5:41 PM
      One she flew on a plane at 7 months pregnant to a conference in Tx where her water broke and what did she do. She waited until it was her time to speak and then afterward she did not go to a doctor or hospital she boarded a plane and flew 8 hours back to Alaska and what did she do there. Well she did not go to a hospital in that would have the neonatal center that someone in her condition would need considering she already knew her baby had problems..she got in a car and drove 45 minutes to a remote hospital that had no such center delivered the baby and then returned to work in 72 hours.

      Now Ron, I can image that you have little or no clue about babies but more than one point of this story would give someone that does pause.
      • Re: So here is the problem with the prego stuff.

        Sat, August 30, 2008 - 5:43 PM
        The whole pregnancy story is really fishy and is getting more and more attention. Freakin weird. All these religious freaks are weirdos once you get to know them. She reminds me of carrie's mom.
        • Re: So here is the problem with the prego stuff.

          Sat, August 30, 2008 - 5:48 PM
          >> All these religious freaks are weirdos once you get to know them. <<

          nothing like a few loose generalizations to bolster your claims of intellectual relevance.
          • Re: So here is the problem with the prego stuff.

            Sat, August 30, 2008 - 6:01 PM
            Yoni do you think that homosexuals should be stoned? Her religion does...........
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              Sat, August 30, 2008 - 7:06 PM
              >>Yoni do you think that homosexuals should be stoned? Her religion does........... <<

              Being that Yoni is bi-sexual I don't think he'd be down fer that. Right Yoni?
              • Defend her church damn yourself in thier eyes.

                Sat, August 30, 2008 - 7:19 PM
                Well Yoni I guess if you tried to go to her church you would be less then welcome

                Here is her church's stance on Homosexuality

                I. Homosexual Behavior Is Sin.

                Historically, homosexuality often has been defined as an emotional (psychological) or organic (physiological) problem. In recent years, some have lobbied mental health organizations to have homosexuality removed from the list of classified diagnostic pathologies, and many have come to see it as nothing more than a morally neutral personal preference or a naturally occurring aspect of human biological diversity. In making moral judgments, we must remember scriptural warnings against depending on our own reasoning or even personal experience to discern truth (Proverbs 3:5,6).
                A. Homosexual behavior is sin because it is disobedient to scriptural teachings.

                When God called Israel to be His people in a distinctive sense, He miraculously delivered them from Egyptian bondage. But God did more. He entered into a covenant relationship with them and provided the Law, predicated on love for God and neighbor, by which they could order their lives as a holy people. That law included specific prohibitions of homosexual practice, such as that of Leviticus 18:22: “Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.” Lest the previous injunction be misunderstood, Leviticus 20:13 provides a restatement, “If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable.” “Detestable,” used in both verses, is a strong word that indicates divine displeasure with sin.6

                The Christian church has historically understood that although the ceremonial provisions of the Old Testament law were no longer in effect after the atoning death of Christ, the New Testament interpretation and restatement of its moral law was. On the subject of homosexuality, both the Old and New Testaments speak with one voice. The moral prohibitions against homosexual behavior in the Old Testament are pointedly repeated in the New Testament.

                To those who witnessed on a daily basis the sexual license of imperial Rome, Paul depicted the results that followed in the lives of those who rejected God and “worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator. . . . Because of this God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations[7] for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations[8] with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts[9] with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion” (Romans 1:25–27). Paul is referring to both male homosexuality and lesbianism.

                In Paul’s day, the city of Corinth was especially notorious for sexual immorality. It was not only a crossroads of commerce, but of all kinds of vice. Because the church was being established in this city, it was important that new Christians come to understand God’s moral order. The record is explicit. Paul wrote, “Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God?” Then he continued, “Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral[10] nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders . . . will inherit the kingdom of God” (1 Corinthians 6:9,10). In this case, Paul is understood to identify male homosexuals in both active and passive homosexual behavioral roles.11

                Paul wrote, “Law is not made for a righteous man, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers and immoral men and homosexuals12 . . . ” (1 Timothy 1:9,10, NASB13).

                An unbiased study of these passages makes it clear that Scripture consistently identifies homosexual behavior as sin. Not only do the Scriptures condemn more flagrant examples of homosexual violence and promiscuity, they also provide no support for the popular modern idea that loving and committed homosexual relationships between two long-term partners are morally acceptable. Homosexual activities of every kind are contrary to the moral commandments God has given us.
                B. Homosexual behavior is sin because it is contrary to God’s created order for the family and human relationships.

                The first chapter of the Bible says, “So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them” (Genesis 1:27). After God had created the male, He indicated it was not good for him to live alone (Genesis 2:18). So God created a companion for him (Genesis 2:18). It should be noted that the male’s aloneness was not to be remedied by the creation of another male but by the creation of a female. God created two sexes, not just one, and each for the other.

                When God brought the woman to Adam, he said, “This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called ‘woman,’ for she was taken out of man.” Scripture then states, “For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh” (Genesis 2:23,24).

                In creating humankind God established the order of sexuality by which the race was to develop. Psychologically, the relationship is sound. Physically, the relationship is natural. Sociologically, it establishes the foundation for the family. The biblical order for human sexual expression is that of an intimate physical relationship to be shared exclusively within a lifelong marriage covenant—a heterosexual and monogamous relationship.

                When people choose to engage in homosexual behavior, they depart from the God-given nature of sexuality. Their unnatural sexual behavior is a sin against God, who established the order of sexuality (Romans 1:27). And the social unit they seek to establish is contrary to the divine instruction for the man to leave father and mother and be “united to his wife” (Genesis 2:24).

