voting taxes

topic posted Tue, June 3, 2008 - 11:24 PM by  Gerbil
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i was talking with a buddy of mine about his father, a stauch republican, and why, if he disagrees with every single policy that bush has out there, then why does he keep voting republican?

his answer:

"taxes"

he also said that his father believes that voting YOUR interests, not the greater good's interest, is your prerogative.
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Gerbil
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  • Re: voting taxes

    Tue, June 3, 2008 - 11:32 PM
    <he also said that his father believes that voting YOUR interests, not the greater good's interest, is your prerogative.>

    perhaps your friend could ask his father about his grandchildren's interests. taxation is occuring, and on a massive scale, on the income of future generations.
    • Re: voting taxes

      Tue, June 3, 2008 - 11:36 PM
      he knows about it. he thinks about it. he's worked his ass off for 30+ plus years, just got laid off, yet he's still a republican. you know why? because he still holds the ideal that his money is his and that that is HIS way of bettering his children's and grandchildren's life. i mean, i don't agree with it, but it's a tempting argument. he's basically saying, "i can use my money more wisely than the government ever could so i'm going to vote to keep my money". it makes sense in some cases and is absolutely cockamamie in others.
    • Re: voting taxes

      Tue, June 3, 2008 - 11:38 PM
      in the history of the country, when have the boom times come? in the 20th century, how many democrat and republican presidents were there respectively? more republicans. maybe their policies didn't exactly make everyone rich but the overall direction of economic policy has made the capitalists extremely happy and those who lean socialist unhappy.
  • Re: voting taxes

    Wed, June 4, 2008 - 7:56 PM
    Club for Growth scores in GOP primaries
    By: Josh Kraushaar
    June 4, 2008 05:35 PM EST
    dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm
    The conservative, anti-tax Club for Growth had a big night Tuesday, as the two candidates it endorsed and funded prevailed in hotly contested Republican primaries in New Mexico and California.

    In New Mexico, Rep. Steve Pearce narrowly won the Republican primary for retiring GOP Sen. Pete V. Domenici’s seat, defeating his more moderate opponent, Rep. Heather Wilson, 51 percent to 49 percent.

    Pearce benefited from running as an unapologetic conservative in a low-turnout Republican primary — and received key assistance from the Club for Growth’s political action committee, which spent $600,000 on ads attacking Wilson as a tax-hiker.

    “Club for Growth members are proud to have supported an economic conservative like Steve Pearce in his primary win,” Club for Growth President Pat Toomey said in a statement.

    Pearce will now face Democratic Rep. Tom Udall in the general election. An automated SurveyUSA poll conducted immediately before the primary showed Pearce trailing Udall by 24 percentage points — 60 percent to 36 percent — at the beginning of the fall campaign.

    Democrats wasted no time trying to define Pearce as a candidate beholden to oil and energy interests.

    “Steve Pearce took more than $500,000 from the oil and gas industry and then voted to give them $14 billion in tax breaks and subsidies while opposing plans to lower gas prices for consumers,” said Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee spokesman Matt Miller.

    In California, another club-backed candidate, conservative state Sen. Tom McClintock, easily prevailed over former Rep. Doug Ose in the Republican primary to succeed retiring Rep. John Doolittle.

    McClintock won by a comfortable 15-point margin, 54 percent to 39 percent, despite facing a $4 million barrage of attack ads from Ose, portraying him as a carpetbagger who lived outside the district.

    McClintock is a well-known conservative icon throughout the state, and while in the Legislature, he has been a vocal opponent of tax increases and wasteful government spending.

    “This election has been watched across the country as a bellwether over the future direction of our party — and ultimately of our nation,” McClintock said in his victory remarks. “Let the word go forth from the 4th Congressional District of California that, tonight, voters spoke unmistakably: They want to restore our traditional principles of constitutional government.”

    McClintock will face retired Air Force officer Charlie Brown (D) in the general election. Brown held the scandal-plagued Doolittle to 49 percent of the vote in 2006, and his campaign just released internal polling showing him with a narrow lead over McClintock.

    The northeastern California district is, however, one of the most conservative in the state; it gave President Bush 61 percent of the vote in 2004.

    Other Tuesday results:

    • Down ballot in New Mexico, the stage is now set for two competitive House races. In Rep. Heather Wilson’s House seat, Bernalillo County Sheriff Darren White (R), one of the top Republican congressional recruits, will be facing Albuquerque City Councilor Martin Heinrich (D) in the general election.

