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Re: Moonbats say we never landed on the moon
Sat, June 30, 2007 - 6:05 AMwe did, but not when we said we did ;-) -
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Re: Moonbats say we never landed on the moon
Sat, June 30, 2007 - 6:32 AMWe Didn't!
Not only did NASA not possess the technology to do so in 1969 if one looks CAREFULLY at all of the still photo's and video footage of every so-called "Moon Landing" including the first one,major flaws can be clearly seen such as:
An american flag "fluttering" in the wind in one of the first Videos...Fluttering in the WHAT?..the Moon has no Atmosphere and as such,there is no "wind" for an object to flutter in!
In a still photo of Apollo 11(the first "Moon Landing") a "Cameraman" can be seen in the shadow of the Lunar Lander!...HUH? a "Cameraman? wasn't it supposed to be only Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin on the Moon? ..where did HE come from?
Astronomers have used the Hubbell Space Telescope to locate the Lunar landers ,Lunar Rovers and other "Debris" left on the Moonbases and haven't found a SINGLE piece of photographic evidence that "any human has ever landed on our Moon".
In 1978 there was a Movie about "The First landing on Mars" called Capricorn One..it clearly demonstrated how a huge Hollywood backlot and NASA could "Fake" such a Landing and becuase of inconsistencies and flaws "Most likely" Faked all of the Moon Landings as well. -
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Re: Moonbats say we never landed on the moon
Sat, June 30, 2007 - 6:51 AMJake, I suggest you look up the debunkings of these things. -
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Re: Moonbats say we never landed on the moon
Sat, June 30, 2007 - 7:08 AMI have Grim
and I'd rather believe at this point in time what my EYES tell me,rather than what my Country's Government tells me to believe.
Those photo's and video were taken DECADES before we had "Photoshop" at that time it was difficult if not impossible to "Doctor up" a photograph or videotape footage.
Why do you think NASA got "stuck" in the Space Shuttle Program,instead of sending Spacecraft to the Moon to build a Launching Platform for a Mars landing using the Moon's 1/5th Gravity to conserve fuel and achieve Escape Velocity? The Shuttle Program was created to get everyones mind OFF the Moon,becuase the next logical step would be to build a Moonbase and it couldn't happen becuase we never even landed there in the first place.
We don't even have the proper Rocket Fuel developed and perfected yet for a full-throttle five day Moon Mission. The Shuttles are "Sub-Orbital" and use the Earth's Gravity to remain in Orbit. We have never even reached "Escape Velocity" to break the Earth's Gravitational Pull. Liquid and solid Rocket Fuel doesnt "cut it". -
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Re: Moonbats say we never landed on the moon
Sat, June 30, 2007 - 7:13 AMThey gave up on the moon because the emphasis shifted to military uses and that mean looking earthwards which meant satellites. The shuttle was and is a workhorse. If you're familiar with the to-and-fro battle between the airforce and NASA for control of the space program you'll see how this causes problems.
The flag is stiffened with a wire, otherwise it would not stand out. With less gravity any motion imparted to it will continue longer than we might otherwise think and, additionally, the extremes of temperature might cause it issues. Not to mention the differences in light quality.
And if you seriously think we've never left earth's pull, what about voyager et al? -
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Re: Moonbats say we never landed on the moon
Sat, June 30, 2007 - 7:33 AMIt was really really really really important to beat those Russkies to the moon, especially after the humiliating defeat of their putting Sputnik up.
Important enough to lie about and fabricate the whole thing out of the kings new invisible cloak? Hmmmmmm. Absolutely, Did they?
I'll keep an open mind either way, but I do know that once I've accomplished something for the first time, the trail gets a little easier until everybody and their grandmother are doing it standing on their heads.
The military excuse holds a little water, but a moon colony has to be the ultimate prize and we've never demonstrated the ability to go back, mostly it's been a string of spectacular intermittent failures due to chilly o rings and ice clods, and wiggily plates. -
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Re: Moonbats say we never landed on the moon
Sat, June 30, 2007 - 9:14 AMThis is the whole point that there WAS no competition there, Robin of the Woods. It is the Americans are those who are obsessed with competitions and " IN THE WORLD!!" - stuff, as well as, that somebody is ALWAYS out to get them.