                In Jesus’ discussion with the Pharisees, He reiterated the order of sexuality that God established in the beginning: “Haven’t you read. . .that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’ and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’?” (Matthew 19:4,5). He pointed out that the only alternative to heterosexual marriage is celibacy for the kingdom of heaven’s sake (Matthew 19:10–12).
                C. Homosexual behavior is sin that comes under divine judgment.

                The name of the ancient city of Sodom14 has become a synonym for homosexual behavior. While other evils existed in this community, sodomy was prominent. The homosexuals of Sodom were so depraved that they threatened homosexual rape of Lot’s guests. “Bring them [“the men who came to you”] out to us so that we can have sex15 with them,” Lot was told (Genesis 19:5). The biblical record indicates that the mob became violent and tried to break down the door of Lot’s house. Only divine intervention spared Lot and his household from their evil intentions, and God subsequently destroyed both Sodom and the neighboring city of Gomorrah (Genesis 19:4–11,24,25).

                God’s punishment of these cities was of such severity that it is used as an illustration of divine judgment by both Peter (2 Peter 2:6) and Jude (7). Jude’s commentary is particularly apt, “In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.”

                The Book of Judges (19:1–30) records an incident in the ancient Benjamite city of Gibeah that has many similarities to the sin of Sodom. Certain “wicked men of the city” (19:22) sought to force a visiting Levite male into homosexual acts16 with them. Denied their insistent requests, the attackers finally settled for vicious sexual abuse and gang-rape17 of the Levite’s concubine that resulted in her death (19:25–30). The other tribes of Israel found the crime so repugnant that when the tribe of Benjamin refused to surrender the offenders, they eventually went to war—decimating the Benjamites (20:1-48).

                These are particularly notorious examples of homosexual expression that undoubtedly most homosexual persons today would repudiate. It should be understood that while expressing abhorrence at such rapacious perversion, the biblical writers do not imply that heterosexuals are not capable of sexual atrocities nor that every homosexual is as depraved as the residents of those ancient cities. Nor should modern Christians draw those implications. It is important to note, however, that wherever homosexuality occurs in the biblical record it is an occasion of scandal and judgment. Homosexuality is never viewed in a positive light.

                The biblical writers make it clear that practicing homosexuals, along with sexually immoral heterosexuals and all other unrepentant sinners, will not inherit the kingdom of God (1 Corinthians 6:9,10). Paul also described homosexual conduct as one evidence of God’s judgment for humankind’s corporate rebellion against Him (Romans 1:26,27). Jesus himself was explicit that at the end of the age “the Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. They will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth” (Matthew 13:40–42).
                II. Homosexual Behavior Is Sin For Which Reconciliation Is Possible.

                While Scripture makes it clear homosexual behavior is sin and comes under the judgment of God, it also indicates that those who are guilty of homosexual behavior or any other sin can be reconciled to God (2 Corinthians 5:17–21).

                In the church at Corinth were former homosexuals who had been delivered from the power of sin by the grace of God. In 1 Corinthians 6:9, Paul listed homosexuals along with immoral heterosexuals as those who cannot inherit the kingdom of God. His grammar implies continuing sexually immoral activity until their conversion. Verse 11 follows with a powerful contrast, “And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.” They had been homosexuals in orientation and behavior, but now through the power of God’s Spirit their lives were radically transformed.

                Scripture makes clear that the efficacy of the death and resurrection of Christ is unlimited for those who accept it. There is no stain of sin so dark that it cannot be cleansed. John the Baptist announced, “Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!” (John 1:29).

                The apostle Paul wrote, “God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.” (2 Corinthians 5:21).

                The apostle John wrote, “If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness” (1 John 1:9).

                Through the regenerating power of the Holy Spirit, people, regardless of the nature of their sin, can be made new creations in Christ Jesus (2 Corinthians 5:17). God’s plan of salvation is the same for all. The homosexual who wants to be delivered from the penalty and power of sin must come to God in the same way all sinners must come to God, in the same way all who are now His children have come for deliverance from their sins.

                The act of turning to God for salvation includes both repentance and faith. Jesus is both Savior and Lord. He is the one who forgives our sin as we believe in Him and repent. Repentance represents a change of mind in which there is a turning from sin in both attitude and behavior.

                Jesus is also the One whose lordship we affirm in holy living. “It is God’s will that you should be sanctified: that you should avoid sexual immorality; that each of you should learn to control his own body in a way that is holy and honorable, not in passionate lust like the heathen, who do not know God” (1 Thessalonians 4:3-5).

                Like the Philippian jailer who asked what he had to do to be saved, those desiring salvation must believe in the Lord Jesus Christ (Acts 16:30,31)—believe that He can save from the power as well as the penalty of sin. Obedient faith, like repentance, is a condition of salvation.
                III. A Word to the Church.

                Of fundamental importance for every individual, including those who struggle with homosexual temptation or behavior, is the need for reconciliation with God through His Son Jesus Christ.

                Believers who struggle with homosexual temptations must be encouraged and strengthened by fellow Christians (Galatians 6:1,2). Likewise, they should be taught that temptation is universal, that temptation itself is not sin, and that temptation can be resisted and overcome (1 Corinthians 10:13; Hebrews 12:1–6).

                The moral imperatives of Scripture are incumbent upon all persons. However, believers should not be surprised that unbelievers do not honor God and do not recognize the Bible as a rightful claim on their lives and conduct (1 Corinthians 1:18). Peter writes clearly of the conflict and contrast between believer and unbeliever in his first letter:

                Therefore, since Christ suffered in his body, arm yourselves also with the same attitude, because he who has suffered in his body is done with sin. As a result, he does not live the rest of his earthly life for evil human desires, but rather for the will of God. For you have spent enough time in the past doing what pagans choose to do—living in debauchery, lust, drunkenness, orgies, carousing and detestable idolatry. They think it strange that you do not plunge with them into the same flood of dissipation, and they heap abuse on you. But they will have to give account to him who is ready to judge the living and the dead (1 Peter 4:1–5).

