Palin Guessgame is Over:

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"I am now looking ahead and how we can advance this country together with our values of less government intervention, greater energy independence, stronger national security, and much-needed fiscal restraint," she said.

There you go. She'd running for president.

And, she's spinning pretty hard by playing the victim: "How sad that Washington and the media will never understand; it's about country," the statement said. "And though it's honorable for countless others to leave their positions for a higher calling and without finishing a term, of course we know by now, for some reason a different standard applies for the decisions I make."

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  • Re: Palin Guessgame is Over:

    Sat, July 4, 2009 - 6:48 PM
    <<There you go. She'd running for president.

    And, she's spinning pretty hard by playing the victim: "How sad that Washington..>>

    I don't get how this 'Pity me, I am a victim, so vote for me as President.' act is supposed to convince anybody. Is it really prudent to find the most pathetic loser in the country, and put them in charge of running it? I suppose McCain might have played the victim card with his 'wounded war hero', but at least he could garner some sympathy as a former Vietnam veteran. Sarah Palin chose to play the vixen card instead "Look at these hooters, and vote for me!"

    Also, I don't see how you are interpreting her statement as a declaration of running for President. She is just telling you that she is looking at these issues. She has not even stated any intention of dealing with these issues herself. McCain may have been as dull as dishwater, but Sarah Palin was really the loose cannon that sunk the Republican ship. Even her own handlers admit that she was beyond control, so really who would ever support her Presidential nomination?
    • Re: Palin Guessgame is Over:

      Sat, July 4, 2009 - 6:56 PM
      <I don't get how this 'Pity me, I am a victim, so vote for me as President.' act is supposed to convince anybody.>

      Exactly, James. The thing is - it has WORKED for her, her whole life - so, she's only recreating her successful policies of her past. The problem though is that she's now in the big leagues, and this does not work EXCEPT for in her small world of sycophants and well-wishers.

      <Also, I don't see how you are interpreting her statement as a declaration of running for President.>

      Well, when someone says, "I am now looking ahead and how we can advance this country together with our values of less government intervention, greater energy independence, stronger national security, and much-needed fiscal restraint," that's her election platform, not just some general statements. In my opinion, at least.

      <Even her own handlers admit that she was beyond control, so really who would ever support her Presidential nomination?>

      When one is surrounded by yesmen, one starts believes what they say.


      • Re: Palin Guessgame is Over:

        Sat, July 4, 2009 - 7:30 PM
        <<Exactly, James. The thing is - it has WORKED for her, her whole life - so, she's only recreating her successful policies of her past. The problem though is that she's now in the big leagues, and this does not work EXCEPT for in her small world of sycophants and well-wishers. >>

        I don't buy it. "I'm a poor, pathetic loser, so make me Mayor, Governor, then President?" The victim act works quite well when it comes to shirking responsibility, but political leaders are the ones that we want to be able to accept responsibility. That's what makes them leaders.

        The sympathy victim act might work if you are handed responsibility and fumble the ball. "Oh, don't be so hard on Jack. His mother died this week." Once you drop the ball though, they put you on a less important part of the team. No one would suggest "Jack has been so down in the dumps since his Mother was killed by that drunk driver. Let's make his Quarterback. That should cheer him up!"

        <<that's her election platform, not just some general statements. In my opinion, at least. >>

        It's my opinion that they are just general statements, and nothing more. Pretty well anyone else on the face of the planet could say exactly the same thing that Sarah Palin did in that paragraph, and it would have absolutely no other meaning direct or inferred. Sarah Palin has already directly and publicly stated that she is out of politics forever.

        What's your opinion on this, Andrew?

        www.dailykostv.com/w/001897/


        <<When one is surrounded by yesmen, one starts believes what they say. >>

        Whatever Voodoo nonsense Sarah Palin believes is hardly relevant. The fact that her 'yes men' were screaming "NO!" at her is relevant. She is so clueless, and sticks her foot in her mouth so often that her handlers practically wanted to put a gag on her. She publicly and repeatedly made a fool of herself, then blamed the 'gotcha' media for having their microphones plugged in and their cameras rolling when she did. Somehow, she thought she was existing in some sort of parallel universe where you could run to be President without having to answer questions from the media.

        liberalvaluesblog.com/
        • Re: Palin Guessgame is Over:

          Sat, July 4, 2009 - 9:25 PM
          <What's your opinion on this, Andrew?>

          I think that I don't believe a word that she says.

