how many years in a row do I have to read the same story???
thehill.com/leading-the-...07-10-26.html
the problem here is that the democrats truly DO NOT stand for anything. its all about getting elected to them. the rethugs, in contrast, truly do believe in 0% taxation for the monied classes, the War On Everything, corporate hegemony, etc.
thehill.com/leading-the-...07-10-26.html
the problem here is that the democrats truly DO NOT stand for anything. its all about getting elected to them. the rethugs, in contrast, truly do believe in 0% taxation for the monied classes, the War On Everything, corporate hegemony, etc.
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Re: democrats = hopeless
Sat, October 27, 2007 - 6:17 PMYep. Most of those fuckers voted FOR the war because it was politically incorrect to do so in the post 9/11 climate of patriotic hysteria.
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Re: democrats = hopeless
Sat, October 27, 2007 - 6:44 PMscrew them. if we're doomed to be some kind of fascist police state corporatocracy, no way i'm going to support their fake bullshit on the way down.
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Re: democrats = hopeless
Sat, October 27, 2007 - 9:27 PMChomsky ?
to late
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Sat, October 27, 2007 - 10:57 PM<America is all ready in Zionists hands>
...I just got back from OUR secret meeting....
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Re: democrats = hopeless
Sun, October 28, 2007 - 7:37 PM<its all about getting elected to them.>
As it should be to you.
The next pres will probably seat THREE supreme court justices. THREE.
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Re: democrats = hopeless
Sun, October 28, 2007 - 7:45 PMI think this democratic congress and senate are great.
If anyone can get a republican elected president it's them.
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Re: democrats = hopeless
Sun, October 28, 2007 - 8:36 PMthe american people don't take chances on the presidency when don't feel on solid footing defemse-wise. we were never ging to elect michael dukakis in the modst of the cold war. we were never going to re-elect carterafter the soviets entered afghanistan and iran took our hosatges.
the only reason bill clinto was elected was because we had won the cold war and we didn't face any immediate threats. it took a third party candidate ross perot to win 19 per cent of the vote to get clnton elected--but people were only willing to take that chance because they felt safe.
we do not feel safe now -- which means, no hillary.
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Sat, October 27, 2007 - 8:52 PMParsing Cdubs post:
<the problem here is that the democrats truly DO NOT stand for anything.>
YES! Exactly what i've insisted for years.
< its all about getting elected to them.>
Yes! It's all and only about Power--nothing else. it's why they are constantly bullshi**ing the groups they need to elect them.
<the rethugs, in contrast, truly do believe in 0% taxation for the monied classes>
it's not for the monied classes--it's for growth for all classes--there's a reason that middle class people have a few flat screens and take 2 vacations a year, all boats rise with less taxes and you know it.
<the War On Everything>
really? as i recall, Vietnam was started by JFK' we went inot WWI under Woodrow Wilson and into WWII under FDR --all dems.
<corporate hegemony, etc.>
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Re: democrats = hopeless
Sat, October 27, 2007 - 9:40 PMThe trickle down theory is just what it sounds like, rich people pissing on poor people.
And Vietnam was started by the French at the end of WWII, though the US paid 80% of the costs. Back to the corner for you, and please face the wall so you don't distract the students that are actually here to learn something.
Really, John Lennon would be so ashamed of you Seth. He'd probably burn your copy of the White Album himself.
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Sat, October 27, 2007 - 10:05 PM>Um, millions work for corporations and thus, um...feed there families.
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Sat, October 27, 2007 - 10:15 PM>>So therefore virtually all public policy should be controlled by corporations (as it is now)? Really?<<
Policy? We should be *praying* to these new gods. They don't *have* to give us a sliver of pie for working in the company store, you know. It's a kindness they do us. We'd do well to thank them for it at every opportunity.
Don't forget: "They didn't have to give us anything. Songs in praise of Them we'll all sing." -
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Sat, October 27, 2007 - 10:28 PM"They don't *have* to give us a sliver of pie for working in the company store, you know."
