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Note;this comes from the republican side...
edchoate.townhall.com/g/cd49f...96b069a6
Why conservative christians are cowards.
Dear Pastor,
My name is Ed Choate and I am running as an independent conservative Christian for the office of US senate for the state of TN.
edchoate.townhall.com/g/cd49f...96b069a6
Why conservative christians are cowards.
Dear Pastor,
My name is Ed Choate and I am running as an independent conservative Christian for the office of US senate for the state of TN.
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Re: Conservative Christians are cowards
Sun, January 28, 2007 - 6:49 PMHow about letting the idiot son of the worst president we ever had steal two election, and steal billions of dollars through profiteering in an illegal war. And, still doing nothing even though they control both the house and the senate, wait, I am sorry that's the Demotards!! -
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Sun, January 28, 2007 - 7:45 PMConservative Christians have always BEEN "Cowardly" It is a Coward's actions to become a Slave to a Belief in an unseen Entity and to mold your very existence around this Entity. It's purely EVIL to infiltrate a Government with ANY "Religiously Driven Agenda" because not every person living under that Government believes in what a Christian believes in.
In short...go back and Hide under your OWN Religious Rock and leave your Religion out of OUR Government.
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Mon, January 29, 2007 - 11:46 AM<How about letting the idiot son of the worst president we ever had steal two election, and steal billions of dollars through profiteering in an illegal war. And, still doing nothing even though they control both the house and the senate, wait, I am sorry that's the Demotards!! >
I posted this in the republitards thread, I don't know how ended up here, tribe took a shit! -
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Mon, January 29, 2007 - 10:38 PMThere shouldn't be "ANY" Representation of the Christian Right or ANY "Other Religion" in the Senate or any Other branch of U.S. Politics why?
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Mon, January 29, 2007 - 11:51 PM<<There shouldn't be "ANY" Representation of the Christian Right or ANY "Other Religion" in the Senate or any Other branch of U.S. Politics why?
VERY SIMPLE: "Not ALL Americans are Christians". >>
Yeah that's true. The church and the state must be kept seperate and government must remain secular.
I wonder why there are no 'fringe parties' in American politics. Those that run outside of the two traditional parties typically run as an 'independant', like this Fundy joker. I suppose that the green party is an 'up and coming' third party.
I suppose it has something to do with campaign money. Also, why do you need to belong to a party at all to be the Senator of a State? You can just follow your own agenda.
Also, I remember a third candidate running for President while George Bush and John Kerry were running. I forgot his name, but this guy shouldered a lot of blame for 'taking votes' away from Kerry so that George Bush won (stole) the (s)election again. I wonder what would have happened if there were FIVE candidates running for the office of President? This would certainly be more democratic.
Personally, I can see the Republican party splitting over George Bush and co. I can see this happening now. I wonder in the future if there will be TWO Republican parties, one a more centrist version and one a more right wing version? The centrists will attempt to distance themselves from Bush and Iraq, while the traditionalists will be supportive of the actions of the Bush Administration. Otherwise, I wonder what the heck the Republicans will be running on in the next election?
Of course, this WILL split the right wing vote.
A lot of people seemed to think that Kerry would have made a better President than Bush, even though his agenda seemed the same as Bush (To win the war in Iraq), and he went to the same 'skull and crossbones' society as Bush. I even think that they are distant cousins. They both listen to the needs of their corporate benefactors, and ignore the wishes of the people that put them into office 'instead of that other guy'.
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Tue, January 30, 2007 - 6:33 PMThere shouldn't be "ANY" Representation of the Christian Right or ANY "Other Religion" in the Senate or any Other branch of U.S. Politics why?
VERY SIMPLE: "Not ALL Americans are Christians".
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So what your saying is only non Christians should have Representation?
hmmmm
I guess its a good thing Anti Christian, Atheist, Fascist Homosexuals don't run the country then. -
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Tue, January 30, 2007 - 7:37 PM<<There shouldn't be "ANY" Representation of the Christian Right or ANY "Other Religion" in the Senate or any Other branch of U.S. Politics why?
VERY SIMPLE: "Not ALL Americans are Christians". >>
>>So what your saying is only non Christians should have Representation?
hmmmm ...
I guess its a good thing Anti Christian, Atheist, Fascist Homosexuals don't run the country then. <<
Well, obviously I can't speak for Jake and what his opinion is on this any more than I can for anyone else. However, the way that I interpreted what he said was that the Church and the State must remain seperate. There is no place for religion in politics.