          <She publicly and repeatedly made a fool of herself, then blamed the 'gotcha' media for having their microphones plugged in and their cameras rolling when she did.>

          I can't tell if you're disagreeing with me or agreeing with me, because that's exactly what I mean, when I said that about playing the victim.
          • Re: Palin Guessgame is Over:

            Sat, July 4, 2009 - 11:28 PM
            <What's your opinion on this, Andrew?>

            Andrew: I think that I don't believe a word that she says.

            James: I don't believe a word she says either, but quitting a job in the Political sphere while simultaneously plotting for the biggest plum on the tree is a contradiction. You don't become the star of the show by publicly giving up on your acting career. You don't quit your job as Governor, make a public statement which says "I am resigning from Politics forever" with the secret intention of running for the office of President four years from now.

            For one thing, who would support her? She has already undermined the confidence of those who voted her into office as Governor, expecting someone that would serve full term. She wouldn't listen to her advisers, and made a fool of herself in front of the media. She is a loose cannon. Even if she did do a 180 degree turnabout and decided to run for President, no one would even financially support her much less vote for her.

            <She publicly and repeatedly made a fool of herself, then blamed the 'gotcha' media for having their microphones plugged in and their cameras rolling when she did.>

            Andrew: I can't tell if you're disagreeing with me or agreeing with me, because that's exactly what I mean, when I said that about playing the victim.

            James: I agree with you about her tactic of playing the victim. I disagree with you when you seem to be stating that it is an effective strategy for being elected. In fact, blaming the media for her own gaffes is one of the many tactics she used which backfired on her. This is the media's job. This is what they are supposed to do, ask the tough questions and keep the cameras rolling.
            • Re: Palin Guessgame is Over:

              Sun, July 5, 2009 - 2:23 AM

              James, I have gone back and forth on this. At first, I thought that she would be gone, she knew that she's not going anywhere else in politics, so she just took her ball and went home.

              But...I really think that she has this megalomaniacal thing going on that is telling her that Jesus wants her to be president (or something), but she knows that if she's stuck in AK for the next few years, she won't be able to do what it'll take to build a national organization...

              I don't think that she's ready to fade back into obscurity.

              But, I sure hope that I'm wrong.

              Or, right. She'd be great to have to kick around in '12.
              • Re: Palin Guessgame is Over:

                Sun, July 5, 2009 - 11:10 AM
                <<I don't think that she's ready to fade back into obscurity.

                But, I sure hope that I'm wrong.

                Or, right. She'd be great to have to kick around in '12. >>

                Yeah, there is that Megalomania/ mental illness thing to consider. Look at it from this perspective though...
                Would you bet money on it? I don't mean sending me $20 through the mail if Sarah Palin runs.

                I mean let's say, a Great Uncle of yours had a swiss bank account he hid from the Nazis worth $20 million dollars, and he bequeaths it all to you. Suddenly, all your new buddies are Republicans willing to give you millions more to help them invest. You were smart enough to invest your money well and double it in the next year. You end up on the inside track of the GOP, and your Republican buddies are discussing who the next Presidential candidate should be.

                Sure, if you wanted Obama to be elected again you might choose Palin. The thing is, now you are part of the Republican inner circle and are expected to invest millions of your own money into a Republican candidate. It would be like a high stakes poker game at this point, double or nothing, and you would be ostracized if you walked from the table. Palin wants to run again, but the others seem reluctant to back her. If you decided to put up your $20 million, would you back Palin and why? What would be the real reason you would back her, and what would be the reason you told your new Republican friends?