Apparently you're right. From the Domino's Pizza page on Wiki (in the "Controversies") section:
"Workers at one franchise are victims of "modern-day slavery", according to union T&G Unite, with money unlawfully deducted from the workers' pay sometimes leaving workers being paid nothing. Some of the deductions made by the company included the costs of insuring the cars used to deliver pizzas, and one worker was deducted all her wages for the first week of work because the franchise designated it "unpaid training"." -
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Sat, October 27, 2007 - 10:35 PMI'm just grateful to Jesus that some Mexicans didn't get those worthy positions. -
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Re: dominos = indigestible
Sat, October 27, 2007 - 10:56 PM<<Really, John Lennon would be so ashamed of you Seth. He'd probably burn your copy of the White Album himself.>
Actually, not: Lennon had morphed into a conservative in the last years of his life. Flakey s*it like "Give Peace A Chance" was not where he was at as he matured and realized the world wasn't about cute, iefective slogans , but, strong leaders who wanted to defend freedom. -
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Re: dominos = indigestible
Sat, October 27, 2007 - 11:06 PMAha! So you say John Lennon would be a neocon now!
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Re: dominos = indigestible
Sat, October 27, 2007 - 11:40 PM<Aha! So you say John Lennon would be a neocon now! >
not necessarily a neocon, but DEFINITELY a conservative. So, would another famous liberal, John F. Kennedy. So, would Martin Luther King Jr. I say this not to be provocative. JFK was for a muscular defense of FREEDOM all over the world. A defense of freedom. MLK wanted people to treated fairly NOT based on color --in short, NO to affirmative action. I could list other reasons, but suffice it to say, the left has distorted who their icons were. They were my icons as well and they never would ally themselves with the selfish, stupid and irresponsible nuts of todays democratic party.
lennon would never have voted for kerry (lennon thought jimmy carter was an idiot and he really liked ronald reagan who he had met on a few occasions). in 08, I feel very sure he would have voted for giuliani, having seen what an incredible job he did in nyc, his (lennon's) adopted city. -
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Re: dominos = indigestible
Sat, October 27, 2007 - 11:47 PMYou're daft and cruel to the dead.
Lenon was a near-anarchist who loathed The Church and war and Authority in all guises and dedicated his life's work to their demolition.
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Re: dominos = indigestible
Sat, October 27, 2007 - 11:50 PM<Lenon was a near-anarchist who loathed The Church and war and Authority in all guises and dedicated his life's work to their demolition. >
and then, in the late 70s, he GREW UP, realized the "peace, love and understanding" bunch were a bunch of airheads with NO SOLUTIONS so he left his radicalism behind and never looked back. sorry to burst your bubble but this is the truth. -
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Re: dominos = indigestible
Sun, October 28, 2007 - 10:07 AMYou are as delusional as you are retarded. Just because you say something doesn't make it true.... show me one scrap of evidence.
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Sun, October 28, 2007 - 8:07 PMseth you might have gotten ahold of proof that john lennon was a neocon. but lets just get rid of the MLK was a conservative bullshit mmkay?
i mean, all you have to do is read his speeches from late in his life, the poor people's march, etc. if anything he was getting progressively MORE LIBERAL. anyone who isn't a complete liar or moron will know this after looking at the man's history.
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Sat, October 27, 2007 - 11:14 PMwell certainly there are other sixties types who went square. iirc jerry rubin eneded up as a stock broker!
and lots of neocons are former troskyites etc. but i don't think know much about john lennon...maybe he could have went further left and changed the way he spelled his name to lenin ;)
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Re: dominos = indigestible
Sun, October 28, 2007 - 10:36 AMwww.geocities.com/~beatlebo....int3.html
PLAYBOY: "What is the Eighties' dream to you, John?"