Let me open it up for you ju-u-ust a lttle so that you can see a fuller picture:
THE WORLD DOES NOT GIVE A SHIT ABOUT AMERICA AND IS NOT OUT TO GET IT. NOBODY IS OUT TO GET YOU.
EVERYBODY IS MINDING THEIR OWN BUSINESS AND THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT AMERICA SHOULD DO AS WELL.
The reason why the Soviets did not get to the moon first (they had a launch two weeks before the Apollo's) is because a chunk of metal fell off a supporting mast while the rocket was taking off and pierced an engine, which then exploded living Jeebus out of itself. (You should see the documentary, though.)
So, naturally, you cannot built a rocket of THAT magnitude in just two weeks, and THAT is exactly why Saturn 5 went and did it.
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Until you, (We - the Humans), continue thinking the way you (we) think, (as I have described just now), we are doomed to be stuck on one planet. And "playing" friendship will make it even worse. -
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Re: Moonbats say we never landed on the moon
Sat, June 30, 2007 - 9:36 AMHEHEHEHE! It's about time someone other than me says it.
I actually talk to people out there - sure, some of them are a bit fascinated with our culture, just like some of us are fascinated by theirs. But the reality is, nobody outside of this country could give two figs about us, unless, of course - they have good reason to be scared. And even then - they really don't give a fuck.
But you guys just keep telling yourselves how big, bad and insanely awesome we are. The one time just about everyone looked up and noticed, and it wasn't long after the President was destroying our relations with them. "Oh, well - business as usual I guess - carry on", was the attitude that followed on their end, and as far as I'm concerned it was justified.
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Re: Moonbats say we never landed on the moon
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Re: Moonbats say we never landed on the moon
Sat, June 30, 2007 - 8:35 AM -
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Re: Moonbats say we never landed on the moon
Sat, June 30, 2007 - 9:14 AMJust in case no one wants to buy a copy of Secret Space but would like to see it for free, here you go!
www.youtube.com/results
It was just officially released yesterday, so we're talkin' brand spankin' new
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Re: Moonbats say we never landed on the moon
Sat, June 30, 2007 - 8:56 AMIn this case, Jake, who did install the reflecting plate on the Moon at the precise angle that is needed for us (well, NASA) to bounce a laser beam off of it and monitor the precise distance from Earth to the Moon (which is, slowly, moves away by slightly more than an inch, (1 inch = 2.5 mm) - 3.8cm or 38 mm per year? - That was done during the first landing.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luna...Experiment
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Re: Moonbats say we never landed on the moon
Sun, July 1, 2007 - 3:04 PMI must tell you Jake
the cameraman was send before, to take good shoot !
........to the first man on the Moon
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Re: Moonbats say we never landed on the moon
Sat, June 30, 2007 - 8:52 AMWhile interesting arguments are presented on this conspiracy moon landing, and the US government has lied to us many times before, I've looked at various arguments and think that this theory of NASA never landing on the moon has been disproved.
This term Moonbat, however, seems strange and inappropriate.
According to Michelle Malkin a moonbat seems to be someone that gives money to Democrats. In this case reporters.
michellemalkin.com/2007/06/...al-donor/
I guess this fits some weird rightwing paranoia and conspiracy theories that the corporate media is the "liberal media".
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Re: Moonbats say we never landed on the moon
Sat, June 30, 2007 - 9:04 AMYou know, the irony is - this just tells me how much and how many people actually bother to read the linked posts. Because this article has absolutely nothing to do with the moon landing. -
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Re: Moonbats say we never landed on the moon
Sat, June 30, 2007 - 9:09 AMI read it... I even read some of the comments
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Re: Moonbats say we never landed on the moon
Sat, June 30, 2007 - 9:09 AMThe conspiracy link posting?
Personally, I didn't have to look at any link, because I've already looked into the subject. -
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Re: Moonbats say we never landed on the moon
Sat, June 30, 2007 - 9:11 AMHe's talking about the link in the original post. Gecko, did you smoke a lot of crack yesterday or what? -
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Re: Moonbats say we never landed on the moon
Sat, June 30, 2007 - 9:13 AMI know what he's talking about.