                As Christians we must both exhort believers to live in moral purity and express in word and deed Christ’s love for the lost. Aware of the claims of God on every aspect of our lives, we must emphasize that we are called to holiness. To unbelievers we must reach out with compassion and humility. We must hold no malice toward, or fear of, homosexuals—such attitudes are not of Christ. At the same time we must not condone sexual behavior God has defined as sinful.

                Christians should also do all they can to assist the person who has struggled with homosexual behaviors to find deliverance. Change is not always easy but it is possible. It may require the help of others in the body of Christ, such as counselors and pastors, as well as a supportive church fellowship. Christian organizations are also available to help those who seek to change their lifestyles.

                We desire all to be reconciled to God—to experience the peace and joy that stems from the forgiveness of sin through a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. God does not want any to perish in their sins; He invites all to accept His offer of eternal life (John 3:16). As part of His church, we issue that invitation to life in Christ to everyone.



                www.ag.org/top/Beliefs/...sexuality.cfm
      • Re: So here is the problem with the prego stuff.

        Sat, August 30, 2008 - 6:17 PM
        "Now Ron, I can image that you have little or no clue about babies but more than one point of this story would give someone that does pause. "

        I have a 13 month old child and know a little about babies. I also know that you're desperate to dig up dirt on her, attack her character and believe every possible negative spin about her that you read.

        What did Obama say about not attacking someone's character just because you disagree with their politics?

        I guess that was lost on some of his supporters, if he really believed what he said (which is belied by his attack on McCain's character).
        • Re: So here is the problem with the prego stuff.

          Sat, August 30, 2008 - 6:20 PM
          So you know about babies. could your wife fly at 7 months. Is it even advised to fly. If her water broke would you a. go to a hospital or at least a doctor or b. get on a plane and fly for how many hours it takes to get to Alaska from TX and then go to a rural hospital that has not neonatal center to deliver a baby that was already know to have complications and then approve of your wife returning to work 72 hours later.
    • Re: Some of the known's about GOP VP Pick

      Sat, August 30, 2008 - 5:47 PM
      >> "7. She is an avid outback runner while pregnant**"

      How shameful to keep healthy while pregnant! <<

      yeah. I had to scratch my head over that one too. it is amazing how the desperately hateful will latch on to anything in order to cast someone they disagree with in a negative light.
      • Re: Some of the known's about GOP VP Pick

        Sat, August 30, 2008 - 5:50 PM
        If the GOP or Republican was in front of it you would believe that moon was made of cheese..........She was running in the outback at 7 months pregnant. Do women that are 7 months pregnant fly. do they not seek medical attention if the water breaks prematurely.......and then get back on a plane and fly more than half a day and then get in a car an go to a remote hospital that has no facilities to deal with someone in her condition.
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          Sat, August 30, 2008 - 6:08 PM
          >> If the GOP or Republican was in front of it you would believe that moon was made of cheese..........<<

          and every idiotic post you make only makes me more certain that you are a complete idiot.

          >> She was running in the outback at 7 months pregnant. Do women that are 7 months pregnant fly. do they not seek medical attention if the water breaks prematurely.......and then get back on a plane and fly more than half a day and then get in a car an go to a remote hospital that has no facilities to deal with someone in her condition. <<

          blathering off Kos rumors... typical.
          • Re: Some of the known's about GOP VP Pick

            Sat, August 30, 2008 - 6:15 PM
            It is not a homor that she flew to Texas while being 7 months pregnant. it is not a rumor that she claimed that her water broke and she did not seek medical attention and instead got on a plane, again, and few back to Alaska and then got in a car and drove to a rural medical center and lastly it is not a humor that she went back to work after 3 days leave a new born under someone other then the mothers care.

            Here are some facts about what to do when the water breaks,


            Re: SUPERMOM OR LIAR? ---> Gov. Palin back at work 3 days after giving birth to son Quote

            Here are some extra tips to consider when your water breaks during pregnancy:

            * Call your doctor immediately if you are less than 36 weeks pregnant.
            * Call your doctor if you notice the fluid is green or tinged an unusual color or has an unusual odor.
            * Head to the labor and delivery department if you are more than 36 weeks pregnant and are in active labor.
            * Call your doctor if you are not sure whether you are leaking amniotic fluid, as they can perform a test to confirm whether your membranes are ruptured or not.
            * Call 911 if your water breaks and you feel pressure down below like you have to have a bowel movement or you feel the baby’s head. Delivery may be more imminent than you think! (But don’t panic, this is rarely the case!).
            * Head to the emergency room immediately or call 911 if your water breaks and your baby has been lying in a transverse position. This may pose a life-threatening situation for you or your baby.
        • Re: Some of the known's about GOP VP Pick

          Sat, August 30, 2008 - 6:19 PM
          "If the GOP or Republican was in front of it you would believe that moon was made of cheese"

          If a Republican was in front of you, you would probably assume that he or she was taking time off from killing and eating babies sacrificed to Satan.
          • Re: Some of the known's about GOP VP Pick

            Sat, August 30, 2008 - 6:22 PM
            No but their pick for VP will apparently abandon the care of a seriously sick new born after 72 hours to return to a government job. And, best yet you are defending this way to go new dad.....
            • Re: Some of the known's about GOP VP Pick

              Sat, August 30, 2008 - 6:31 PM

              so as far as the pictures... shouldn't you link to the articles for each picture? just because a pic from an article refers to a person at a point in time doesn't mean that the picture is from that point of time. if this is really such a big issue to you, you'd probably want to see several pics since it is likely that the angle may effect perception.

              not to mention that you might want to read the comments from all the "far right" psychos commenting how the diarist you are linking to is a troll and a liar. it's kind of nice to see non-idiot left-wing partisans rip low life pieces of crap like you apart. political differences are one thing. gutter bullshit like this is another.
              • Re: Some of the known's about GOP VP Pick

                Sat, August 30, 2008 - 6:43 PM
                The only thing that I have pointed out that as a mother she has shown a complete lack of judgment, let alone concern for this child.....dispute the details that she has provided.