LENNON: Well, you make your own dream. That's the Beatles' story, isn't it? That's Yoko's story. That's what I'm saying now. Produce your own dream. If you want to save Peru, go save Peru. It's quite possible to do anything, but not to put it on the leaders and the parking meters. Don't expect Jimmy Carter or Ronald Reagan or John Lennon or Yoko Ono or Bob Dylan or Jesus Christ to come and do it for you. You have to do it yourself. That's what the great masters and mistresses have been saying ever since time began. They can point the way, leave signposts and little instructions in various books that are now called holy and worshiped for the cover of the book and not for what it says, but the instructions are all there for all to see, have always been and always will be. There's nothing new under the sun. All the roads lead to Rome. And people cannot provide it for you. I can't wake you up. You can wake you up. I can't cure you. You can cure you."
PLAYBOY: "What is it that keeps people from accepting that message?"
LENNON: "It's fear of the unknown. The unknown is what it is. And to be frightened of it is what sends everybody scurrying around chasing dreams, illusions, wars, peace, love, hate, all that... it's all illusion. Unknown is what what it is. Accept that it's unknown and it's plain sailing. Everything is unknown... then you're ahead of the game. That's what it is. Right?"
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Sun, October 28, 2007 - 2:13 PM<I can't wake you up. You can wake you up. I can't cure you. You can cure you.">
<you make your own dream.>
i just love when people prove my point for me. above are quotes from the exerpt ypou provided and they are the foundation of what conservatives stand for: take personal responsibility --do it yourself--don't depend on icons or things like welfare to cure you. make your own life. ronald reagan, who lennon quite admored and knew, couldn't have said it better.
lennon had left leftism far behind by the time of his death. but you can keep clining to the lyrics of IMAGINE which lennon would have disavowed in his later years.
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Re: dominos = indigestible
Mon, October 29, 2007 - 1:04 AMIt's a three page interview, he doesn't distance himself from a single thing he wrote, or said in the past.
This isn't Animal Farm seth, you don't get to rewrite history just because you would like to.
Cat Stevens has disavowed his previous work... Lennon never, NEVER did.
Twist the words all you want, act like the sky is yellow, and the sun is Green all you want. It doesn't amount to a hill of beans.
Oh, hey, has Ann Coulter turned you Christian yet and perfected you?
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Sun, October 28, 2007 - 12:04 AM<Yep. Most of those fuckers voted FOR the war because it was politically incorrect to do so in the post 9/11 climate of patriotic hysteria.>
I think they voted because they were paid to:
www.opensecrets.org/news/reb...index.asp
Rebuilding Iraq -- The Contractors
Even before the war in Iraq began March 20, the Bush administration was considering plans to help rebuild the country after fighting ceased. According to news reports in early March, the U.S. Agency for International Development secretly asked six U.S. companies to submit bids for a $900 million government contract to repair and reconstruct water systems, roads, bridges, schools and hospitals in Iraq.
The six companies -- Bechtel Group Inc., Fluor Corp., Halliburton Co. subsidiary Kellogg, Brown & Root, Louis Berger Group Inc., Parsons Corp. and Washington Group International Inc. -- contributed a combined $3.6 million in individual, PAC and soft money donations between 1999 and 2002, the Center reported on its news site, CapitalEye.org. Sixty-six percent of that total went to Republicans.
The bidding process has been criticized for including only a handful of companies, some with substantial political clout and none of which is based outside the United States. USAID officials said the recent invitations to bid on reconstruction contracts went to U.S. corporations for security reasons, and that foreign companies may compete for subcontracting work, Bloomberg News reports.
As the winners* of this and other contracts to rebuild Iraq are announced, we will post their campaign contributions -- large or small -- below. (Figures represent total contributions made between 1999 and 2002, and include PAC, soft money and individual contributions to federal candidates, party committees and leadership PACs.^)
Bechtel Group Inc.
The Contributions: $1,303,765 (59 percent to Republicans; 41 percent to Democrats)
Total to President Bush: $6,250
The Contract: USAID awarded the largest of its postwar Iraq contracts to Bechtel Group Inc. April 17. The capital construction contract gives Bechtel an initial award of $34.6 million, but provides for funding of up to $680 million over 18 months subject to Congress’ approval. Bechtel’s primary activities under the contract will include rebuilding power generation facilities, electrical grids, water and sewage systems and airport facilities in Iraq. The company has said it plans to subcontract a number of these projects.
