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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The Army and Marine Corps are allowing convicted felons to serve in increasing numbers, newly released Department of Defense statistics show.
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A U.S Marine keeps a watchful eye in downtown Baghdad.
Recruits were allowed to enlist after having been convicted of crimes including assault, burglary, drug possession and making terrorist threats.
The statistics were released by Rep. Henry Waxman, a California Democrat who chairs the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform.
He has given the Pentagon a month to hand over up-to-date details on the number of waivers granted, reports on how the recruits have performed and information about how the waivers are related to meeting recruitment goals.
Pentagon statistics show the Army granted 511 felony waivers in 2007, just over twice the 249 it granted the year before. The Army aims to recruit more than 80,000 new soldiers a year.
The Marines -- which recruits fewer new service members each year than the Army -- also reported a rise in waivers for felonies, with 350 granted in 2007, compared with 208 in 2006.
"There was a rapid rise in 2007 in the number of waivers the Army and Marine Corps granted to recruits convicted of serious felonies," Waxman said in a letter Monday to David Chu, the under-secretary of defense for personnel and readiness.
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"I understand that there can be valid reasons for personnel waivers and recognize the importance of providing opportunities to individuals who have served their sentences and rehabilitated themselves.
"At the same time, concerns have been raised that the significant increase in the recruitment of persons with criminal records is a result of the strain put on the military by the Iraq war and may be undermining military readiness," he charged.
The Army defended its use of waivers as a response to a changing American society, arguing that only three in 10 Americans of military age "meet all our stringent medical, moral, aptitude or administrative requirements."
"Today's young men and women are more overweight, have a greater incidence of asthma, and are being charged for offenses that in earlier years wouldn't have been considered a serious offense, and might not have resulted in charges in the first place," John P. Boyce Jr. of Army Public Affairs said in a statement to CNN.
He said the Army never issues waivers for some types of offenses, including sexual violence, alcoholism and drug trafficking.
But the Pentagon statistics showed the Army allowed 106 convicted burglars to enlist in 2007, up from 36 the year before. It also granted waivers to 43 recruits convicted of aggravated assault that year, up from 33 a year before; and to 130 people convicted of possession of drugs other than marijuana, a rise from 71 in 2006.
It also allowed two people convicted of making terrorist or bomb threats to enlist in 2007, up from one the year before.
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The Army and Marine Corps are allowing convicted felons to serve in increasing numbers, newly released Department of Defense statistics show.
art.army.jpg
A U.S Marine keeps a watchful eye in downtown Baghdad.
Recruits were allowed to enlist after having been convicted of crimes including assault, burglary, drug possession and making terrorist threats.
The statistics were released by Rep. Henry Waxman, a California Democrat who chairs the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform.
He has given the Pentagon a month to hand over up-to-date details on the number of waivers granted, reports on how the recruits have performed and information about how the waivers are related to meeting recruitment goals.
Pentagon statistics show the Army granted 511 felony waivers in 2007, just over twice the 249 it granted the year before. The Army aims to recruit more than 80,000 new soldiers a year.
The Marines -- which recruits fewer new service members each year than the Army -- also reported a rise in waivers for felonies, with 350 granted in 2007, compared with 208 in 2006.
"There was a rapid rise in 2007 in the number of waivers the Army and Marine Corps granted to recruits convicted of serious felonies," Waxman said in a letter Monday to David Chu, the under-secretary of defense for personnel and readiness.
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"I understand that there can be valid reasons for personnel waivers and recognize the importance of providing opportunities to individuals who have served their sentences and rehabilitated themselves.
"At the same time, concerns have been raised that the significant increase in the recruitment of persons with criminal records is a result of the strain put on the military by the Iraq war and may be undermining military readiness," he charged.
The Army defended its use of waivers as a response to a changing American society, arguing that only three in 10 Americans of military age "meet all our stringent medical, moral, aptitude or administrative requirements."