                Flying at 7 months.
                Flying after the water breaks let alone not seeking medical attention here is what she said about this......

                "I said I am going to stay for the day. I have a speech I was determined to give," Palin said. She gave the luncheon keynote address for the energy conference.


                Returning to work after 3 DAYS with a preemie baby at home being cared for by whom?


                Nice try with the head fake but back to the point if you care to explain another course of action.....

      • Re: Some of the known's about GOP VP Pick

        Sat, August 30, 2008 - 5:51 PM
        "nothing like a few loose generalizations to bolster your claims of intellectual relevance."

        Take it easy there turbo its called sarcasm. I have very religious friends, family and even some ethnic friends.
    • Re: Some of the known's about GOP VP Pick

      Sat, August 30, 2008 - 6:19 PM
      <<" She was mayor of a village, it's not a city, of 6500 people.">>

      <Which is more executive experience than Obama has ever had,>

      Ron - really? You're going to try to make that an argument? That her experience of a village of a few thousand people was more important than Obama's eight years as a State Senator? Now, I don't think that being a State Senator is a big deal - but it's 1000times bigger than just some mayor of a tiny village in one of our most vast and unpopulated sates.

      <not to mention being governor.>

      For 20 months. The jury is still out on her in this context.

      <<"She fired the Public Safety Commissioner* ">>

      <Oh, she fired someone. Must have been wrongful. Can't imagine anyone ever deserving to be fired. She must be unethical, so we can ignore the following:>

      Ron, she fired him because that guy would not get involved with the firing of a state trooper, the ex-husband of her sister!!!!!!!!!! Really? You're defending that?
      • Re: Some of the known's about GOP VP Pick

        Sat, August 30, 2008 - 6:22 PM
        >> That her experience of a village of a few thousand people was more important than Obama's eight years as a State Senator? <<

        holy christ! is there some kind of contest to see which of you boobs can make the most idiotic post?

        Ron only pointed out that she had more executive experience Obama. which isn't hard because he has none. importance is your little hangup.
  • Number 6.

    Sat, August 30, 2008 - 7:05 PM
    So how many here think that flying over a wolf and shooting it is really hunting Palin does and it seem that the rest of the State does not.

    I recently received an e-mail from a campaign staffer for Sarah Palin, explaining Ms. Palin's support for aerial killing of predators. She noted Ms. Palin had read the biography of Frank Glaser, a professional wolf killer working some 60 years ago, and had formulated her views based on that book.

    Palin found the outdated principles by which Mr. Glaser operated to be "good science." Thus, she disregards two statewide votes in which Alaskans banned the practice, and she shows an ignorance of recent polls indicating 83 percent of Alaskans and 71 percent of Alaska hunters disapprove. She seems unaware of the 2005 letter sent by the American Society of Mammalogists in protest of the gunning, a letter they will repeat this year. And she ignores such Alaskans as Vic Van Ballenberghe, Gordon Haber, Joel Bennett, Nick Jans and Lowell Thomas Jr., all of whom oppose aerial killing.

    Palin presents herself as one who studies issues in depth, decides based on the best information and gives weight to Alaskans' opinions. But when it comes to aerial killing, she toes the Alaska Outdoor Council line just like Gov. Frank Murkowski.

    We know what sort of governor he was. Apparently, Palin sees no reason to be any different.

    www.wolfsongnews.org/news/Al...818.html

    BTW here is the facts.

    83% of Alaskans and 71% of Alaskan hunters are against aerial wolf hunting, the state has passed two referendums against it, yet it remains legal and Palin has managed to get it off of the 2008 ballot despite saying earlier that she and the state would abide its outcome.

    So we have covered three of my points in the OP. Unless someone is going to say that hunting like this is ok................
    • Unsu...
       

      Re: Number 6.

      Sat, August 30, 2008 - 8:43 PM
      Hunting like this is OK. Takes great skill to kill from a moving aircraft. This babe should have been airborne, looks like shes more man than most of the "men" in this whiny ass tribe. Buncha fuckin panzys. Hu-ah for her.

      Happy now, dipshit?
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        Re: Number 6.

        Sat, August 30, 2008 - 8:46 PM
        Wonder if a wolf is harder to target than a hajji?
        • Re: Number 6.

          Sat, August 30, 2008 - 9:13 PM
          Why don't you enlist and find out?
          • Unsu...
             

            Re: Number 6.

            Sat, August 30, 2008 - 9:19 PM
            Those boots would ruin my pedicure.
            • Re: Number 6.

              Sat, August 30, 2008 - 9:35 PM
              enlison.....

              i am not against hunting.......if necessary.

              i am orig. from switzerland.
              only 20 years...the bear, lynx and wolf found his way back......after they were eradicated in 1855.

              deers , wild pigs have to be controlled...otherwise they commit way more damage than good.


              hunting is ok with me .........as long the hunter...as you do....goes out and uses " primal" tools.

              using a high powered rifle and a scope is not hunting.
              using..as you do....bow and arrow.... IS hunting.
              please.........just use the meat and skin...........don't be a prick who goes for the antlers or wild pig tusks.
              • Re: Number 6.