    The Albuquerque-based 1st District has leaned Democratic at the presidential level, but has never elected a Democrat to Congress.

    Democrats believe they have a shot at an upset in Pearce’s expansive, Republican-leaning district. Oil services company owner Harry Teague, who can self-finance a campaign, narrowly defeated a more-liberal challenger, Dona Ana County Commissioner Bill McCamley, 53 percent to 47 percent.

    Teague will be facing restaurateur Ed Tinsley, who won 31 percent of the vote in a five-way Republican primary.

    Udall is likely to be succeeded in the House by Public Regulation Commission Chairman Ben R. Lujan, who dispatched a well-funded primary challenge from real estate developer Don Wiviott, 41 percent to 27 percent.

    Lujan, the son of state House Speaker Ben Lujan, was the establishment favorite and won a key late endorsement from Gov. Bill Richardson.

    • In New Jersey, Sen. Frank R. Lautenberg (D) easily fended off a primary challenge from Democratic Rep. Robert Andrews, 58 percent to 36 percent.

    The campaign was highly contentious. Andrews criticized the 84-year-old Lautenberg, arguing he was too old to be effective in the Senate for another term. Lautenberg responded by accusing Andrews of supporting the Iraq war and voting for parts of former House Speaker Newt Gingrich’s Contract with America.

    But the race ended up being more of a geographic referendum. Lautenberg led Andrews by 40-point to 55-point margins throughout much of central and northern New Jersey — where he received favorable placement on the primary ballot. That was more than enough to counteract Andrews’ strong showing in his southern New Jersey home base.

    Lautenberg will now face former Rep. Dick Zimmer (R-N.J.) in the general election.

    The battle lines are also now set for a pair of competitive House races in the Garden State, in the districts of retiring GOP Reps. Jim Saxton and Mike Ferguson.

    State Senate Minority Leader Leonard Lance won the Republican primary for Ferguson’s seat and will face Democratic state Sen. Linda Stender.

    Lance easily outdistanced Kate Whitman, the daughter of former New Jersey Gov. Christine Todd Whitman, and four other candidates in the Republican primary.

    Stender holds an early financial advantage: Without primary opposition, she banked $913,000 in her campaign account in mid-May, while Lance’s primary contest left him with about $191,000 cash on hand.

    In Saxton’s seat, Lockheed Martin executive Chris Myers will be facing well-funded state Sen. John Adler in the general election. Adler is one of the Democrats’ top fundraisers, with more than $1.1 million in his campaign account, while Myers reported just $74,000 at the last filing period.

    • The two contested Republican primaries in Alabama will be heading to runoff elections. In the race to succeed retiring Rep. Terry Everett (R), restaurateur Jay Love, who largely self-financed his campaign, won 35 percent of the vote but fell well short of the 50 percent necessary to win the nomination outright.

    He will face state Sen. Harri Anne Smith, who finished second with 22 percent of the vote in a July 15 runoff election.

    The winner will face Montgomery, Ala., Mayor Bobby Bright (D), who faced only nominal opposition in his own primary. Bright is one of the Democrats’ leading recruits, and they believe his culturally conservative profile can help him compete in a district that has been inhospitable to Democratic candidates in recent years.

    In retiring Democratic Rep. Bud Cramer’s district, insurance broker Wayne Parker fell just short of winning the Republican nomination and will face attorney Cheryl Baswell Guthrie in a runoff election. The winner will face state Sen. Parker Griffith, who handily won the Democratic nomination.

    • In Iowa, Rep. Leonard Boswell (D) handily defeated a more liberal Democratic primary rival, former state Rep. Ed Fallon, 61 percent to 39 percent and is now poised to win reelection to Congress for a seventh term.

    © 2008 Capitol News Company, LLC
    • Re: voting taxes

      Wed, June 4, 2008 - 11:27 PM
      <<McClintock won by a comfortable 15-point margin, 54 percent to 39 percent, despite facing a $4 million barrage of attack ads from Ose, portraying him as a carpetbagger who lived outside the district.>>

      Odd. McClintock is from Thousand Oaks (a suburb of Los Angeles). The California 4th is nearly 400 miles away. He's a drown_government_in_the _bathtub type. The reason the GOP is so weak in California, it's dominated by these types. Funny he has to go so far a field to get elected.
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    Re: voting taxes

    Wed, June 4, 2008 - 10:53 PM
    This looks interesting - excerpt from taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_...ohns.html

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