"The conspiracy link posting?" was meant to be a joke.
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Re: Moonbats say we never landed on the moon
Sat, June 30, 2007 - 9:24 AMdo you think the decision to pull troops out is a political decision or a military decision?
I'm not too sure these days as to which is which. I am quite sure that this whole Iraq war has been fought with very few military considerations. Don't you recall Cheney saying we would be greeted as liberators-and a certain general saying we needed a huge fighting force or even the Powell Doctrine......... -- we can see how that went. -
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Re: Moonbats say we never landed on the moon
Sat, June 30, 2007 - 9:30 AMI think it had something to do with crazy conspiracy theories that the people of the near east want to take our freedoms, and that crazy conspiracy theory that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. -
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Re: Moonbats say we never landed on the moon
Sat, June 30, 2007 - 9:56 AMI wouldn't call the Saddam Hussein conspiracy "crazy".
He was a psychotic murderous despot and the world is truly better without him. However, he has paid his bill and closed the account.
The other criminal part of all this mess is the government's camouflaged intentions for Iraq.
Oil is soon to be up and there was (is) the need to secure the resources, so to speak. A little, lost all sense of reality local kinglet was chosen, and under the facade of liberation and de-f$cki-mocracy a "coup" was staged.
Did he have any WMD? - Hell no, and that has, always, been known.
However, due to the American public being kept in a semi-degenerative catatonic mental state it went with a bang.
Saddam Hussein WAS a bad person - true. Out of the whole deal the world, as a side affect, got rid of a psychopath; but the REAL reasons it all began with where far from being noble.
People's intentions are very easy to understand. They are very simple, folks! Do not drive yourselves to ”frenzy" as to why was this or that done. It is very simple and inelaborate. - Money, money, and, again, money. -
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Re: Moonbats say we never landed on the moon
Sat, June 30, 2007 - 10:43 AM"Did he have any WMD? - Hell no, and that has, always, been known."
George Bush, a crazy conspiracy theorist, or just plain liar and mass murderer, answered. -
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Re: Moonbats say we never landed on the moon
Sun, July 1, 2007 - 12:17 PMWell... he did. But, they were OUR WMD. -
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Re: Moonbats say we never landed on the moon
Sun, July 1, 2007 - 2:23 PMSorry, dude. Not following...
What "he did", and which ones were "our WMD" -
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Re: Moonbats say we never landed on the moon
Sun, July 1, 2007 - 2:44 PMI dont claim to know the truth about what happened on the moon, because I wasnt there.
However, the idea that we would stage a fake success to bolster national pride and to beat the Russians after they beat us into space is not totally far fetched. Its within the realm of very real possibilities. Not a "fact" by any means, but a realistic possibility.
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Re: Moonbats say we never landed on the moon
Sun, July 1, 2007 - 2:50 PM<"Did he have any WMD? - Hell no, and that has, always, been known."
George Bush, a crazy conspiracy theorist, or just plain liar and mass murderer, answered.>
Saddam had WMD, but it was the stuff we gave him. -
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Re: Moonbats say we never landed on the moon
Sun, July 1, 2007 - 2:58 PMI do realize that this is about something else.
The Rumsfeld and Reagan gave Saddam vouchers which were used to buy chemical weapons from US corporations.
Saddam agreed to destroy all of his Al-Samud-2 missiles which were a minor violation of the security council resolution, and we rewarded him for working with the international community and voluntarily destroying his weapons by bombing his people with "shock and awe".
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Re: Moonbats say we never landed on the moon
Mon, July 2, 2007 - 2:38 AMGecko, at the time of the invasion, Saddam no longer had the WMDs we gave him. He complied with the UN's demands. Any chemical weapons accidentally left buried in the sand had already expired long before we got there.
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Re: Moonbats say we never landed on the moon
Sat, June 30, 2007 - 9:28 AMOf course not! everything I learned was from Capricorn One!!
The Earth is really flat too, no matter what those dastardly "scientist round earthers" say!!!!!