                Sat, August 30, 2008 - 9:40 PM
                "please.........just use the meat and skin...........don't be a prick who goes for the antlers or wild pig tusks. "

                wtf? use the whole animal if you're going to kill it.
              • Re: Number 6.

                Sat, August 30, 2008 - 9:53 PM
                I need to amend my hunting status, since I became a vegetarian the bow is still right where I left it......I agree if you do hunt use it all and I also understand about predator prey relationships and the need to cull in some cases all of which are caused by man disturbing the natural ratio's.....that said hunting from a copter or airplane is not hunting and if she was culling then I would need to see some proof.

                Funny back when I was in Texas some of my friends were a tad worried that I would shoot them as well as anything else that moved. I also hunted with a 50 Caliber Smoke Pole what I assembled, blued and have to this day.
  • Number 11

    Sat, August 30, 2008 - 9:34 PM
    The lady does not believe that man has anything to do with global warming. Note the big ass hurricane forming in the gulf.....

    Some scientists believe Alaska will be among the first to feel the impact of global warming, but Sarah Palin told voters there she wasn't sure climate change wasn't simply part of a natural warming cycle.

    "I will not pretend to have all the answers," Palin said about global warming, according to the Anchorage Daily News. Her spokesman clarified at the time that "she's not totally convinced one way or the other. Science will tell us ... She thinks the jury's still out."

    Palin shared her views in the run-up to the 2006 governor's race, at an Alaska Federation of Natives convention, where delegates passed a resolution calling for a mandatory reduction in pollution affecting the atmosphere.

    Answering a question from the Daily News, Palin cautioned against "overreaction."

    From the same page

    In an interview released by Newsmax magazine today, Palin said that while she recognized her state would be affected by climate change, that didn't mean humans are responsible.

    "A changing environment will affect Alaska more than any other state, because of our location," she said. "I'm not one though who would attribute it to being man-made."

    Palin's comments stand in sharp contrast to those of McCain, who says at every campaign stop that he believes human activity is driving global warming,

    voices.washingtonpost.com/the-t...l.html
    • Re: Number 11

      Sat, August 30, 2008 - 11:22 PM
      <<Some scientists believe Alaska will be among the first to feel the impact of global warming>>

      This is nearly universal, as far as I know. The excess heat of the planet ultimately finds it way to the poles. Most of the models put the warming differential at 4 to 1, if memory serves. That is, for every one degree of increase at the equator, the poles increase 4 degrees. While Alaskans may find the idea of a balmy state desirable the ramifications of such a change will be devastating for the ecosystems.
  • So I wonder how she would respond to Russian latest threat to the NATO Alliance. According to Steve on Fox and Friends she has experience dealing with Russia.



    "If NATO suddenly takes military actions against Abkhazia and South Ossetia, acting solely in support of Tbilisi, this will mean a declaration of war on Russia," said the Russian Ambassador to NATO, Mr. Dmitry Rogozin. Further, Russia is making it clear that military assistance to Georgia will be considered an act of war. Ambassador Rogozin likened the current crisis to the fevered diplomatic atmosphere in Europe just before the start of the First World War. World War I was said to start when "the lights went out in the chancelleries of Europe" and diplomatic measures failed.

    A top Russian military figure, the President of the Academy of Geopolitical Studies (in Moscow) Colonel General Leonid Ivashov said "We are close to a serious conflict". With regard to the Georgia-South Ossetian conflict, General Ivashov said that one of the principal goals of NATO's "geopolitical operation" was to neutralize Russia as a global player in the run-up to a war with Iran.

    www.freerepublic.com/focus/f...79/posts
  • From the local papers

    Sat, August 30, 2008 - 10:39 PM
    From the editorial in the Daily News-Miner in Fairbanks:

    Sen. John McCain's selection of Gov. Sarah Palin as his vice presidential running mate was a stunning decision that should make Alaskans proud, even while we wonder about the actual merits of the choice.... Alaskans and Americans must ask, though, whether she should become vice president and, more importantly, be placed first in line to become president.

    In fact, as the governor herself acknowledged in her acceptance speech, she never set out to be involved in public affairs. She has never publicly demonstrated the kind of interest, much less expertise, in federal issues and foreign affairs that should mark a candidate for the second-highest office in the land. Republicans rightfully have criticized the Democratic nominee, Sen. Barack Obama, for his lack of experience, but Palin is a neophyte in comparison; how will Republicans reconcile the criticism of Obama with the obligatory cheering for Palin?

    Most people would acknowledge that, regardless of her charm and good intentions, Palin is not ready for the top job. McCain seems to have put his political interests ahead of the nation's when he created the possibility that she might fill it.

    And from the editorial in the Anchorage Daily News:

    It's stunning that someone with so little national and international experience might be heartbeat away from the presidency.

    Gov. Palin is a classic Alaska story. She is an example of the opportunity our state offers to those with talent, initiative and determination...

    McCain picked Palin despite a recent blemish on her ethically pure resume. While she was governor, members of her family and staff tried to get her ex-brother-in-law fired from the Alaska State Troopers. Her public safety commissioner would not do so; she forced him out, supposedly for other reasons. While she runs for vice-president, the Legislature has an investigator on the case.

    For all those advantages, Palin joins the ticket with one huge weakness: She's a total beginner on national and international issues.