                Really, that's the way I see it. The Presidential nomination is a horse race, and Sarah Palin is the long shot. From what we have been told, she has been put out to pasture. The minimum bet is a million dollars. Without that money, the horse never makes it to the qualifying gate. Can you really see anyone funding Sarah Palin's return from the pasture to run in the race, just so the USA can become the laughing stock of the world again for a moment? Don't you think the Republicans are going to want to win this time around in 2012?
                • Re: Palin Guessgame is Over:

                  Sun, July 5, 2009 - 2:55 PM
                  << Sure, if you wanted Obama to be elected again you might choose Palin. >>

                  If the election were being held tomorrow, sure. Give America another three years of inaction and misery and damn near anyone with a pulse will do to unhorse the Big O. This country *does* like to pull its idols down, as we see.

                  << It would be like a high stakes poker game at this point, double or nothing >>

                  Very true and the gambling metaphor is quite apt here.

                  << If you decided to put up your $20 million, would you back Palin and why? >>

                  1) You agree with what she says and find her bankable. 2) NONE of the other cash-money heavy boyz are ponying up, which gives you an enviable seat at her table should she win. 3) You're a gambler and gamblers like to play hunches and long shots.

                  << what would be the reason you told your new Republican friends? >>

                  You wouldn't have to tell them much, since most of them already think she has movement sex appeal. If they saw YOU (with your sagacious rep and deep pockets) put bank on her, they're liable to throw down bets too, just to be safe. Thus are odds lowered and a campaign fund is made.

                  << The Presidential nomination is a horse race, and Sarah Palin is the long shot. >>

                  Take any cold-eyed gambler looking at the board at Ladbrokes or Vegas. He sees odds of 8-1, even 20-1, on a familiar name and that's where he places his bet. Likely he hates his bookie even more than he might hate the GOP.

                  << Can you really see anyone funding Sarah Palin's return from the pasture to run in the race, just so the USA can become the laughing stock of the world again for a moment? Don't you think the Republicans are going to want to win this time around in 2012? >>

                  One word- Dubya.
    • Re: Palin Guessgame is Over:

      Sat, July 4, 2009 - 8:49 PM
      >> Is it really prudent to find the most pathetic loser in the country, and put them in charge of running it?

      It worked for Dubya, didn't it?
      • Re: Palin Guessgame is Over:

        Sat, July 4, 2009 - 11:39 PM
        >> Is it really prudent to find the most pathetic loser in the country, and put them in charge of running it?

        Forrest: It worked for Dubya, didn't it?

        James: Well, as I recall it Dubya wasn't trying to get our sympathy votes. Any reference to his 'averageness' was a kind of back spin to make the voting public think of him as 'jus' a regular guy', and that was only after he was elected. This element of 'Populism' will work with voters, who want to see a voter that reflects themselves. It even worked for Joseph Stalin, who the Russians called 'Uncle Joe'. Hobbling around on crutches and whimpering like Tiny Tim from a Christmas Carol might garner some sympathy, but rarely empathy from voters. The reason people select leaders in the first place is because they feel the need to have someone more competent than they are in positions of power, someone able to make stressful decisions and not buckle under pressure. Crying 'victim' and playing the blame game might work in grade school, but shouldn't be tolerated in the Oval Office.

        Also, I don't think that the world will tolerate another President similar to (or worse than) Dubya for a long, long time.
  • Re: Palin Guessgame is Over:

    Sat, July 4, 2009 - 7:00 PM

    run Sarah, run.


    and please, do get the nomination in 2012.


    (even Boss Limbaugh would probably have better chances of winning the GE.)
    • Re: Palin Guessgame is Over:

      Sat, July 4, 2009 - 7:32 PM
      No - it's about quitting the people you were sworn to serve and then pandering after an egregious, howsoever sickening self-involvement. In another time and place I'd have been provoked to use the "C" word, but know better now.
      • Re: Palin Guessgame is Over:

        Sat, July 4, 2009 - 8:26 PM
        If she will run in 2012 and would get the nomination...........i allready can see the slogans against her:

        " once a quitter always a quitter"
        "cut and run"
        "the kitchen was to hot in alaska......it is much hotter in DC"
        • Re: Palin Guessgame is Over:

          Sat, July 4, 2009 - 9:56 PM
          Hmm. I see she is furiously involved on a Facebook and a twitter site....
          • Re: Palin Guessgame is Over:

            Sun, July 5, 2009 - 12:11 AM
            I'm linking this to Jon's thread, since they seem to be related.

            uspolitics.tribe.net/thread/...83c438be
            • Re: Palin Guessgame is Over:

              Sun, July 5, 2009 - 2:28 AM
              i think palin would be much tougher than say romney or the other boring drones that are running. for the simple fact that she is a magnetic personality (to some; to me she is a bore). she appears to inspire blind hatred among democrats which is a good thing for her as she can ue it to her advantage. and she's interesting i suppose. she knows how to get attention. she has to spend the next 3 years learning that africa isn't a country and the like though.
              • Re: Palin Guessgame is Over:

                Sun, July 5, 2009 - 3:34 AM
                No - Romney's only real problem in terms of getting elected is that he's a Mormon.

                People like him - short of the Mormon albatross. He's smart, he's well spoken, he has a great resume...

                What does she have besides a small % of republicans that LOVE her? Nothing. Is she even smart enough to know what she's dumb about? No, she's be VERY easy to beat. No doubt. She's a minefield with a bad accent. No one of any intelligence will go near her, and the Reps are not stupid. Well...

                Anyway. She's be the easiest one of the 'top' Reps right now. 'Top' really is...well, who? Romney? Who else? Jindal?

                Then again, no one ever heard of Obama four years ago...
                • Re: Palin Guessgame is Over:

                  Sun, July 5, 2009 - 3:46 AM
                  Did you guys notice all that war rhetoric in her "speech?"
                  Where was that coming from?
                  All I heard was "Soldiers, soldiers, soldiers, MacArthur, war, war, war." It was a little creepy.
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                    Re: Palin Guessgame is Over:

                    Sun, July 5, 2009 - 4:12 PM
                    <Did you guys notice all that war rhetoric in her "speech?" Where was that coming from? All I heard was "Soldiers, soldiers, soldiers, MacArthur, war, war, war." It was a little creepy.>

                    Exactly. There's a reason for all of this tough-talk. She didn't just happen to say that for no reason...

                    <Would you bet money on it? I don't mean sending me $20 through the mail if Sarah Palin runs.>

                    I'd bet $20 that she INTENDS to work to run, whether she will or will not depends on elements outside of her own powers of ego.

                    <Actually, I've seen a lot of reasonable speculation that her goal isn't to be the next president, it's too be the next Rush Limbaugh.>

                    Ooooo. A GREAT point. Why run for president when one can make millions being oneself?

                • Re: Palin Guessgame is Over:

                  Sun, July 5, 2009 - 1:40 PM
                  << Romney's only real problem in terms of getting elected is that he's a Mormon >>

                  That paces FAR behind his having all the human warmth of the title character of "Weekend at Bernies".

                  << He's smart, he's well spoken, he has a great resume...>>

                  None of which helped in beating an open off-his-rollers whackjob like John McCain! Republicans, as we've seen innumerable times, don't CARE about shit like qualifications.
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                    Re: Palin Guessgame is Over:

                    Mon, July 6, 2009 - 8:53 AM
                    Wasn't Romney a Banker too? Seems like that is a bigger liability than being Mormon.

                    -troy
  • Re: Palin Guessgame is Over:

    Sun, July 5, 2009 - 1:17 PM
    <There you go. She'd running for president. >

    Actually, I've seen a lot of reasonable speculation that her goal isn't to be the next president, it's too be the next Rush Limbaugh.

    Face it, the king of hate radio is getting older and more incoherent all the time, and someone of his age who's that unhealthy could drop dead any day. The rightie propaganda machine needs folks who are as bg a draw and the Limbot to keep the misinformation flowing, or people might start actaully paying attention to the world around them, you know.

    As a full-time media personality of the rightie ilk, Palin would bear no responsibility for getting her facts straight or restraining herelf from the whole politics-of-personal-attack that she loathes when aimed at her but adores engaging. And she'd be totally insulated from any annoying engagements like the Couric interviews, but still have millions of adoring fans calling her up and exclaiming "You betcha, Sarah!"