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Re: Moonbats say we never landed on the moon
Sat, June 30, 2007 - 10:44 AM***** Of course not! everything I learned was from Capricorn One!!*************
Me neither I learned all about dehydrated water from that series "Above and Beyond"
And I learned Outerspace navigation from the original BattleStar Galactica.
I learned outerspace quantum physics from the original star trek.
When you are in outer space killing phantom enemies in a foggy place you get thirsty and the easiest water to carry all that distance from earth is obviously dehydrated water. And that's what they had. Just ad water and drink your fill.
I think I may have seen all of three of those shows and not all the way through one time - it was a terrible show. But one of those three times they did the dehydrated water thing. I laughed wondering if it was a deliberate insult to the idiot audience.
**************The Earth is really flat too, no matter what those dastardly "scientist round earthers" say!!!!!*******************
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Re: Moonbats say we never landed on the moon
Sat, June 30, 2007 - 10:27 AMIt's amazing what those guys could do with their slide rules and pocket protectors. Ever try to do quick calculations on a slide rule? I'm old enough to have tried -- and failed.
Nevertheless, my dad was an aero- and astronautical engineer, and I had some first and second-hand exposure to what was going on. I think we landed on the moon.
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Re: Moonbats say we never landed on the moon
Sat, June 30, 2007 - 10:39 AMThe smoke that gives the loonies some traction is the fact ( and it is a fact) that all the photos were retouched.
And they were retouched by a very jubilant NASA who wanted to present their best face when they showed the world.
Little did they know that hoards of idiots, mental defectives, and lunatics were all lined up and sharpening their pencils. -
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Re: Moonbats say we never landed on the moon
Sat, June 30, 2007 - 11:06 AM********Little did they know that hoards of idiots, mental defectives, and lunatics were all lined up and sharpening their pencils.***********
LMAO!!
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Re: Moonbats say we never landed on the moon
Sat, June 30, 2007 - 11:22 AMI was not speaking of lightweight aluminum Satelittes Grim
Of course those tiny craft break escape velocity,some have gone as far out as Jupiter. I was speaking of a 900 ton spacecraft with Humans aboard it,and NO! No human powered spacecraft has yet to leave Earths Ionisphere.
Don't you think that IF we ever actually got on the Moon,that the United States Military would NOT have established a Military Outpost there yet? Think of the DAMAGE Laser Guided Nuclear Missiles shot from the Moon could do to this Planet? If the United States EVER WAS able to build such an outpost on our Moon,we would OWN THIS Entire Planet,The United States would then become an Invincible unstoppable POWER!
This is why the Moon Landings were a Government Hoax,once again,to make the United States "Appear Larger Than Life" so lesser Countries would see us as the SUPERPOWER we are...Not. And lastly...it was done in retaliation for being so humiliated by Russia for beating us to the Sattelite race with their launching of Sputnik.
Make NO mistake! IF we really DID land on our Moon,the U.S. Military would have a base there by now. -
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Re: Moonbats say we never landed on the moon
Sat, June 30, 2007 - 11:36 AM<<<...Make NO mistake! IF we really DID land on our Moon, the U.S. Military would have a base there by now...>>>
So would the Soviets (and Chinese, and Europeans etc..)
That is why they called it an arms race, and that is why they signed the treaty on the "non-weaponization" of space. :)
www.google.com/search -
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Re: Moonbats say we never landed on the moon
Sat, June 30, 2007 - 11:46 AMSerge
Treaties are signed and broken every day.
And when America sent its first human into Sub-Orbital Space Flight in 1963 with John Glenn there was no "Non Weaponisation Of Space Treaty" nor was there one in place when we "supposedly" landed on the Moon in 1969.
Again I ask: IF it were really possible to have a Military Weapons Base on our Moon,don't you think the U.S. would be there by now? The United States "Claims" to be the #1 Superpower on this Planet,do you really think they'd bow under to a Space Treaty standing in their way of becoming the ONE sole Mightiest POWER on the Planet,if given the technology?
We have a Nuclear Arms Proliferation Treaty signed with dozens of other Countries,but yet we are building newer and better Nuclear Weaponry every year.
