John Lenin: a man who was clearly another radical leftist said the following:
"If someone thinks that love and peace is a cliche that must have been left behind in the Sixties, that's his problem. Love and peace are eternal."
"Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives. I think we're being run by maniacs for maniacal ends and I think I'm liable to be put away as insane for expressing that. That's what's insane about it. "
"You either get tired fighting for peace, or you die."
"We all have Hitler in us, but we also have love and peace. So why not give peace a chance for once?"
Neocondi, listen to the man. He would be ASHAMED of you! You're a pig! Try giving peace a chance for once instead of your inner Bushitler?
"If someone thinks that love and peace is a cliche that must have been left behind in the Sixties, that's his problem. Love and peace are eternal."
"Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives. I think we're being run by maniacs for maniacal ends and I think I'm liable to be put away as insane for expressing that. That's what's insane about it. "
"You either get tired fighting for peace, or you die."
"We all have Hitler in us, but we also have love and peace. So why not give peace a chance for once?"
Neocondi, listen to the man. He would be ASHAMED of you! You're a pig! Try giving peace a chance for once instead of your inner Bushitler?
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Re: john lennon proves my point
Sun, October 28, 2007 - 9:58 AMI agree cDub..but Ohh that TYPO! "Lenin" LOL!...Oooops! -
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Re: john lennon proves my point
Sun, October 28, 2007 - 10:07 AMall that blather from lennon was said in the 60s and early 70s. he left the left behind in his later years. he saw and experienced the deep phoniness. catch up with the times, lefties" lennon did. -
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Re: john lennon proves my point
Sun, October 28, 2007 - 10:31 AM<<he saw and experienced the deep phoniness. catch up with the times, lefties" lennon did.>>
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Re: john lennon proves my point
Sun, October 28, 2007 - 10:32 AMYeah where are the quotes where he spouted neocon lies?
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Re: john lennon proves my point
Sun, October 28, 2007 - 10:36 AM"he left the left behind in his later years. he saw and experienced the deep phoniness."
Ahhh no. Not by a long shot. YOU ARE MAKING THAT UP.
Anything to be right.
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Re: john lennon proves my point
Sun, October 28, 2007 - 12:46 PMHe and Yoko were authority-loathing, far left, love-loving peaceniks to the bitter end.
Seth can't reconcile his Beatles love with his neocon religion. He can't see that both can exist.
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Re: john lennon proves my point
Sun, October 28, 2007 - 2:00 PM<He and Yoko were authority-loathing, far left, love-loving peaceniks to the bitter end. >
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Re: john lennon proves my point
Sun, October 28, 2007 - 3:16 PMyeah, funny thing though sethy, Lennon was plugged full of holes by mark david chapman so it's a bit difficult for him to be the "authority-loathing, far left, love-loving peacenik" these days.
Isn't it almost time for a Taylor Dane "comeback"?
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Re: john lennon proves my point
Sun, October 28, 2007 - 3:41 PM>keyword: "were"
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Re: john lennon proves my point
Sun, October 28, 2007 - 5:00 PM<<Er, he died. What, you're down to arguing that his ghost is at the CATO Institute?>>
Lennon was obviously the inspiration for PNAC...
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Re: john lennon proves my point
Sun, October 28, 2007 - 4:50 PMLennon was plugged full of holes by mark david chapman>>>
mark david chapman (may he rot in hell) A right wing Christian asshole nut job. Just the kind of guy you would love Sethypoo
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Re: Seth SPEAKS WITH THE DEAD!
Sun, October 28, 2007 - 4:49 PM<He and Yoko were authority-loathing, far left, love-loving peaceniks to the bitter end. >
keyword: "were"
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So your saying you talked to John after he died then? Ok Miss Cleo. <<rolls eyes>>
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Re: john lennon proves my point
Sun, October 28, 2007 - 4:47 PMall that blather from lennon was said in the 60s and early 70s. he left the left behind in his later years. he saw and experienced the deep phoniness. catch up with the times, lefties" lennon did
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Such bullshit from the master of bullshit. This prove how insane you really are.