    Really, it'd be the best of both worlds for her.
    • Re: Palin Guessgame is Over:

      Sun, July 5, 2009 - 2:42 PM
      Now she is threatening with legal actions against bloggers who are speculating over the reason she resigned.

      As speculation swirled that her decision was connected to a pending corruption investigation, Mrs Palin's lawyer issued a four-page letter warning legal action against bloggers and US publications that reprinted the allegations, which she strongly denies.

      "To the extent several websites ... are now claiming as 'fact' that Governor Palin resigned because she is 'under federal investigation' for embezzlement or other criminal wrongdoing, we will be exploring legal options this week to address such defamation," said Thomas Van Flein, her lawyer, in a statement.


      Maybe it would do her good the come out and say WHY Exactly she resigned ( i thinks she owes this to the Alaskans).........and not that creepy, strange, deranged resignation speech she held.
    • Re: Palin Guessgame is Over:

      Sun, July 5, 2009 - 5:24 PM

      <<her goal isn't to be the next president, it's too be the next Rush Limbaugh.>>

      that's certainly what it looks like.


      <<As a full-time media personality of the rightie ilk, Palin would bear no responsibility for getting her facts straight or restraining herelf from the whole politics-of-personal-attack that she loathes when aimed at her but adores engaging. And she'd be totally insulated from any annoying engagements like the Couric interviews, but still have millions of adoring fans calling her up and exclaiming "You betcha, Sarah!">>

      exactly. and don't forget about literally hundreds of millions of $$.

      for example,

      www.monstersandcritics.com/news...6.php

      Right wing radio host Rush Limbaugh signs 400 million dollar deal
      Jul 2, 2008, 23:45 GMT

      Los Angeles - The Democrats may be on the ascendancy on the national political scene but that hasn't stopped right wing radio talk show host Rush Limbaugh from signing an eight year syndication deal worth 400 million dollars.

      Limbaugh, 57, is one of the most controversial figures on the US airwaves and his deal with Clear Channel Communications is the second-largest ever for a radio personality, ranking behind Howard Stern's five-year agreement with Sirius Satellite Radio in 2004 that netted Stern more than 500 million dollars.

      According to the New York Times the deal pays Limbaugh 38 million dollars for eight years, plus a 100 million dollar signing bonus. The Rush Limbaugh show commands a weekly audience of nearly 20 million listeners on 600 stations, according to Premiere, which markets his program to stations and advertisers.

      Limbaugh's existing contract was worth 285 million dollars over nine years and was due to expire next year. According to the Los Angeles Times Limbaugh's annual salary will be more than the combined annual salaries of the four best paid news anchors on network television.
  • Re: Palin Guessgame is Over:

    Sun, July 5, 2009 - 6:14 PM
    "There you go. She'd running for president. "

    I doubt it. I'd be surprised if she got such bad advice as to recommend that she quit her executive position to run for an even more demanding executive position. It makes her look like a quitter.

    My bet is that the answer is much simpler: She got tired of the cost of being in politics being assholes taking potshots at her and her family, so she's leaving politics.
    • Re: Palin Guessgame is Over:

      Sun, July 5, 2009 - 6:50 PM
      <My bet is that the answer is much simpler: She got tired of the cost of being in politics being assholes taking potshots at her and her family, so she's leaving politics. >

      I guess Ron thinks Palin is a wuss then. God knows Hilary Clinton has endured far worse for years and years now. Too wussy to, y'know, finish the job she was elected to do. And the idea that she's tired of personal attacks after giving us months of "Obama pals around with terrorists" is ridiculuos - or it would be if we haven't already seen what a cluesless hypocrite she is.

      By the way Ron, if you actually listened to or read her speech, it's very clear she has no intention of leaving politics:

      <And there is such a need to BUILD up and FIGHT for our state and our country. I choose to FIGHT for it! And I'll work hard for others who still believe in free enterprise and smaller government; strong national security for our country and support for our troops; energy independence; and for those who will protect freedom and equality and LIFE... I'll work for and campaign for those PROUD to be American, and those who are INSPIRED by our ideals and won't deride them.

