Lakota Sioux - The Bravest Americans

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And So It Begins

In an incredible irony, the very people that the United States have most oppressed throughout our history may hold the key to freedom for all of us.

Few Americans remember the siege at Wounded Knee in the mid-1970s, but perhaps they should. Members of the AIM, or the American Indian Movement, occupied parts of Pine Ridge in protest over the brutal killings of two of their own, the disgustingly mild prosecutions for those murders, and the beating of the mother of one of those two when she attempted to seek justice from the U.S. government. The AIM were seeking their rights under U.S. law and for the U.S. government to honor treaties with the American Indian that had been ignored for more than a century. It was a lawful - and a peaceful until attacked - protest.

In response, the FBI fired almost 200,000 rounds at the protesters (the protesters did fire weapons in their own defense, but only over their attackers' heads) in an illegal show of force that betrayed every ideal of real freedom. The siege at Wounded Knee lasted 71 days. This was Waco decades before Waco, largely ignored by the U.S. population due to media indifference and the fact that the victims were not white Americans.

Later, the defense team for Russell Means and Dennis Banks was infiltrated by a government informant, which led to perjured testimony and a very angry judge who stated that the government was more interested in convictions than in justice. South Dakota Judge Nichols was quoted as saying, "It's hard for me to believe that the FBI, which I have revered for so long, has stooped so low," and dismissed all charges against the defendants.

Apparently, all those years ago, at least a portion of our justice system still operated as it was designed to do.

Leonard Peltier was not so lucky. He was tried in North Dakota, and was sentenced to two consecutive life sentences in prison. He remains there today, even though evidence recovered after the siege clearly showed that the two FBI deaths were attributable to friendly fire. During his years in prison, through his art and letters, Peltier has continued to work for oppressed people everywhere.

Russell Means has remained free, and he has not been idle in the intervening decades. A committed libertarian, he has written several books, run for office on the Libertarian ticket, and continued to pursue a film career that has made him a household face and name. Apart from that, he has bided his time, waiting for just the right moment in history.

That moment has come. In September of this year, the United Nations passed a non-binding Resolution on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples. Naturally, Canada, the United States and Australia refused to sign, but this resolution paved the way for a move that has been waiting in the wings, so to speak, since the 1970s.

On Wednesday of this week, Russell Means led a delegation of the Lakota Sioux people to the U.S. State Department and the embassies of Bolivia, Chile, South Africa and Venezuela, declaring their secession from the United States of America.

Means stated, "We are no longer citizens of the United States of America and all those who live in the five-state area that encompasses our country are free to join us." The lands of the Lakota Sioux encompass portions of Nebraska, North Dakota, South Dakota, Wyoming and Montana. In the coming weeks, they will take their diplomatic mission overseas to seek further support.

Means also stated that anyone willing to renounce their U.S. citizenship would live on Lakota land tax free, and that the Lakota would issue their own passports and driving licenses. Since a large group of libertarians have recently moved to Wyoming, this opens up some interesting possibilities for a free society growing up in our midst.

The coming road will not be an easy one. I cannot see the U.S. neo-conservatives leaving this alone. I imagine that there will be another bloody and vicious siege taking place on Lakota land, but I also believe that Means has timed his move correctly. If this happens as I fear it will, the neo-conservatives will be the clear authors of their own destruction. The American people have had enough!

You go, Russell!! You are the bravest and best of us, and the sanest and best of America stands with you in the trials you will face over the coming months and years.
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Kathryn A. Graham, author of Flight From Eden and America Hijacked!.

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  • Re: Lakota Sioux - The Bravest Americans

    Sat, December 22, 2007 - 12:20 PM
    Unfortunately for them all they have are empty words.

    They are on the reservation subsequent to them agreeing to the terms of the treaties. Failure to hold to those terms means the government can re-take the land and force them to take one of three options: Leave the country immigrating to some other nation; immigrate to another reservation that hasn't violated it's treaties, or join mainstream society and become full US citizens.

    The notion that they can remain on the reservation and thumb their noses at the US government is entirely laughable.

    They can talk all the big talk they want they can announce that they are sovereign all day and night but, they better not break the terms of the treaties. I imagine that the Government will be immensely tolerant of all manner of hanky panky. After all shutting down the Res would be a very loud event.

    As far as the UN resolutions and that crap from Vienna - - it's is without meaning. It is utterly worthless shit. The UN is not an authority. Never has been never will be. The UN resolutions are empty words, nothing more.