The Company: Bechtel Group Inc., the San Francisco-based engineering company, has been in the construction business for more than 100 years and has completed close to 20,000 projects in 140 countries. The privately owned firm, which had revenues of $13.3 billion last year, has made a number of friends in Washington over the years. Former Secretary of State George Shultz, once Bechtel’s president, now serves on the company’s board of directors. USAID Administrator Andrew Natsios, who oversees the bidding process for postwar contracts, once headed the Boston-area “Big Dig” construction project, for which Bechtel was the primary contractor.
Halliburton Co.
The Contributions: $708,770 (95 percent to Republicans)
Total to President Bush: $17,677
The Contract: On March 25, the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers awarded Halliburton Co. subsidiary Kellogg, Brown & Root the main contract to fight oil well fires and reconstruct oil fields in Iraq. The open-ended contract, which has no specified time or dollar limit, was given to the company without a bidding process. KBR has already announced it will subcontract the actual firefighting operations to Boots & Coots International Well Control Inc. and Wild Well Control Inc., both based in Houston.
The Company: Halliburton Co., the Dallas-based oil field services giant that took in $12.5 billion in sales last year, is no stranger to government contracts. Kellogg, Brown & Root fought oil well fires in Kuwait and provided support services to U.S. forces in the Balkans in the 1990s. But Halliburton's ties to Washington have made it a target of criticism in the latest bidding process. Vice President Dick Cheney headed the company for five years before becoming George W. Bush's runningmate in 2000. Lawrence Eagleburger, former U.S. secretary of state under President George H. W. Bush, sits on the company's board.
DynCorp
The Contributions: $226,865 (72 percent to Republicans)
Total to President Bush: $7,500
Computer Sciences Corp. (acquired DynCorp March 7)
The Contributions: $276,975 (74 percent to Republicans)
Total to President Bush: $10,250
The Contract: The U.S. State Department awarded DynCorp, now a unit of Computer Sciences Corp., a multimillion-dollar contract April 18 to advise the Iraqi government on setting up effective law enforcement, judicial and correctional agencies. DynCorp will arrange for up to 1,000 U.S. civilian law enforcement experts to travel to Iraq to help locals "assess threats to public order" and mentor personnel at the municipal, provincial and national levels. The company will also provide any logistical or technical support necessary for this peacekeeping project. DynCorp estimates it could recoup up to $50 million for the first year of the contract.
The Companies: Founded in 1946, DynCorp has long provided U.S. government agencies--particularly the Defense Department--with logistical and training support. Computer Sciences Corp. acquired DynCorp in March of this year for $950 million. CSC is one of the country's leading IT consulting firms and reported revenues of more than $11 billion in 2002.
Stevedoring Services of America
The Contributions: $24,825 (77 percent to Republicans)
Total to President Bush: $1,000
The Contract: USAID awarded Stevedoring Services of America a $4.8 million contract on March 24 for "assessment and management" of the Umm Qasr port in southeastern Iraq. The agency says the Seattle-based company will operate the port as it receives shipments of humanitarian and reconstruction materials and will research ways to improve port productivity for the long term.
The Company: Stevedoring Services of America, the largest marine terminal operator in the United States, made an estimated $1 billion in sales last year. The family-owned and -operated company is a private venture.
Abt Associates Inc.
The Contributions: $4,900 (100 percent to Democrats)
Total to President Bush: $0
The Contract: USAID awarded Abt Associates a $10 million contract April 30 to help reform the Iraqi Ministry of Health and to deliver health services and medical equipment to Iraqis. Under the “Health System Strengthening Contract,” the firm will coordinate the training and recruiting of health staff and will provide health education to the general public. Abt will work in cooperation with UNICEF, the World Health Organization and other international organizations already on the ground in Iraq.