I have read allmost every interview by the man up untill death and NOTHING he said comes close to this.
LINK OR STFU !
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Re: john lennon proves my point
Sun, October 28, 2007 - 5:51 PMyeah put up or shut up.
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Re: john lennon proves my point
Sun, October 28, 2007 - 2:07 PM
"John Lenin", LOL~! 10 points to cDub. ;)
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US VERSUS JOHN LENNON
Sun, October 28, 2007 - 6:39 PM
someone just sent me this link (good timing, it's a full length movie btw):
www.moviesfoundonline.com/us_vs...on.php
The U.S. vs. John Lennon (2006)
"A documentary on the life of John Lennon, with a focus on the time in his life when he transformed from a musician into an antiwar activist." -imdb.com -
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Re: US VERSUS JOHN LENNON
Sun, October 28, 2007 - 6:56 PMthis thread has got to be hurting the sith. -
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Re: US VERSUS JOHN LENNON
Sun, October 28, 2007 - 6:59 PMcan't (yet) tell you how i know what i've stated is 101 % true, but it really is folks. you'll know next year. -
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Re: US VERSUS JOHN LENNON
Sun, October 28, 2007 - 7:08 PMso you are hinting that you have some secret diaries or smoking gun?
"diary of a neocon: the secret lennon files"
our intrepid former hippy leftist discusses his hatred for welfare queens and admiration for ronnie raygun's promise to pulverize all the brown people in existence. meets with editorial board of commentary magazine for a secret pow-wow to plan the new amerikkkan century.
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Re: US VERSUS JOHN LENNON
Sun, October 28, 2007 - 8:23 PMLennon 1980
"She (Yoko) inspired all this creation in me. It wasn't that she inspired the songs; she inspired me. The statement in 'Revolution' was mine. The lyrics stand today. It's STILL my feeling about politics. I want to see the plan. That is what I used to say to Abbie Hoffman and Jerry Rubin. Count me out if it is for violence. "
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Re: Last interview
Sun, October 28, 2007 - 8:25 PMLENNON: "It's not a new message: 'Give Peace a Chance'-- we're not being unreasonable, just saying, 'Give it a chance.' With 'Imagine,' we're saying, 'Can you imagine a world without countries or religions?' It's the same message over and over. And it's positive."
world without countries or religions
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Re: Last interview
Sun, October 28, 2007 - 10:10 PM<world without countries or religions
cant get more "Left" then that>
I agree, but he changed his thinking '77-'80. it happens to many people as they get older: they have more to protect (children) and they become more conservatove. this is what happened to lennon. simply stated, he just grew up. -
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Re: Last interview
Sun, October 28, 2007 - 10:15 PMlook, john lennon was a great inspiration to many people for many reasons. so, let's take a break from this debate' to enjoy the great lennon:
www.youtube.com/watch
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Re: Last interview
Mon, October 29, 2007 - 1:12 AMDude take some fiber, because all the shit that's stuck up inside you will eventually cause a stroke or something.
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Re: Last interview
Mon, October 29, 2007 - 9:16 AM<world without countries or religions
cant get more "Left" then that>
I agree, but he changed his thinking '77-'80. it happens to many people as they get older: they have more to protect (children) and they become more conservatove. this is what happened to lennon. simply stated, he just grew up. \
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These are not 70'squotes Seth. These quotes came in 1980. Not long prior to his death. There was no drastic change of heart Seth.
The thing is (my I suggest you read the 1980 playboy inteview) John himself said that as people the beatles don't matter. Only the music. He did not want people to get cought up on him. So you can love his music and not give a shit about his politics. Thats the way he wanted it. You should respect that. -
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Re: Last interview
Mon, October 29, 2007 - 9:23 AM<There was no drastic change of heart Seth. >
I know how painful this must be for y'all but it's true. As John would say "and so dear friends, you'll just have to carry on, the dream is over."