    Gov. Palin will have to spend the next two months convincing Americans that she's ready to be a heartbeat away from the presidency....
  • # 12. Her term as mayor and the legacy

    Sun, August 31, 2008 - 9:55 AM
    Sarah Palin and Wasilla Sports Complex land deal
    by xgz
    Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 09:39:17 AM PDT

    Sarah Palin was mayor of Wasilla from 1996 to 2002. Her record during that time can tell us a lot about her. The biggest deal during her tenure is perhaps the construction of the sports complex that was built on someone else's land. She had to raise sales taxes to pay for it. The whole episode of incompetence, arrogance, and lack of respect for the law is exactly the style of governance that we've seen from Bush and co in the past seven years.

    The $15 million multi-use indoor ice arena was supposed to be her legacy as the mayor. This was a very big deal for a city that had a budget of $3.9 million in 96 (increased to $5.8 million in 2002). Although the city subsidy has gone down from the initial $600k per year to about $125k per year, the sports complex still does not break even.

    The biggest problem, however, was the process of how the land was acquired. The whole thing was handled with exceptional incompetence and arrogance, ultimately costing the city an extra $1.7 million in settlement and court cost for a piece of land that would have costed only $125k if they had handled it right from the beginning in 1998.

    This involved a developer by the name of Gary Lundgren. Here is the whole scoop:

    Lundgren negotiated with the national office of The Nature Conservancy to buy the land. Meanwhile, Wasilla city officials decided they wanted the land too, and began negotiating with the Alaska office of The Nature Conservancy. Offers were extended to both parties. Lundgren closed the deal.

    Without the title in their hands, the city went ahead with the sales tax increase and started the construction. Then in typical Bush fashion, as Palin was leaving office in 2002,Wasilla sued both Lundgren and The Nature Conservancy for title to the land. The case went to a federal appeals court, where Lundgren won rights to the property.

    The court case was finally settled several years after Palin left.

    The real legacy is, that the city is still paying for this today, while having to cut budget in library service, postponing capital improvement projects, and raising fees.

    Here is a picture of this thrivin big city..........that she was the mayor of folks uspolitics.tribe.net/photos/...f70d4978
  • BTW she lied in her speech about the bridge

    Sun, August 31, 2008 - 10:18 AM
    “I championed reform to end the abuses of earmark spending by Congress. In fact, I told Congress — I told Congress, ‘Thanks, but no thanks,’ on that Bridge to Nowhere. ‘If our state wanted a bridge’, I said, ‘we’d build it ourselves’.

    That is what she said. Now here is the truth........

    from the Ketchikan Daily News:

    “People across the nation struggle with the idea of building a bridge because they’ve been under these misperceptions about the bridge and the purpose,’ said Palin, who described the link as the Ketchikan area’s potential for expansion and growth.

    Palin said Alaska’s congressional delegation worked hard to obtain funding for the bridge and that she ‘would not stand in the way of the progress toward that bridge’.
    8-8-06

    ‘We need to come to the defense of Southeast Alaska when proposals are on the table like the bridge and not allow the spinmeisters to turn this project or any other into something that’s so negative,’ Palin said.”
    Ketchikan Daily News 9-28-06

    Alaska Senator Ted Stevens (currently under indictment) and Representative Don Young (currently under investigation) were the bridge’s two biggest proponents. But they were unable to convince Congress to fund the infamous bridge from Ketchikan to Gravina Island at the levels it had hoped. Now, instead of Alaska paying $160 million, the cost to Alaska skyrocketed to $349 million.

    After federal funding had been slashed, Palin was asked if she was still in support of funding the project. She said:

    Yes. I would like to see Alaska’s infrastructure projects built sooner rather than later. The window is now–while our congressional delegation is in a strong position to assist.


    mudflats.wordpress.com/catego...-palin/
    • Re: BTW she lied in her speech about the bridge

      Sun, August 31, 2008 - 10:36 AM
      Enlilson, can you link to the original article where the above remarks were made?
      • Here is some of her own

        Sun, August 31, 2008 - 6:07 PM
        Palin herself gave yesterday to reporter back home, at the Anchorage Daily News.

        The reporter, Kyle Hopkins, asked, according to the transcript posted today, "Are you ready to be President Palin if necessary?"

        "I am ... I am up to the task, of course, of focusing on the challenges that face America," she answered, and that was all she could say on her behalf on this question. Then she abruptly shifted to how her candidacy would help Alaska. "And I am very pleased with the situation that I am in, when, when you consider the situation now that Alaska will be in.

        "And that is Alaska, and Alaskans will be allowed to contribute more to our great country and they'll be allowed to do that because I -- if we're elected -- will be in a position of opening the eyes of the country to what it is that Alaska is all about and what Alaska has to offer. So, I am happy to and very honored to be asked to do this. I know it's going to be great for Alaska."

  • Members of 'Fringe' Alaskan Independence Party Say Palin Was a Member in 90s

    September 01, 2008 6:52 PM

    The campaign of Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., likes to herald the independence of its new running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin.

    Officials of the Alaskan Independence Party say that Palin was once so independent, she was once a member of their party, which, since the 1970s, has been pushing for a legal vote for Alaskans to decide whether or not residents of the 49th state can secede from the United States.

    And while McCain's motto -- as seen in a new TV ad -- is "Country First," the AIP's motto is the exact opposite -- "Alaska First -- Alaska Always."

    Lynette Clark, the chairman of the AIP, tells ABC News that Palin and her husband Todd were members in 1994, even attending the 1994 statewide convention in Wasilla. Clark was AIP secretary at the time.

    "We are a state's rights party," says Clark, a self-employed goldminer. The AIP has "a plank that challenges the legality of the Alaskan statehood vote as illegal and in violation of United Nations charter and international law."

    She says it's not accurate to describe the party as secessionist -- they just want a vote, she says, adding that the members of the AIP hold different opinions on what Alaska should be.

    "My own separate opinion as an individual is that we should be an independent nation," Clark says. Others in the AIP "believe that being a commonwealth would be a good avenue to follow." Some advocate statehood -- but a fuller statehood than exists now.