"Today's young men and women are more overweight, have a greater incidence of asthma, and are being charged for offenses that in earlier years wouldn't have been considered a serious offense, and might not have resulted in charges in the first place," John P. Boyce Jr. of Army Public Affairs said in a statement to CNN.
He said the Army never issues waivers for some types of offenses, including sexual violence, alcoholism and drug trafficking.
But the Pentagon statistics showed the Army allowed 106 convicted burglars to enlist in 2007, up from 36 the year before. It also granted waivers to 43 recruits convicted of aggravated assault that year, up from 33 a year before; and to 130 people convicted of possession of drugs other than marijuana, a rise from 71 in 2006.
It also allowed two people convicted of making terrorist or bomb threats to enlist in 2007, up from one the year before.
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Re: Criminals Welcomed in the Army, Marines. . .
Mon, April 21, 2008 - 8:17 PMI recently saw an article that said they were welcoming people autism into the military. -
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Re: Criminals Welcomed in the Army, Marines. . .
Mon, April 21, 2008 - 8:18 PMI think you were just reading MAD Magazine, again -
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Mon, April 21, 2008 - 9:05 PMwhats so newsworthy about this
like the guy in the white house
birds of a feather
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Mon, April 21, 2008 - 10:38 PMThis phenomenon is an excellent explanation for the extreme proliferation of command rape........ -
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Tue, April 22, 2008 - 2:33 PM>> This phenomenon is an excellent explanation for the extreme proliferation of command rape........ <<
not really sure what you mean by command rape... but no. you're wrong.
this is a recent phenomenon. so unless there has been some very recent spike in rapes in the military, your speculation lacks merit. -
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Tue, April 22, 2008 - 3:17 PMmedia.www.dailyemerald.com/medi...shtml
My bad; command rape _has_ been going on for longer than the relaxed standards.
This just means that now there will be more of _all_ types of crime related to the military; not just sexual assault. -
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Tue, April 22, 2008 - 3:22 PM>> My bad; command rape _has_ been going on for longer than the relaxed standards. <<
what is "command rape?" and sure. sexual assaults unfortunately happen in and out of the military.
>> This just means that now there will be more of _all_ types of crime related to the military; not just sexual assault. <<
does it? do you subscribe to the once a criminal always a criminal? if so, do you advocate longer prison terms? under what circumstances could you ever release someone with a criminal conviction back into society?
what it does mean is youngsters make mistakes. they have poor impulse control, hormones and all that. seems to me that a little structure and discipline is the way to go.
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Tue, April 22, 2008 - 3:23 PM>>not really sure what you mean by command rape... but no. you're wrong. <<
Bad choice of things to be uninformed about but making commentary on nonetheless. -
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Re: Criminals Welcomed in the Army, Marines. . .
Tue, April 22, 2008 - 7:09 PMAny time I post _anything_ on here, Yoni and his ilk lose all rationality. First they try to discredit me, and then when they utterly fail at that, they start spewing venom.
I must be doing _something_ right. -
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Tue, April 22, 2008 - 9:26 PM>> Any time I post _anything_ on here, Yoni and his ilk lose all rationality. <<
where exactly did I lose my rationality? I have ilk?
>> First they try to discredit me, and then when they utterly fail at that, they start spewing venom. <<
how did I try to discredit you?
>> I must be doing _something_ right. <<
I guess so... -
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Tue, April 22, 2008 - 9:59 PMuspolitics.tribe.net/thread/...83ed683a
<...how did I try to discredit you?...>
Anybody normal would conclude that to say that somebody's point "lacks merit" (without even really examining it, BTW) is an attempt to discredit it. -
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Tue, April 22, 2008 - 10:09 PM>> Anybody normal would conclude that to say that somebody's point "lacks merit" (without even really examining it, BTW) is an attempt to discredit it. <<
anyone with a dictionary would disagree. you claimed that the sudden increase in recruits with past criminal records explained "command rape." but how would there be enough time for these new recruits to enter into a position of command? hence, your point lacked merit (i.e. justification). that is the point of rebutting a statement...
it is starting to look like you are unable to handle differences of opinion. -
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Wed, April 23, 2008 - 10:42 AM<...it is starting to look like you are unable to handle differences of opinion....>
Said the pot to the kettle.