    • Re: Lakota Sioux - The Bravest Americans

      Sat, December 22, 2007 - 12:53 PM
      words are the building blocks of all thought to action

      and shamb......the words i posted are words from a levon helm song.......and seem appropriate in this instance...

      cliffy is right they will try and shut them down

      and aim will need that type of help if they take their words to action
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      Re: Lakota Sioux - The Bravest Americans

      Sat, December 22, 2007 - 1:06 PM
      The notion that they can remain on the reservation and thumb their noses at the US government is entirely laughable.
      ---------------------------------------------------

      Some US Government officials in Washington are not laughing because many foreign governments are monitoring this story closely and acknowledge the legal rights of the Lakota Sioux

      Putin Threatens Recognition of Breakaway US Lakota Sioux Indian Tribe

      "Reports circulating in the Kremlin today state that an enraged President Putin has ordered Russian Foreign Ministry Officials to begin the processes needed for Russia to recognize the Lakota Sioux Indian Tribe as an independent Nation, and who have now broken away from the United States by renouncing their treaties with their occupiers, and as we can read as reported by the AFP News Service.."

      "Russian legal experts further state that of all of the United States Indian Tribes, the Lakota Sioux are the best positioned to have their declaration of independence from the American government recognized by the United Nations as they remain the only indigenous peoples in the US to have refused to accept payment for their lands, estimated to be nearly $1 billion, which they consider their ‘sacred grounds’ and have stated they would never relinquish..."

      www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1057.htm
      • Re: Lakota Sioux - The Bravest Americans

        Sat, December 22, 2007 - 6:04 PM
        ************and acknowledge the legal rights of the Lakota Sioux **************

        Just saying the words "legal rights " does nothing to create any such. There are in fact, no rights of any sort other than those found in the US Constitution. There is no other law applicable other than US law. It's a fun game the uninformed love to play but when all is said and done the fact is that this is the USA and it does not need to bend the knee to any other anywhere for any reason - ever. Not other entity's have laws or rules that can reach the USA. None.

        The lakota need to refer to the treaties they executed . There really is nothing else for them unless they want to quit the Res and join the rest of America.
  • Re: Lakota Sioux - The Bravest Americans

    Sat, December 22, 2007 - 2:56 PM
    Thank you very much for this post, Shambhala.

    This is the most positive news I've heard in this country for years ...
    Provides some real hope ...

    I've noticed with some mixed feelings that the Native Americans and their immense wisdom are pemanently ignored in this country - even by otherwise liberals. Almost nobody seems to notice that many elements of the American constitution (not many seem to really care about anyway) have their roots in the philosophies of the Native Americans, Thomas Jefferson was very enthusiastic about.
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      Sat, December 22, 2007 - 5:14 PM
      "Means also stated that anyone willing to renounce their U.S. citizenship would live on Lakota land tax free, and that the Lakota would issue their own passports and driving licenses. Since a large group of libertarians have recently moved to Wyoming, this opens up some interesting possibilities for a free society growing up in our midst...."
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      Andre,

      Contrary to what critics have suggested about this declaration as being nothing more than a "PR gimmick" by Russell Means and associates,
      there's some real substance behind this story. It involves MUCH more than just some breakaway faction on an Indian reservation. Think "libertarian, pro-constitutional, independent" types in a 5 state region who tell Uncle Sam with ONE voice "Fuck Off".

      Could be the start of something good......
      • Re: Lakota Sioux - The Bravest Americans

        Sat, December 22, 2007 - 5:22 PM
        If a block of the United States was prepared to secede from the Union, I would pack my bags and move there to be part of it. Violence should be an option limited to self defense however. If I was under attack, of course I would defend myself, before allowing myself to be captured or occupied even. However, I would advise against violence as a preferred tactic.
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          Sat, December 22, 2007 - 5:39 PM
          Everytime AIM was accused of advocating violence in the past, it turned out to be disinformation and/or "agent provocateur" ops being controlled by the feds. No official of AIM has ever advocated violence and certainly not the violent overthrow of the US government.

          The Lakota Sioux Nation is in fact a "semi-autonomous" sovereign nation with very strong legal claims to the land - claims they have NEVER sold to the US government. The natural law of self-defense is not a priviledge - it's a right every human possesses and should be exercised with great care.

          As long as the entire International community is watching, the US government will avoid another "Wounded Knee" or "Waco" type massacre.