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Re: Last interview
Mon, October 29, 2007 - 9:45 AM"God is a Concept by which
we measure our pain
I'll say it again
God is a Concept by which
we measure our pain
I don't believe in magic
I don't believe in I-ching
I don't believe in Bible
I don't believe in Tarot
I don't believe in Hitler
I don't believe in Jesus
I don't believe in Kennedy
I don't believe in Buddha
I don't believe in Mantra
I don't believe in Gita
I don't believe in Yoga
I don't believe in Kings
I don't believe in Elvis
I don't believe in Zimmerman
I don't believe in Beatles
I just believe in me...and that reality
The dream is over
What can I say?
the Dream is Over
Yesterday
I was the Dreamweaver
But now I'm reborn
I was the Walrus
But now I'm John
and so dear friends
you'll just have to carry on
The Dream is over"
Nitiwit--the 'dream ' he was referring to was the peace-love 60s which he wanted scuttled for the activist, John Sinclair-eque 70s.
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Re: Last interview
Mon, October 29, 2007 - 9:50 AMIn short, he became more radicalized in a Leftie way.
Then the dope and fucking around got to be too much and he returned to the Yoko womb.
His last act was extreme left politics as personal act: the Rolling Stone cover photo of him curled naked, like a baby, around Yoko, which is, you might say, somewhat against the fuck-em-and-impregnate-em rightie use of female objects. Pure John; vulnerable, in your face, and fully aware he'd piss people off.
Except Seth, who can't seem to graps even the simplest things beyond Right/good, Left/Bad and I love the Beatles and I'm love Bush so therefore John was a budding neocon.
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Re: Last interview
Mon, October 29, 2007 - 10:26 AMits very sad Ian, that he would need to reshape his hero in his own image. If effect that is why Jhon died, a fan wanted John to be HIS image of of a Beatle. So badly he was willing to kill him over it. All in the name of Jesus. -
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Re: Last interview
Mon, October 29, 2007 - 3:26 PM<its very sad Ian, that he would need to reshape his hero in his own image. >
Holy shit. You just so succinctly explained what Seth's issue is.
He HAS to do this, because otherwise, how in the world could Seth continue to idolize/lionize Lennon if Lennon was a Lefty? -
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Re: Last interview
Mon, October 29, 2007 - 7:49 PMAnd there is the truly hilarious reality: his idol personifies everything he says he hates.
I'll leave it to the armchair psychiatrists to draw any conclusions as to what THAT means.
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Re: Last interview
Tue, October 30, 2007 - 12:24 AM>>The thing is (my I suggest you read the 1980 playboy inteview) <<
Penthouse, actually (or was there also a Playboy one? never saw it). It's the one with Vanessa William's crown-wrecking spread as well (I kinda think she's ugly in it; that's just me). -
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Re: Last interview
Wed, October 31, 2007 - 8:26 PMJust google it... it's playboy
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Re: Last interview
Wed, October 31, 2007 - 9:47 PMthe guy seems like a narcissist to me.
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Re: US VERSUS JOHN LENNON
Sun, October 28, 2007 - 8:26 PMLINKS to PROVE your Point Seth!
Or go back under the rock you crawled out from!
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Re: US VERSUS JOHN LENNON
Sun, October 28, 2007 - 10:48 PMSeth was in a boyscout troop headed by John Lennon, in which he was decorated several times for things like learning to kill a full-grown goat with his bare hands and stand at attention for 72 hours while being pelted with rocks and bottles.
When Seth's blindfold came loose halfway through the 20 storey forward repel, he tried to use his non-rope hand to put the blindfold back on and the unstrapped M-60 he was holding in that hand discharged one round. Lennon immediately pulled Seth to the top of the tower, knocked out 2 of his teeth, cut off the kid's clothing in under 15 seconds in subzero weather with a utility knife and sent him, crying, down a zipline into a trench filled with human excrement with the instruction 'you can quit when I say you can quit'.
That John Lennon never quite looked right with a buzzcut or a garland of 'gook' ears across his rippling chest covered in gothic-lettered Nietzsche quotation tattoos, but he was as hard as they come. Just ask anyone who was there. Ask Seth. -
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Re: JOHN LENNON KICKED CHUCK NORRIS'S STUPID ASS ON THREE SEPARATE OCCASIONS
Sun, October 28, 2007 - 11:19 PMI had no idea Seth was in any way connected to that favorite old tale. Some of us conservative-style anarchists like to get together and swap grizzled late-era Lennon stories, and that one comes up every now and then. To learn the shit-diver was someone I tribe with is exciting to say the least.