The Company: Abt Associates, based in Cambridge, Mass., is one of the largest for-profit government and business research and consulting firms in the world. In the United States, Abt has completed social and economic policy consulting, surveys and clinical trials for organizations such as the Environmental Protection Agency and the Centers for Disease Control. About one-third of the company’s revenues come from international activities.
SkyLink Air and Logistic Support (USA) Inc.
The Contributions: $3,900 (74 percent to Republicans)
Total to President Bush: $0
The Contract: USAID awarded SkyLink Air and Logistic Support (USA) Inc. an initial $2.5 million contract May 7 to help reopen and manage Iraq’s airports. SkyLink will oversee an international staff in its efforts to assess airport damage and get operations up and running. Ultimately, the company will turn over airport management to Iraqi staff.
The Company: Washington, D.C.-based SkyLink Air and Logistic Support is a government contractor with experience in emergency relief, peacekeeping, humanitarian aid and development activities in more than 60 countries. SkyLink’s regular clients include the United States and United Nations, which often use the company in areas plagued by war or natural disasters.
International Resources Group
The Contributions: $3,800 (61 percent to Democrats)
Total to President Bush: $0
The Contract: USAID awarded International Resources Group a $7 million, 90-day contract Feb. 21 for the management of relief and rebuilding efforts in postwar Iraq. IRG will coordinate efforts across multiple sectors, including education, health, agriculture, civil society and infrastructure.
The Company: International Resources Group is a Washington, D.C.-based professional services firm that manages complex environmental, energy and reconstruction situations for public and private sector clients. Founded in 1978, IRG has completed more than 600 projects, many of them for USAID.
Research Triangle Institute
The Contributions: $3,491 (all to Democrats)
Total to President Bush: $0
The Contract: USAID awarded Research Triangle Institute a $7.9 million contract April 11 to promote Iraqi civic participation in the reconstruction process. RTI will provide technical assistance and training programs in an effort to improve local administrators’ management skills and understanding of municipal services. RTI will also have the authority to grant contracts to Iraqi and foreign non-governmental organizations that will help train administrators and civilians in communication, conflict resolution, leadership and political analysis. Increasing political participation of “at-risk” groups-- including those that represent the interests of women, minorities and youth in Iraq—will be a top priority for RTI.
The Company: Research Triangle Institute is a non-profit organization based in Research Triangle Park, N.C. The group has worked in transitional regions for more than 20 years, and is a regular USAID contractor. RTI has completed governance work in South Africa, Indonesia and El Salvador and most recently won a $60 million USAID contract for educational development in Pakistan.
Creative Associates International Inc.
The Contributions: $2,000 (all to Democrats)
Total to President Bush: $0
The Contract: USAID awarded Creative Associates International Inc. a $2 million one-year contract April 11 to address the “immediate educational needs” of Iraq’s primary and secondary schools. Short-term activities covered under the contract include training teachers, providing students with school supplies and developing testing methods to track student performance.
The Company: Creative Associates International Inc. is a private consulting firm based in Washington, D.C., that provides community development assistance to transitional regions. The firm, which has revenues of $35 million per year, has completed more than 400 contracts since its inception in 1979.
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Re: I disagree
Sun, October 28, 2007 - 12:11 AM>and then, in the late 70s, he GREW UP, realized the "peace, love and understanding" bunch were a bunch of airheads with NO SOLUTIONS so he left his radicalism behind and never looked back. sorry to burst your bubble but this is the truth.
Uh, actually, just plain, No.
He got clean from his junk abuse, chilled, made a good pop record and got shot.
Before his death, he issued no recantations of his past positions. None. You're pulling crap out of your ass here.
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Re: I disagree
Sun, October 28, 2007 - 8:33 AMThe only way this country will ever get back on track is for people to realize that the problem isn't with conservatives or liberals, but with politicians who are only interested in lining their pockets, their friends pockets, getting re-elected, and expanding their power. in my humble opinion, anyone who runs for political office is immediately suspect. Show me a virtuous politician and I'll show you an honest used car salesman. And whoever decided that attorneys make good political leaders should be horsewhipped. Getting a straight answer from an attorney is like squeezing a garbage bag and hoping to get orange juice.