However, even if you aren't a Christian yourself you obviously can't stop a Christian (Moslem, etc.) for running for office on a platform of Christian (Moslem) principles.
Atheists and agnostics might oppose this of course, but they certainly can't stop it. Especially not in a democratic country where everyone has the freedom of speech & religion. After all, you can't stop a Marxist-Leninist from running for office either, no matter how this might infuriate some people.
Many countries in Europe have political parties that run solely based on Religious ideology. For example, Germany has the 'Christian Conservative Party'. I also beleive that Isreal (a secular democracy) does as well. I don't know if this is necessarily 'better' or 'worse', but at least Christians know who to vote for, and that their vote will be represented. The Christians that voted for the Republican party are now seeing the Republican party turn their backs on them, despite the fact that the Christian 'Moral majority' were their core supporters.
It seems that at least one Christian has seen fit to abandon the Republican party altogether, and to run as an independant. What if this man were elected to governor of the state based on his platform of 'Christian principles?'
Would this make the state that he represents radically different from the rest of the United States? Would Christians start moving to that state, while 'non-Christians' started moving out? Would creationism become a mandatory course requirement in schools, and homosexuality a criminal offence punishable by law? Would the television broadcasts and newspapers of that state become censored to reflect a 'Christian worldview?'
It would be interesting for me to see this happen. I think it would make the United States a very different place than the place it is today. Would most of the hard-core Christian fundamentalists move to this state, or perhaps other govenors would follow suit? This might even be the beginnings of another attempt at cessation from the Union, (although I'm not sure how this would work). Perhaps another civil war. Perhaps another American revolutionary war.
Maybe other U.S. States would follow, with the 'ultra-left' states and the 'ultra-right' states breaking away from the Union to form their own countries. I understand that California has about the same population as Canada. I have also heard that Texas does not beleive in 'out-of-state' banking.
Or, perhaps we will start seeing more political parties to choose from in the future. Instead of two people running for the office of President, there might be five.
There's the Marxist-Leninist candidate, the Green Party, the Democrats, the Republicans, and the Christian Heritage party on the extreme right.
Isn't this more democratic than the current 'Left or Right, Black or White, one and a half party system?'
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Wed, January 31, 2007 - 8:46 PMShasta
you know very well what the meaning of my reply was!
All TOO often you Religious Types being Blinded By Your Faith can't see the damage that interfacing Politics with Religion has done to make a MESS out of our Government.
Politics is supposed to be NON PARTISENT. Running a Government based upon ANY Religious Doctrine is not keeping a singular Idea of "what" Morality is seperate.
Bush is using his "Christian Doctrine" to FUCK UP America one such outragious example and WHY Religion and Politics should NEVER Mix was when at a Prayer Breakfast IN the White House he said "God Told Me To Attack Iraq"!
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Wed, January 31, 2007 - 8:59 PMWell Jake, with any luck there will never be another Christian in the white house again.
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Wed, January 31, 2007 - 10:39 PMWait. You think Bush H. W. is the worst president we ever had? Worse than his son? Bush H.W. is friggin Abe Lincoln compared to his son.
But shrub stealing billions from war profiteering? Huh? What you talking bout Willis?
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Sun, January 28, 2007 - 8:31 PMI find it odd (but not surprising) that Ed Choate beleives that there isn't enough representation of the Christian right in Senate. As far as I can tell, the Republicans in the Senate have swung far to the religious right. However, I also understand that this Christian 'power base' that put Bush and the Republicans in office are now feeling as though they have been let down, betrayed and used.
Yet which party to turn to? If both the Republicans and Democrats have let you down, is your only option to run as an independant? I wonder if I will ever see the US Political system evolve out of the 'Two party system' and into a system where there are many parties to choose from? I don't know if this would make it better or worse, but it would certainly make it more democratic. I can also sense a growing frustration in the United States between having to choose from 'Idiot #1' or 'Idiot #2'. Not to mention the splinter groups of 'left-wing Republicans', or 'Right-wing Democrats', etc. Could the Republican party concievably split along party lines into two new parties?
I know that in many countries in Europe there are 'Christian Conservative Parties', and sometimes 'Christian Socialist Parties', not to mention of course the other parties such as the 'Marxist-Leninist Party' at the other extreme. This makes voting much more interesting, not to mention the heated debates on the Parliament floors. Right-wing Christians can vote for their candidate and might obtain a few seats in the house, and thus be able to push forward their agenda, the same would be true for the Green party, etc.