I can't do it (yet) for various reasons, but within a few months look for a downloadable gif of a video showing John Lennon swinging off of an overpass from a rescue line, kicking through the windshield of a VW minibus, taking out both the driver and the front seat passenger with his boots while spraying the back of the bus with rounds from his sidearm, kicking out the back windows, jumping clear, and landing ON HIS FEET while the bus (full of commies) careens through a guardrail and explodes in the ditch below. Fucking fantastic stuff. Makes all that "apache strike" desert-rat footage look like the pansy-coward-boy-pushing-buttons shite it truly is.
I'd have to disagree with Box Man's opinion about the cut, though - I think short hair really suited him - those famous round shades go from being a quaint signature to a kind of hellish annihilation of his living soul, allowing him to access his Inner Warrior and temporarily exist outside the confines of normal mortal existence. He was powerful in all ways.
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Re: JOHN LENNON KICKED CHUCK NORRIS'S STUPID ASS ON THREE SEPARATE OCCASIONS
Mon, October 29, 2007 - 12:05 AMEr--it was 1979/80. After punk, beginning of new wave.
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Re: JOHN LENNON KICKED CHUCK NORRIS'S STUPID ASS ON THREE SEPARATE OCCASIONS
Mon, October 29, 2007 - 12:17 AMRush's paramilitary adventures are largely regarded as disgraceful, though. -
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Re: JOHN LENNON KICKED CHUCK NORRIS'S STUPID ASS ON THREE SEPARATE OCCASIONS
Mon, October 29, 2007 - 4:20 AMIts a little-known fact that Rush is actually a super double secret agent (double dog dare classification) who runs paramilitary ops all throughout Latin America securing oxycontin and hookers from multiple nations. all for the glory of the Fatherland, of course.
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The lessons of Lennon
Sun, October 28, 2007 - 11:01 PMHow about the "Lesson of Lennon", Seth?
What do you think was the lesson that John Lennon wanted to teach to each of us was? Give War a chance?
Do you really think that perhaps all of those hippies were protesting in FAVOR of the Vietnam war?
Perhaps you are telling us that John Lennon became a conservative before he was assassinated?
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Re: The lessons of Lennon
Mon, October 29, 2007 - 1:17 AMLennon's ultimate message was that all of society's problems could be solved through the treatment of the lead deficiency epidemic by administration of mass remote injections.
I loved Mr. Bungle's cover of Lennon's song 'Love is a Fist', but Lennon would probably have dismissed it as filthy limp-wristed hippie nonsense.
There wasn't much room left in him for a sense of humor after he burned the deadwood out of his mind, singlehandedly collecting the bounties on all those central African tribal warlords.
Seth came away from even one day under that guy's tutelage lucky ever to be able to look his own reflection in the eye and not collapse from an overwhelming sense of identity betrayal and personal inadequacy. Lennon could not only look straight through your head at what makes you tick. He could spit-shine your proverbial clock face from the inside and make your gears run backwards with one hard word.
The Lennon that the other Beatles always saw deep down and never dared acknowledge was the Lennon that Seth and I saw. He was a man utterly priapic in his need to get his dick wet by poking it into the dark at the end of the tunnel. When Lennon looked into the Abyss, the Abyss blinked, and Lennon knew he had a new bitch. When I asked him what he thought of the Sheen/Brando thing at the end of Apocalypse now, he showed me a video of blind orphans in Bangladesh skinning live kittens and he jerked off right there in front of me... twice. -
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Re: The lessons of Lennon
Mon, October 29, 2007 - 1:23 AMWhy are we debating a troll who only exists to get a rise out of people. My suspicion is that he doesnt even believe this shit himself. -
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Re: The lessons of Lennon
Mon, October 29, 2007 - 1:35 AM
Sent, relax. no one is "debating". the whole premise (Lennon as a war-monger) is hilarious.
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