      I WILL support others who seek to serve, in or out of office, for the RIGHT reasons, and I don't care what party they're in or no party at all. Inside Alaska – or Outside Alaska.

      But I won’t do it from the Governor’s desk.

      I've never believed that I, nor anyone else, needs a title to do this - to make a difference... to HELP people. So I choose, for my State and my family, more "freedom" to progress, all the way around... so that Alaska may progress... I will not seek re-election as Governor...>


      • Re: Palin Guessgame is Over:

        Sun, July 5, 2009 - 11:09 PM
        "I guess Ron thinks Palin is a wuss then."

        Some people aren't cut out for the nastiness of politics. If you doesn't think it's worth putting her family through that crap, then who is anyone to criticize?

        "God knows Hilary Clinton has endured far worse for years and years now"

        Really? How often did people make jokes about people having sex with her daughter?

        "Too wussy to, y'know, finish the job she was elected to do"

        I agree. Unless she had some personal emergency, she should have finished off the term she was elected to do.

        "And the idea that she's tired of personal attacks after giving us months of "Obama pals around with terrorists" is ridiculuos"

        Obama was running for president, so attacks on his associations were and are legitimate. Palin's kids never chose to run for office.

        "I WILL support others who seek to serve"

        "others." Just because she's going to fight for other politicians doesn't mean she herself will continue seeking office. That's what I meant by leaving politics - leaving seeking office. She may end up being a commentator.
        • Re: Palin Guessgame is Over:

          Mon, July 6, 2009 - 9:37 AM
          << "And the idea that she's tired of personal attacks after giving us months of "Obama pals around with terrorists" is ridiculuos"

          Obama was running for president, so attacks on his associations were and are legitimate. >>

          Which means all lying and hysterical anyone may care to whip up is *fair*, right?
          • Re: Palin Guessgame is Over:

            Mon, July 6, 2009 - 12:08 PM
            "Which means all lying and hysterical anyone may care to whip up is *fair*, right?"

            Which means it's morally retarded to equate jumping on the personal life of a child of a politician just because you don't like the parent's politics with critiquing the political affiliations of someone who chose to run for president. Whether the critiques on the candidate are legitimate or not is a side issue; at least he chose to run for office and enter the nastiness of the political arena.
            • Re: Palin Guessgame is Over:

              Mon, July 6, 2009 - 12:56 PM
              <<it's morally retarded to equate jumping on the personal life of a child of a politician just because you don't like the parent's politics >>

              True.

              << critiquing the political affiliations of someone who chose to run for president. >>

              How do wholesale lying and manufactured hysteria count as "critiquing political affiliations"? Isn't this tactic morally slimy too?
              • Re: Palin Guessgame is Over:

                Mon, July 6, 2009 - 11:21 PM
                "How do wholesale lying and manufactured hysteria count as "critiquing political affiliations"? Isn't this tactic morally slimy too?"

                Yes, morally slimy, but how many political critiques are 100% accurate? Most made in the heat of a campaign are misleading to some degree. If someone is making an unfair charge against your candidate, then respond to the charge. Attacking their kids is not the proper response. Besides, the pile on on Palin's family started before she said a word about Obama, so it can hardly be construed as tit for tat.
                • Re: Palin Guessgame is Over:

                  Mon, July 6, 2009 - 11:28 PM
                  she quit to save the state money? because she said most lame duck governors just travel around the state and waste money? that is what she said. . .so it must be true. she had to quit because otherwise she would have traveled around the state and wasted the states money??

                  impressive. .
                • Re: Palin Guessgame is Over:

                  Tue, July 7, 2009 - 7:29 AM
                  << Besides, the pile on on Palin's family started before she said a word about Obama, so it can hardly be construed as tit for tat. >>

                  Both were retarded and hateful, but the latter was a calculated attempt to raise public hysteria over "terrorism". By my lights, that's worse, but everyone must find their own level of disgust.
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                    Re: Palin Guessgame is Over:

                    Tue, July 7, 2009 - 8:02 AM
                    <<<Anyone care to bet against my prediction:

                    She is getting her own Fox News show.

                    -troy>>> <<<Anyone care to bet against my prediction:

                    She is getting her own Fox News show.