          Think "Information Warfare."
          • Re: Lakota Sioux - The Bravest Americans

            Sat, December 22, 2007 - 5:51 PM
            Self defense should not arbitrarily be thrown in under the general theme of "violence". Everyone has the right to self defense. What should be avoided is violence against civilians, or violence as a form of coercion. There are better ways to bring attention to your cause.
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            Re: Lakota Sioux - The Bravest Americans

            Sat, December 22, 2007 - 6:01 PM

            wow. let's just hope that Blackwater doesn't get sent in.

            (Russel Means has a somewhat controversial reputation within the AIM itself, as far as i know, btw...)

            • Re: Lakota Sioux - The Bravest Americans

              Sat, December 22, 2007 - 6:05 PM
              ************wow. let's just hope that Blackwater doesn't get sent in. ***********

              Too late. I got the call this afternoon to suit up and be prepared for a preemptive strike.
              The rumor among my squad is that we are to eat the women and children
              • Re: Lakota Sioux - The Bravest Americans

                Sat, December 22, 2007 - 6:30 PM
                what, no rape of small fury animals?
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                  Re: Lakota Sioux - The Bravest Americans

                  Sat, December 22, 2007 - 6:56 PM
                  Self defense should not arbitrarily be thrown in under the general theme of "violence". Everyone has the right to self defense. What should be avoided is violence against civilians, or violence as a form of coercion. There are better ways to bring attention to your cause...
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                  I don't recall advocating any violence whatsoever nor am I affiliated with AIM so exactly what "cause" are you referring to ?

                  As for violence, perhaps you should address a post to these nutcases from "Blackwater Merc, Inc" who just posted some terrorist threats in this thread. I won't report them to the feds, but you can.....
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    Re: Lakota Sioux - The Bravest Americans

    Sun, December 23, 2007 - 10:11 PM
    Flawed Attempts to Debunk Secession Abound
    eeng.net/CS/blogs/smil...2/23/1036.aspx

    This is NOT Means' gig.

    The four member Lakota delegation traveled to Washington D.C. culminating years of internal discussion among treaty representatives of the various Lakota communities. Delegation members included well known activist and actor Russell Means, Women of All Red Nations (WARN) founder Phyllis Young, Oglala Lakota Strong Heart Society leader Duane Martin Sr., and Garry Rowland, Leader Chief Big Foot Riders. Means, Rowland, Martin Sr. were all members of the 1973 Wounded Knee takeover.

    No tribal government has stepped up to debunk this.

    If there were a reputable voice anywhere that could be summoned to discredit this, then you can bet your bottom dollar that it would be coming out; the national security state would see to it. The idea that someone can secede with that much territory from the United States is not one that those in power can afford to have spread. Much smaller efforts than this but of similar nature have been crushed immediately with tanks and helicopters, among other things, indicating that the U.S. government believes that ANY such effort is a threat.

    Organizations and non-organized progressive outfits all over the world, and especially in America, are merely sitting back to see how this pans out and this lack of taking a stand may be what kills it. The media-military complex, I assure you, intends to ignore this and wait for the novelty of this particular news item to wear off but rest assured that potential plans to disrupt, intimidate, and even take out key people regarding all of this are in progress.

    I can’t believe, to tell you the truth, that in this day and age I have to explain to people (as I have done for days at a variety of forums online) that sitting back and being a spectator in all of this will end up functioning as complicity with the undoing of this movement. They are taking the lead and the only media people or groups expressing solidarity, except for the considerable din of collective individuals online, are from other nations.

    Of course this is typical. After all we sit fat in our own retirement-nation. If we just sit back and watch, forfeiting involvement, we ensure the continuation of the status quo.

    I think too many of us think this is too good to be true and are looking for that, “Oh yeah…that’s the flaw!” It unburdens us from acting. Let us all sit and do nothing, including as many of the Lakota as can be convinced to do just that, and then marvel at how right we were that it didn’t materialize into anything. It’s called a self-fulfilling prophecy.

    Key facts regarding all of this:

    1. This is not a rumor; Putin has even chimed in on the side of the Lakota! The president of Bolivia has said that nation is intensely interested in this and Hugo Chavez has expressed solidarity. The Bush junta says it "opposes the measure."

    2. The four member Lakota delegation traveled to Washington D.C. culminating years of internal discussion among treaty representatives of the various Lakota communities. Delegation members included well known activist and actor Russell Means, Women of All Red Nations (WARN) founder Phyllis Young, Oglala Lakota Strong Heart Society leader Duane Martin Sr., and Garry Rowland, Leader Chief Big Foot Riders. Means, Rowland, Martin Sr. were all members of the 1973 Wounded Knee takeover.