    She doesn't know what Palin's position was.

    "It never came up in conversation," Clark recalls. "But when she joined the party, our platform was right under her nose."

    Clark says that Palin left the party and became a Republican in 1996, when she first ran for mayor of Wasilla.

    The McCain-Palin campaign did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

    The AIP platform states that the purpose of the party is to "seek the complete repatriation of the public lands, held by the federal government, to the state and people of Alaska in conformance with Article 1, Section 8, Clause 17, of the federal constitution ... To prohibit all bureaucratic regulations and judicial rulings purporting to have the effect of law, except that which shall be approved by the elected legislature ... To support the privatization of government services ...”

    Walter Hickel, a former Republican governor, was elected to the governorship in 1990 as an AIP member -- the third-largest party in Alaska -- with a plurality vote of 38.8%. A Seattle Post-Intelligencer story that year said that "Hickel is running with the Alaska Independence Party, a fringe group advocating that the 49th state declare itself a sovereign nation. But he's not a separatist; he's an opportunist: the Independence Party was the only 11th-hour ticket to the general election."

    Hickel returned to the Republican Party in 1994; he endorsed Palin in her gubernatorial run in 2006. Subsequent AIP gubernatorial candidates did not fare as well as did Hickel, garnering less than 2 percent of the vote.

    Earlier this year, Palin sent a video message to the AIP for its annual convention, where AIP vice chair George Clark told the small crowd that Palin "was an AIP member before she got the job as a mayor of a small town –- that was a non-partisan job. But you get along to go along -– she eventually joined the Republican Party, where she had all kinds of problems with their ethics, and well, I won’t go into that. She also had about an 80 percent approval rating, and is pretty well sympathetic to her former membership."

    Lynette Clark says that Palin is "a fine individual. She's forthright and she puts Alaska first."

    She is not a fan of McCain.

    "I can't understand why in God's name she has aligned herself with a candidate who opposes the development of our republic and Alaska's resource wealth," Clark says.

    blogs.abcnews.com/political...-frin.html
  • #14 She is a wikipedia editor too...

    Mon, September 1, 2008 - 10:30 PM
    NPR reports that someone edited Sarah Palin's Wikipedia page Friday just before the word got out that she was John McCain's pick for a running mate. The edits were obviously made to make Palin look good. There were about 30 of them, made by one person. I'll spell out what NPR is dying to say: That one person was Sarah Palin.

    Had this happened to Joe Biden's entry, it wouldn't be deemed a story for National Public Radio. Still, I like this All Things Considered writeup, because it pretty much admits in the first sentence that NPR's army of anti-GOP reporters missed the scoop that Palin was McCain's pick. None of them thought to set a watch on her Wikipedia page.

    If you happened to check Sarah Palin's Wikipedia entry Thursday, you might have had a good tip about Friday's announcement.

    Someone — and apparently it was just one person — felt like the existing biography wasn't appropriate for a vice-presidential candidate.On Friday, 15 minutes before the rumor that John McCain had picked Palin as his running mate, a Wikipedia editor discovered 30 mostly favorable changes had been made to the Alaska governor's profile.

    She was called "a politician of eye-popping integrity" and sections on her participation in a beauty pageant and her alleged use of influence to get her former brother-in-law fired were diminished.

    Wikipedia is now restricting who can alter Palin's page.
  • #8 subpart the church hates the jewish.

    Wed, September 3, 2008 - 7:36 PM
    Anti-Jewish Terror is "God's Judgment"

    02 Sep 2008 11:14 pm

    Yes, Sarah Palin sat in a church where this message was given. Two weeks ago. The karma in all this is just amazing:

    Brickner also described terrorist attacks on Israelis as God's "judgment of unbelief" of Jews who haven't embraced Christianity.

    "Judgment is very real and we see it played out on the pages of the newspapers and on the television. It's very real. When [Brickner's son] was in Jerusalem he was there to witness some of that judgment, some of that conflict, when a Palestinian from East Jerusalem took a bulldozer and went plowing through a score of cars, killing numbers of people. Judgment — you can't miss it."

    Palin was in church that day, Kroon said, though he cautioned against attributing Brickner’s views to her.

    andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/th...tml
    • Re: #8 subpart the church hates the jewish.

      Wed, September 3, 2008 - 7:41 PM
      does the DNC really want to drag out the preacher angle after the Wright affair?
      • Re: #8 subpart the church hates the jewish.

        Wed, September 3, 2008 - 8:23 PM
        It is a wedge issue, she may have been wearing an Israeli flag...so there must be a worry about this subject.
        • Re: #8 subpart the church hates the jewish.

          Wed, September 3, 2008 - 8:27 PM
          Enlilson, think about that for a minute. Who do you think has more to loose from this issue being dragged through the mud?
          • Re: #8 subpart the church hates the jewish.

            Wed, September 3, 2008 - 8:40 PM
            The Obama stuff is already out there and is being bandied about but bringing up her and her church's views along the following lines.

            Thinks Homosexuals should be stoned.
            Jews are bad and need to be come to christ
            The war is a task from G*d
            They will be here to take over the world after the rapture

            Is not the things that main line church going folks are aligned with do you believe any of these things?
            • Re: #8 subpart the church hates the jewish.

              Wed, September 3, 2008 - 9:25 PM
              yeah Enlilson, its the GOP, this is your standard sunday morning reverie, and it isn't a surprise to anyone. But go ahead and remind all the white people about the scary black man hiding in Obama's closet.
              • Re: #8 subpart the church hates the jewish.