                    -troy>>>

                    Awesome. I can hardly wait to see her new collection of Naughty Monkey pumps. :P
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                    Re: Palin Guessgame is Over:

                    Tue, July 7, 2009 - 8:39 AM
                    Again, at least the latter involved addressing a political issue to attack someone who chose to run for political office. Palin's kids didn't choose to run for anything.
                    • Re: Palin Guessgame is Over:

                      Tue, July 7, 2009 - 4:19 PM
                      <Palin's kids didn't choose to run for anything.>

                      She knew what the reality was of having kids in this environment. What is 'fair' has nothing to do with it. Reality trumps fair every time.
                      • Re: Palin Guessgame is Over:

                        Tue, July 7, 2009 - 9:33 PM
                        "She knew what the reality was of having kids in this environment."

                        Sorry, but before her, attacking the kids of a politician just because you didn't like the parent''s politics was considered out of bounds.
                        • Re: Palin Guessgame is Over:

                          Wed, July 8, 2009 - 3:34 AM
                          <Sorry, but before her, attacking the kids of a politician just because you didn't like the parent''s politics was considered out of bounds.>

                          Again, to deal with reality - this is no longer the case. Yes, Chelsea was not treated as badly in the MSM, but the Righties on their radio shows and in their print said some horrific shit about her.

                          Sorry Ron, the only difference is that this time it was David Letterman and a few other people bringing her kids into it.

                          Plus, the hypocrisy is just too much... A 'family values' candidate's minor daughter was getting rogered and then knocked up? Kinda calls her whole theory about...well, pretty much everything bullshit. Her kid getting knocked up is a PERFECT illustration for why the Reps don't deserve to be in power. It's all talk - reality does not work with their religious-based bullshit talking points.
                          • Re: Palin Guessgame is Over:

                            Wed, July 8, 2009 - 10:51 PM
                            "Sorry Ron, the only difference is that this time it was David Letterman and a few other people bringing her kids into it. "

                            In other words, mainstream media as opposed to extremists on the fringes who can always be counted on to cross the line. Big difference.

                            "Plus, the hypocrisy is just too much... A 'family values' candidate's minor daughter was getting rogered and then knocked up? "

                            This has been gone over before. It's a ludicrous charge. First of all, hypocrisy is " feigning to be what one is not or to believe what one does not" (Merriam-Webster). Given that it wasn't Sarah having premarital sex, and given that Palin was on record supporting not only abstinence but teaching kids about contraceptives, how exactly is SHE hypocritical because her daughter happens to ignore her Mom's wishes, have sex and get pregnant?

                            I have kids. So if my kids do something I think they shouldn't that makes ME a hypocrite? WTF?

                            And this is all supposed to justify piling on to the personal life of her kids?

                            Obscene
                            • Re: Palin Guessgame is Over:

                              Thu, July 9, 2009 - 3:34 AM
                              <I have kids. So if my kids do something I think they shouldn't that makes ME a hypocrite? WTF?>

                              It would make your life one big hypocritical joke if you speak out against sex ed, saying that it works all the while you know - in your own home - that it does not work. It's hypocritical to tell people to follow what you say while even in your own home your policies are obviously a failure.

                              <And this is all supposed to justify piling on to the personal life of her kids? Obscene>

                              Yes. It's obscene. That's why one should not get into this game with kids, because one KNOWS that the kids will be brought into it. It's like complaining that a soldier is harmed at war...
                        • Re: Palin Guessgame is Over:

                          Thu, July 9, 2009 - 9:41 AM
                          << Sorry, but before her, attacking the kids of a politician just because you didn't like the parent''s politics was considered out of bounds. >>

                          Certainly not by the Republican attack machine of the 1930s & 40s, who not only insulted FDR's family in extravagant terms, but even famously went after his dog! The latter attack occasioned THIS well-remembered sally-

                          << In a classic speech before the International Brotherhood of Teamsters, FDR belittled the Republican attacks on him. Recalling the charges from a Minnesota congressman who accused FDR of sending a battleship to Alaska to retrieve his dog Fala, FDR nearly chortled "These Republican leaders have not been content with attacks on me, or my wife, or my sons. No, not content with that they now include my little dog Fala. l, of course, I don't resent attacks, and my family don't resent attacks, but Fala does resent them." With his audience abuzz, FDR delivered his punch-line: "I am accustomed to hearing malicious falsehoods about myself . . . But I think I have a right to resent, to object to libelous statements about my dog." >>

                          millercenter.org/academic/...iography/3

                          Since Ron is one of the few actual readers of books in this dingbat-infested tribe, I commend to him Wolfskill's & Hudson's splendid study "All But the People; Franklin D. Roosevelt and His Critics, 1933-39".