They are all corrupt. They may talk a good game about "bringing honesty to politics", but once they get there, it's business as usual. Defending either political party just means you accept the corruption that happens to pay lip service to your personal beliefs.
"Democrats are for The Poor and for The Working Class!" Nonsense. The war on poverty has been a horrible expensive failure and has only benefited Democrats who can expect the votes from generations of people dependent on government checks.
"Republicans are about limited government and family values!" Really? Study the Bush administration and come see me again.
Politics is about telling your base what they want to hear and then doing exactly what is in your own interest.
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Re: I disagree
Sun, October 28, 2007 - 8:47 AMdorry nikolas, that's way to cynical for me. the actual problem lies with very stupid leftists in governments around the world that came of age in the 60s. they do not understand REALITY. the realty is Iran wants a bomb and has already told the world that they want israel gone. Um, that tells me one thing: that they want israel gone and that oif they build their bomb, that's what they will do.
"peac love and understanding" ain't cutting it.
leftists are a cancer in the US and until they die off in 20-30 years, is when we'll be less politically correct in our foreign policy and in our schools. until then, defeating them at every trun is the only answer. thus far, that has been the case: bill clinton was effectively a republican; george w. bush won 2 terms. geogre bush I was before clinton and ronald reagan was a 2 term president. the american people understand what a deleterious effect stupid and dangerous liberals have on our country and the world. -
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Re: I disagree
Sun, October 28, 2007 - 8:54 AMThere's this thing called a thesaurus.
In it, Seth, you can--this is amazing--find other words that mean the same thing as other words.
Because currently, you only seem to know "stupid" and "weak" as descriptors of "liberals".
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Re: I disagree
Sun, October 28, 2007 - 9:00 AM>leftists are a cancer in the US and until they die off in 20-30 years,
Wow, again, I so hate to break bad news to you, but the majority of eligeable voters under 30 describe themselves as liberal and/or Democratic.
But perhaps 20-30 years is when you think the time will be ripe for a final solution to the liberal problem?
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Mon, October 29, 2007 - 1:48 AM>>dorry nikolas, that's way to cynical for me. <<
Oh, come on. At least make this bullshit semi-believable. You're taking the whole fake-idiot thing too far. I guess you can't go wrong underestimating the American public, but...
...please, for me, for my entertainment, just make it a little less obvious that you're taking the piss, all right? Make your foaming-mouth cretinous republican/absurdist gutless-bitch-for-evil character conform *somewhat* to reality.
I really think you'll get better material all around, even for the low-com-denom you're apparently pandering to, if you follow that advice. Make it believable. If you do that, it won't be so awful and wrong when you talk about Israel, see what I'm saying? Right now when you start saluting that flag you just cast an ugly pall over a whole people, and that just isn't *fair* dude. Either lay off eulogizing Israel, for Israel's sake, or start making your shtick less the bored doodling of a psoriatic touretter and more the shrewd trolling of a predatory verbiage thief. At the very least, like two or so of us will be able to bring up some small lump of respect for you.
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Sun, October 28, 2007 - 7:01 AMYO~!! Hy Dsub ~!!
I been telling you all along that it is always and only ALL about the Power and Money. There is no other reason any one gets into politics - ever. -
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Sun, October 28, 2007 - 11:14 PM<There is no other reason any one gets into politics - ever.>
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Re: democrats = Demoncraps
Sun, October 28, 2007 - 11:50 PM
I just can't believe that no one else thinks that the federal justices and the supreme court are not Issue #1.
It's like people just ignore that issue because it so easily kills all other arguments.
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Re: democrats = Demoncraps
Mon, October 29, 2007 - 4:25 AMhey andrew, keep grasping for that carrot they are dangling in front of you. i'm sure you'll get it one day.
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