    3. “We have 33 treaties with the United States that they have not lived by. They continue to take our land, our water, our children,” Phyllis Young, who helped organize the first international conference on indigenous rights in Geneva in 1977, told the news conference.

    4. Russian legal experts further state that of all of the United States Indian Tribes, the Lakota Sioux are the best positioned to have their declaration of independence from the American government recognized by the United Nations as they remain the only indigenous peoples in the US to have refused to accept payment for their lands, estimated to be nearly $1 billion, which they consider their ‘sacred grounds’ and have stated they would never relinquish.

    afp.google.com/article/AL...2LwZc9HyAgA

    www.upi.com/NewsTrack/To...from_us/3796/

    www.foxnews.com/story/0,29...548,00.html

    www.indymedia.org/en/2007/1...8423.shtml

    Many insist Russel Means does not represent the Lakota but in each case, these people refuse to address the fact that this is not Russel Means' gig but that there are four spokespeople that say they've met with many people for years about all of this and foreign heads of state are taking this very seriously.

    My understanding is that it is Lakota tradition dictates that no one speaks for the people yet if we are to say that it is legitimate for representatives of the Lakota to sign such treaties, then it is legitimate for representatives to nullify and if it is the representation itself that is being deemed illegitimate then that, in itself, nullifies all the treaties.

    Incidentally, Means will always speak more accurately for the TARGETED among the indigenous, i.e. those attempting to retain their culture and not become fully colonized, than will any tribal council or any other outfit that answers to the Bureau of Indian Affairs. This is a call to action.

    I EXPECT some or many tribal councils to challenge this, as do all that have struggled against the oppressor. Its importance is directly proportional to the corruption that is the prerequisite for being in league with the United States government. You accept its dictates and that is where the power of most of these councils come from. I know there are Indians all over that might want to hit me on the head with a bat for that one but it is precisely such people whose opinions I am not interested in.

    Oh, by the way, in the heart of Lakota country, this is in the big papers. In other words, any attempt to verify just how "official" is this statement representing vast sentiment, this declaration of independence, may become irrelevant as the whole countryside, including those in Rapid City, starts talking about this - and they are!
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      Re: Lakota Sioux - The Bravest Americans

      Sun, December 23, 2007 - 11:05 PM
      Steven,

      Yeah, I've been in touch with some Oglala/Lakota Sioux Indians on the Rez who claim to be "in the loop." They aren't happy with this media exposure 'cause it threatens the "status quo" within the official leadership structure of the Lakota Sioux Nation.

      The US government have been playing these rival factions against each other for decades. They play rough and the dangers are REAL.

      It's imperative that the International community / press monitor this situation closely. These poor folks have no protection and most of them are dirt poor. Say a prayer for them and spread the word.

      ''We will prove to every American that America is becoming one big Indian reservation,'' said Mr. Means, who contends that non-Indians face the same danger of losing their land and their rights that Indians have faced for centuries.

      ''I challenge every American to make a list of what they feel their individual rights are, and then, item by item, find out how much government is interfering with those rights,'' he said. ''I have been trying to throw off the yoke of government interference in our lives since I joined the American Indian Movement.''

      - Russell Means, Oglala/Lakota Sioux Indian

      people.tribe.net/5a776152-...fcd7c04d58
    • Re: Lakota Sioux - The Bravest Americans

      Mon, December 24, 2007 - 10:16 AM
      *************If there were a reputable voice anywhere that could be summoned to discredit this, then you can bet your bottom dollar that it would be coming out; the national security state would see to it. The idea that someone can secede with that much territory from the United States is not one that those in power can afford to have spread. Much smaller efforts than this but of similar nature have been crushed immediately with tanks and helicopters, among other things, indicating that the U.S. government believes that ANY such effort is a threat. *******

      Geebus Steven get real. The idea is meaningless. It's action that would give rise to unpleasantness.

      Look you stand up in some park in CA somewhere and shout all about how you re a sovereign and you are taking California out of the union and you do it day after day.
      And see what it gets you.
      Nothing but a sore throat.

      Then contrast that to trying to actually do it.

      I submit for your evaluation and examination the American Civil War.

      It's just not going to happen pal.
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        Re: Lakota Sioux - The Bravest Americans

        Mon, December 24, 2007 - 10:48 AM
        ********** what, no rape of small fury animals?*********

        Oh mouse fucking is de rigeur. Gotta fuk a mouse.
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        Let me guess, pathetic posts like that are from the Deutsche Verteidigungs Dienst (DVD), Dachau-Munich (Black Nazi Intel Continuum) faction
        on tribe.net ?