                          Needless to say, FDR was reviled by the mainstream media in worse and more bitter terms than any 20th century president, with the possible exception of Clinton.
                          • Re: Palin Guessgame is Over:

                            Fri, July 10, 2009 - 9:09 AM
                            I tend to focus on more contemporary history. The rules of political etiquette were very different then. FDR's personal physical condition would also have been public today but it was considered off limits back then.
        • Re: Palin Guessgame is Over:

          Tue, July 7, 2009 - 5:49 AM
          <<<"God knows Hilary Clinton has endured far worse for years and years now"
          Really? How often did people make jokes about people having sex with her daughter?>>>

          C'mon even a good joke works better when it is at least plausible.
    • Re: Palin Guessgame is Over:

      Sun, July 5, 2009 - 7:25 PM
      <I doubt it. I'd be surprised if she got such bad advice as to recommend that she quit her executive position to run for an even more demanding executive position. It makes her look like a quitter.>

      A) By every bit of info that we've heard about her, she does not listen much to council that she disagrees with.
      B) I don't think that she really thinks through everything that she does/says, like all megalomaniacs - she'll do what she wants.

      <My bet is that the answer is much simpler: She got tired of the cost of being in politics being assholes taking potshots at her and her family, so she's leaving politics.>

      To do what? Be a talking head a'la Rush? That's from the frying pan into the fire, ain't it?

      Or, will she...what? What in the world will she do? Write a few books, make some money and then disappear from view? Really? No, I really doubt it, myself.
      • Re: Palin Guessgame is Over:

        Sun, July 5, 2009 - 11:11 PM

        "To do what? Be a talking head a'la Rush? That's from the frying pan into the fire, ain't it? "

        No. Talking heads don't have to worry about stepping on toes like politicians do, and the personal lives of talking heads generally is considered less significant.
    • Re: Palin Guessgame is Over:

      Wed, July 8, 2009 - 9:24 PM
      >My bet is that the answer is much simpler: She got tired of the cost of being in politics being assholes taking potshots at her and her family, so she's leaving politics.

      Ron, I agree.

      I don't think she's going to entirely rule out 2012, but if given the option of a book tour, speaking engagements and paid appearances versus being scrutinized as Gov of Alaska, I don't think its hard to see why she chose to hang it up. Especially with all of the people gunning for her on ethics violations.
  • Re: Palin Guessgame is Over:

    Thu, July 9, 2009 - 3:19 PM
    Whatever.

    When I think of important qualities for a U.S. President,
    how high on the list do you think 'possibly less ridiculous in reality than in jokes told about him/her'
    tends to rank?

    I'll give you a hint.

    It's right above 'ability to suppress a conniption fit in the face of hard, documented facts not to his/her favor'.
    • Re: Palin Guessgame is Over:

      Fri, July 10, 2009 - 2:39 AM
      "Levi Johnston talks about Palin's resignation"

      ANCHORAGE, Alaska – The former fiance of Gov. Sarah Palin's 18-year-old daughter says he thinks he knows why the Alaska governor is resigning — concerns over money.

      Levi Johnston, 19, whose wedding to Bristol Palin was called off earlier this year, says he believes the governor is resigning over personal finances.

      Johnston says he lived with the Palin family from early December to the second week in January. He claims he heard the governor several times say how nice it would be to take advantage of the lucrative deals that were being offered, including a reality show and a book.

      "I think the big deal was the book. That was millions of dollars," said Johnston, who has had a strained relationship with the family but now says things have improved.

      news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090...resignation

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