Unable to refute me, he now starts the slams. -
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Re: Criminals Welcomed in the Army, Marines. . .
Wed, April 23, 2008 - 10:48 AMActually, you usually come across as a shrill idiot, and not so much insulting -
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Re: Criminals Welcomed in the Army, Marines. . .
Wed, April 23, 2008 - 8:47 PMYou never even _read_ anything I actually post, and you just _hate_ it when you can't intimidate me into shutting up.
You and Yoni are the "shrill idiots" around here. -
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Wed, April 23, 2008 - 8:50 PMActually, i find you entertaining. -
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Wed, April 23, 2008 - 9:00 PMCalling me a "shrill idiot" does not indicate amusement. It indicates frustration that you can't shut me up.
Nyaaaaaahhhhh-nyaaaaaaahhhhhh! -
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Re: Criminals Welcomed in the Army, Marines. . .
Wed, April 23, 2008 - 9:01 PM"Calling me a "shrill idiot" does not indicate amusement. It indicates frustration that you can't shut me up."
Is that some unspoken law of the intertubes~? -
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Wed, April 23, 2008 - 9:15 PM<...Is that some unspoken law of the intertubes~?...>
Is this phrase supposed to _mean_ something? -
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Wed, April 23, 2008 - 9:16 PM
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Wed, April 23, 2008 - 9:43 PM>> Calling me a "shrill idiot" does not indicate amusement. <<
nope. it does indicate Dustin has a penchant for making accurate descriptions. -
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Re: Criminals Welcomed in the Army, Marines. . .
Wed, April 23, 2008 - 10:06 PMBetter watch those 3 fingers pointing back at You, Mr. Vagina. -
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Re: Criminals Welcomed in the Army, Marines. . .
Thu, April 24, 2008 - 12:17 AM>> Better watch those 3 fingers pointing back at You, Mr. Vagina. <<
responding to your own posts again I see. -
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Re: Criminals Welcomed in the Army, Marines. . .
Thu, April 24, 2008 - 12:30 AM<...responding to your own posts again I see....>
The threading proves I was responding to _you_.
www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/yoni -
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Re: Criminals Welcomed in the Army, Marines. . .
Thu, April 24, 2008 - 12:36 AMI find it strange, that as a feminist, you would use vagina as a derogatory remark -
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Re: Criminals Welcomed in the Army, Marines. . .
Thu, April 24, 2008 - 7:13 AMI find it strange, indeed blasphemous, that someone whose whole agenda toward women is to keep them barefoot and pregnant, should use the word "Yoni" in his Tribe handle. -
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Re: Criminals Welcomed in the Army, Marines. . .
Thu, April 24, 2008 - 12:58 PMwhen did he ever promote that agenda~?
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Thu, April 24, 2008 - 11:41 PMuspolitics.tribe.net/thread/...2c9b94b0
From the McSame thread; he states he believes that equal pay for equal work will destroy America's economy.
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Re: Criminals Welcomed in the Army, Marines. . .
Wed, April 23, 2008 - 9:39 PM>> Unable to refute me, <<
when I pointed out that a recent phenomenon couldn't logically explain "command rape"... your assertion I might add. well that qualifies as refuting your assertion. sorry.
>> he now starts the slams. <<
by pointing out your hostile reactions to any opinion that is counter to yours... well that doesn't really qualify as a slam? unless you consider pointing out holes in your logic a slam... kind of a common occurrence for you. one would think you'd start getting used to that sort of thing. -
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Re: Criminals Welcomed in the Army, Marines. . .