        Their mottto is "Für uns der Krieg nicht beendet" (For us the war never ended) and "Auf der Asche Haufen von Amerika wir bauen die tausend Jahre Reich" (Upon the ash heap of Amerika we shall build the thousand year Reich)

        Black Water Mercs, Inc. , killing women and children, fucking furry animals ?

        Here’s the best part: since I’m “in on the joke,” I know the people who are giving you dear, sweet babes-in-khaki idealists a jamming space are just Blackwater grill-a-burger slick-toy mercenaries like the bullet-headed “double-highs” getting new night-vision goggles after they corn-holed their neighbors for “disrespecting” their power. Too fucking funny. Yeah, I’m a cynic. We’re the ones who see the joke, but are not playing the joke. Cynics: play/ see. You “idealists” just do not get it - yet.

        Oh- “True Believers?”

        You ARE the fooking joke.....
        • Re: Lakota Sioux - The Bravest Americans

          Mon, December 24, 2007 - 11:11 AM
          No it was in response to some one asking rather directly about sex with small furry things.

          Stick that in your uninformed arrogant ignorant self righteous pipe and smoke it.


          And happy Christmass.
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            Re: Lakota Sioux - The Bravest Americans

            Mon, December 24, 2007 - 11:33 AM
            ************wow. let's just hope that Blackwater doesn't get sent in. ***********

            Too late. I got the call this afternoon to suit up and be prepared for a preemptive strike.
            The rumor among my squad is that we are to eat the women and children
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            Obviously, you're insane. bitch

            • Re: Lakota Sioux - The Bravest Americans

              Mon, December 24, 2007 - 11:39 AM
              **********Obviously, you're insane. bitch *************

              Well if you say so then it must be so.

              Happy Christmass~!!
              • Re: Lakota Sioux - The Bravest Americans

                Mon, December 24, 2007 - 2:07 PM
                whats so funny about an oppressed people standing up and saying

                its my fucking life.....leave your charity and your benovelence with your phony ass jeeeesus bs

                aim wants peace for their people and yours.....and they dont want our "help" anymore
                can you blame them....
                i applaud them
                even if cliff is right......its a pipe dream wish

                and if enough peoples want to make this their pursuit of happiness......and our govt hasnt abided by the treaties they signed...
                why would this not be legal

                its still a dream
                how can aim be helped out with this endeavor????



                • Re: Lakota Sioux - The Bravest Americans

                  Mon, December 24, 2007 - 5:05 PM
                  <hand if enough peoples want to make this their pursuit of happiness......and our govt hasnt abided by the treaties they signed...why would this not be legal>

                  You're kidding, right? Please tell me that this question was rhetorical......
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                    Re: Lakota Sioux - The Bravest Americans

                    Tue, December 25, 2007 - 11:51 AM
                    the question is what law applies and what the treaties said''we are supposedly a nation of laws

                    so when acontract is breached,,,......a treaty..............what is the remedy?

                    surely by nowm you realize laiws are what courts intepret them to bae

                    and you auto pre`suppose aim has no case to argue
                • Re: Lakota Sioux - The Bravest Americans

                  Wed, December 26, 2007 - 7:25 AM
                  ************whats so funny about an oppressed people************

                  Who the hell is oppressing any one? this is such a pile of crap ~!!

                  ********standing up and saying
                  its my fucking life.....leave your charity and your benovelence with your phony ass jeeeesus bs*********

                  Good then let them have their lives let them go into the world and stop taking the charity and welfare and get a job l like the rest of the country. If they want to live on the Res taking government money that's fine. There aren't any other options for them.


                  ***********aim wants peace for their people and yours.....and they dont want our "help" anymore can you blame them....i applaud them*************

                  They can always refuse government money.

                  *********even if cliff is right......its a pipe dream wish**********

                  What is not a pipe dream is that they could go to schools learn how to run businesses and send their kids to engineering schools and just become an economic force in their own right making products in Indian factories on the Res and selling them to the rest of the nation.
                  They could probably get grants for lots of it too. There is nothing stopping them from securing their own futures.

                  *******and if enough peoples want to make this their pursuit of happiness......and our govt hasnt abided by the treaties they signed...
                  why would this not be legal************

                  They'd have to sue the USA in Fed Court and make their case that the treaties were violated. The most likely result would be the courts would enforce the treaty and not dissolve them. That's if they indeed proved their case.

                  **********its still a dream
                  how can aim be helped out with this endeavor????************

                  Raise money for a lawsuit. It really is the only way forward.

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