Weapons Proliferation Treaties and peacetime-only Treaties don't mean shit. -
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Re: Moonbats say we never landed on the moon
Sun, July 1, 2007 - 12:02 PMWell, they can claim whatever they please or makes them feel better about themselves. They have never been, nor will EVER be the "only, mightiest, #1 "superpower" in the world".
You are still missing the point.
First of all - "...if given the technology...”:
IF given the technology, the stone-and-spear armed cannibals of upper Amazon would be the "...the "only, mightiest, #1 "superpower" in the world" as well, as would ANY(!) body else. So, one can claim his ass off all he wants.
Secondly, do you really think that it would not be noticed by any other space-capable nation that there is a constant "heavy traffic" between the Moon and Earth?
Thirdly: Can you even attempt to imagine the extent of the squeal when the above mentioned would have been noticed? - Exactly. I am not as brave myself either.
And fourthly: As I have mentioned already, this would provoke immediate response from the Soviets who would establish, in their turn, their own little "Luna park", "with hookers". (Credit to Bender, Futurama)
You see, you do not realize and are unaware of the extent of the technological advances our civilization has achieved so far. There are "things" out there that can hear you farting on the 5th Sunday of 11th day of 14th month at 64 pm "Whatever" Standard Time. Now, do you sincerely suggest that technology capable of detecting you shooting a firecracker into the air on 4th of July would "miss" a caravan of space ships going back and forth from Earth to the Moon for decades? - Let's laugh together here, shell we?
So, whether you have a treaty or don't, whether you obey by it or break it is your personal business. However, there is NO CHANCE IN HELL that you would be able to fuck with and around ANYbody in this world without them knowing about it right away.
Happy holidays, Jake.
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Re: Moonbats say we never landed on the moon
Sat, June 30, 2007 - 11:29 AM<<...********Little did they know that hoards of idiots, mental defectives, and lunatics were all lined up and sharpening their pencils.***********
LMAO!!
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Joining Brent here. :)))
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Re: Moonbats say we never landed on the moon
Sun, July 1, 2007 - 3:24 PMIs that person accusing G of KNOWING about he attacks in advance? of participating in their destruction??
I can't quite get good sound from it. -
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Re: Moonbats say we never landed on the moon
Sun, July 1, 2007 - 4:34 PMYou missed the Point Serge
This has nothing to do with "who can see us doing what"
The point was that the United States is Bullying the rest of the World to abide by a Nuclear Proliferation Treatywhile we are VERY BUISY building MORE and BETTER Nukes for our own Arsenal.
If WE as a Nation expect other Nations to curb their Nuclear Bomb making,then we also should be doing the same.
ANY "non proliferation Treaty" is worthless becuase they are NOT Universally abided by once signed.
So one cannot count on a "Use of Space as a weapon Proliferation Treaty".
IF it could have been done..we'd already have a weapons outpost on our Moon.
The reason we don't is becuase we never really got there. -
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Re: Moonbats say we never landed on the moon
Sun, July 1, 2007 - 6:26 PMNuclear bombs and nuclear energy along with it's nuclear waste it generates should not exist.
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Re: Moonbats say we never landed on the moon
Sun, July 1, 2007 - 11:50 PMBy "...BETTER Nukes ..." you probably mean better means of delivery, Jake.
We, humans, have passed the 100 Megs mark some time ago so there is no need to make any larger ones. The ones we have are, already, monstrous. I don't think any nation would want to, actually, crack the planet. This would be a fuck up of not "a century" but that of "a civilization".
As to the lunar bases, they would never be needed.
Why should we go from L.A. to Seattle via New York City? The distance from Earth to the Moon is 384,403 kilometers (238,857 miles). Now, if you want to nuke somebody, wouldn't it be more prudent to launch from a distance of 10,000 miles or 238,857 miles?
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Then, why would one want to waste Trillions of dollars on some absolutely unnecessary base god knows where?
Surveillance? - Again, why 238.857 miles, when ANY tiny little satellite can do it from 500 miles high?
Or, better yet, "hook up" one of them on a Geosynchronous orbit 42,164 km (26,200 miles) above the point of interest and watch it a-a-a-all you want. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geos...nous_orbit
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