                Wed, September 3, 2008 - 11:55 PM
                blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

                you affirmative action deity is not getting elected Enlilson

                The most pertinent thing I heard all night was when Palin asked how a normal couple running a filling station, or working in a factory, or growing wheat is going to be better off when this DUNCE raises their taxes 30%, and when investment slows to a trickle because of the capital gains tax increase.

                They won't be........no one will be better off

                Except for NOBAMA in his inane pursuit of power.

                Not gonna happen Enlilson my boy
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                  Re: #8 subpart the church hates the jewish.

                  Thu, September 4, 2008 - 4:12 AM
                  Taxes are going to go up....NO MATTER WHAT .....OR WHO IS PREZ....

                  AmeriKKKa is BROKE.....CHINA OWNS US....in more ways than is clear to most.

                  Simple...

                  Ooooooh....I'm getting a FLASHBACK....Read My LIPS........circa 1988

                  Yeah....blah blah blh blah blah
            • Re: #8 subpart the church hates the jewish.

              Wed, September 10, 2008 - 12:49 PM
              Ok I'm scared now. This bit goes beyond the eccentricities of obeying your invisible friend (gee don't crazy people do that? )

              This is a planned take over of America by theologists and radical cristians. How is this different from any jihadist nation?
            • Re: #8 subpart the church hates the jewish.

              Wed, September 10, 2008 - 3:26 PM
              "Thinks Homosexuals should be stoned. "

              Please demonstrate where she once suggested this, otherwise you're a liar

              "Jews are bad"

              Please demonstrate where she once suggested this, otherwise you're a liar

              "The war is a task from G*d "

              Please demonstrate where she once suggested this, otherwise you're a liar. She did offer a prayer that what we do in Iraq is God's will (like the common prayer that we do God's will) , but that's not the same thing as saying that the war is a task from God. I think you know that though.

              "They will be here to take over the world after the rapture "

              Who will? And what does her religious beliefs have to do with her qualifications for office, or is respecting different ways of life only important to the left when the ways of life are ones you folks approve of?

  • When Sarah Palin was Mayor of Wasilla, Alaska, the town's police department charged rape victims for their forensic testing.

    In a May, 2000 article, the Frontiersman reported:


    While the Alaska State Troopers and most municipal police agencies have covered the cost of exams, which cost between $300 to $1,200 apiece, the Wasilla police department does charge the victims of sexual assault for the tests.

    Wasilla Police Chief Charlie Fannon stated:


    "In the past we've charged the cost of exams to the victims insurance company when possible. I just don't want to see any more burden put on the taxpayer," Fannon said.

    Let's be clear: charging a person who has the strength to come forward after being sexually assaulted for their own examination isn't just insensitive, it is monstrous. And for victims to hear the Chief of Police say that he thinks it's right to charge the victim is horrifying.

    Now let's talk about Palin's executive responsibility on this issue. As a blogger on BitchPhD points out:


    One can only assume that she supported Wasilla's policy of billing rape victims for their own rape kits ... not only because Fannon was her appointee, but also because this was four years into her tenure as mayor and because, let's be honest: in a town of that size, the mayor doesn't get to plead ignorance of policies or public statements of her own chief of police.

    [...]


    Palin was willing to raise taxes to build a sports complex. Her police chief was unwilling to use public funds to investigate rapes.

    Thanks to Alternet....
  • Re: Some of the known's about GOP VP Pick

    Wed, September 10, 2008 - 1:45 PM
    *******1. She was mayor of a village, it's not a city, of 6500 people.*************

    This is bad how?


    *******2. She replaced the most hated Governor in Alaska history***************

    Was he?

    ************3. She fired the Public Safety Commissioner*****************

    A political appointment.

    *************4. She is suing the Dept of Interior to take the Polar Bears off the endanger species list.*************

    There are too god damned many of them~!! They don't belong on that list.

    **************5. She believe that creationism should be taught along side of evolution in Pubic Schools.********************

    Well, both are theories. One is a mystical theory and the other a secular theory. They are however both unproven and just things that people believe. You know::: Theories.

    ***********6. She hunts, areal wolf hunting, and fishes*************

    Ohhh horrible

    ***********7. She is an avid outback runner while pregnant******************

    Ohhh horrible

    ***********8. She is Dominionist**********

    Like the idiot left isn't?

    *************9. She is a beauty queen************

    "was" is I think the better word.


    ************10. She just finished John McCain's run for the white house. **************
    Finished?
    HA HA HA She is the party darling. The more the left shows it's hatred of her the more the base firms up and the more that right thinking people will rally around her.
  • Re: Some of the known's about GOP VP Pick

    Wed, September 10, 2008 - 3:34 PM
    "1. She was mayor of a village, it's not a city, of 6500 people. "

    She is also governor now. So we can ignore her subsequent greater accomplishments and should just focus on her previous lesser accomplishments? So is Obama unqualified for the presidency since he was once only a high school student? You're being ridiculous.

    "2. She replaced the most hated Governor in Alaska history "

    In the primary election, and then ran against a popular Democrat in the general election

    ""5. She believe that creationism should be taught along side of evolution in Pubic Schools. "

    She said that both views should be debated, but that creationism need not be taught. Why are you against the free discussion of ideas?

    "7. She is an avid outback runner while pregnant** "

    Another in the series of "Those mothers should stay home to take care of their kids" hypocritical sexist rants coming from the left

    "8. She is Dominionist*** "

    What is that and what's your source? Daily Kos?

    "10. She just finished John McCain's run for the white house. "

    I guess that's why he's soaring in the polls now. This is clearly one of the dumber wishful thinking predictions from the left

    Another thing about her: She took on her own party leadership and exposed their corruption, then took on the entrenched oil industry. Show me when Obama has ever challenged entrenched interests like that

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