Wed, April 23, 2008 - 10:08 PMThe post was directed to Dusty, but now that you mention it, it _does_ pertain to you too. You did your alleged point NO good when you mentioned you knew nothing about command rape. As Loki suggested, Just F*cking Google It! -
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Re: Criminals Welcomed in the Army, Marines. . .
Wed, April 23, 2008 - 10:38 PMCommand rape- I would assume they are not discussing economics, right? -
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Re: Criminals Welcomed in the Army, Marines. . .
Thu, April 24, 2008 - 12:22 AM>> Command rape- I would assume they are not discussing economics, right? <<
according to the dynamic duo, one cannot infer from the term that it refers to rape committed by someone in a position of command. in fact the term is so complex that it requires extensive reading to fully comprehend that the term refers to rape committed by someone in a position of command. and only after extensive reading and studying should one be allowed to comment on such a complicated and nuanced concept...
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Re: Criminals Welcomed in the Army, Marines. . .
Tue, April 22, 2008 - 9:51 PM>> Bad choice of things to be uninformed about but making commentary on nonetheless. <<
I assumed it had to do with rape committed by someone in command. was I wrong?
and if so, obviously a recent change in recruiting practices wouldn't have time to impact the command structure. follow that logic? seems pretty simple. -
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Re: Criminals Welcomed in the Army, Marines. . .
Tue, April 22, 2008 - 10:10 PMY'might ought to read up on it, I guess....
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Re: Criminals Welcomed in the Army, Marines. . .
Tue, April 22, 2008 - 10:16 PM> this is a recent phenomenon. <
No, it's not. Going back at least as far as WWI, and continuing through WWII, Korea, and 'Nam, criminals have been offered the opportunity to avoid jail by entering the Armerd Services. Many gladly took the opportunity, and many of them honourably discharged their responsibility and never committed another crime.
Why do people have a problem with this? Even a cynic might like it, arguing that having the convicted serve means less of our so-called innocent kids, without crimninal records, would need to die in battle . . . -
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Tue, April 22, 2008 - 10:18 PM
>> Why do people have a problem with this? <<
I think it might have something to do with politics. just a hunch really.
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Tue, April 22, 2008 - 10:21 PM>> No, it's not. <<
refer to the context of my post. someone tried to assert that the sudden increase in recruits with a criminal records explained "command rape." and yes, you're completely right. it's just that right now, both sides are grasping at anything to score a point. -
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Re: Criminals Welcomed in the Army, Marines. . .
Tue, April 22, 2008 - 11:00 PM• there are lots of sides.
• not every post is "making a point"; that's only a very small, if key, component of discussion, really.
• point-nullification via any means necessary is less valuable *even* than illusory 'points' made via similar tactics. -
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Re: Criminals Welcomed in the Army, Marines. . .
Tue, April 22, 2008 - 11:19 PM>> point-nullification via any means necessary is less valuable *even* than illusory 'points' made via similar tactics. <<
are you posting a jumble?
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Re: Criminals Welcomed in the Army, Marines. . .
Tue, April 22, 2008 - 12:59 AMI told the Army I would come back when they had someone to interview me who wouldn't give demonstrably incorrect answers to my questions.
The guy in charge said 'don't come back; we're not interested.'
Maybe I should have just told him I was a carjacker or something? -
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Re: Criminals Welcomed in the Army, Marines. . .
Tue, April 22, 2008 - 5:16 AMI have no problem with people who have criminal records serving in the armed forces, provided they've fulfilled the requirements of their sentence prior to entry and are free of addiction. in my opinion if you've paid your debt, the slate is clear and opportunities should not be closed to you. -
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Tue, April 22, 2008 - 10:22 AMHell they are all criminals once they are indoctrinated so why not just start out with criminals. Much easier to get them to to do immoral/'illegal stuff. -
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Re: Criminals Welcomed in the Army, Marines. . .
Tue, April 22, 2008 - 10:26 AMComing Attractions of the Amerikkkan Empire: A crime wave executed by government-trained killers, coming to a suburb near you!
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