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Stars and Stripes | Seth Robson | May 05, 2008
GRAFENWOHR, Germany -- Legislation that would restrict the sale of certain men's magazines on U.S. military bases around the world would be bad for morale, according to soldiers at Grafenwöhr.
U.S. Rep. Paul Broun, R-Ga., has introduced legislation that would close a loophole in the current law that allows the sale of some sexually explicit material on military bases by lowering the threshold required to deem material "sexually explicit."
A Department of Defense committee that reviews materials sold on bases ruled last year that magazines such as Playboy and Penthouse are not pornographic. But Broun's Military Honor and Decency Act includes language that could make those magazines eligible for the ban.
The prospect of missing out on men's magazines was not welcomed by soldiers at Grafenwöhr.
"We all read 'em," said Pfc. Paul Rubio, 31, of Bakersfield, Calif. "There are times we just read 'em for the technological parts like the new gadgets that come out. They have good stories sometimes too."
Sgt. Simon Brown, 34, of Daytona Beach, Fla., said men's magazines build morale. "It's not all about the pictures, although 80 percent of it is," he said.
Pfc. Greg Smith, 21, of Northboro, Mass., a regular Playboy reader, said soldiers should be allowed to buy nudie magazines at the exchange.
"Playboy is good entertainment while you are on the can. They have jokes and good stories," he said.
Broun, a Marine veteran, told Newsweek recently that the magazines sold in military exchanges are partly responsible for a rise in sexual assaults in the military and other problems.
"Allowing the sale of pornography on military bases has harmed military men and women by: escalating the number of violent, sexual crimes; feeding a base addiction; eroding the family as the primary building block of society; and denigrating the moral standing of our troops both here and abroad," Broun says on his Web site.
The legislation would require the DOD to annually review material that is not currently deemed sexually explicit to determine if it should be prohibited, according to the Web site.
Some soldiers say magazines that could be banned are particularly important downrange.
Brown deployed to Afghanistan in 2002 and 2005 and is preparing to go to Iraq with the 12th Combat Aviation Brigade this summer. When he was in Afghanistan he was one of the first to pick up a new copy of Maxim or FHM when it came out, he said.
"It would suck if they ban it," he said. "It's bad enough we are down there to begin with. Taking that away would be like a knife in the chest. I'm not saying I'm depending on Maxim to keep me alive over there, but it helps."
Publications such as Maxim and FHM are not named by Broun, but lowering the threshold of the sexually explicit definition might mean such magazines would be targeted for a ban.
Some troops in the Pacific region said the proposed legislation would impinge upon their personal freedoms.
"They're making it a point of undermining soldiers to almost make them feel like we're back in elementary school," Pfc. Nickolas Sears said Friday at Camp Red Cloud, South Korea. "We're all adults here, and if it's something we want to do, we should feel free to choose as we please."
Other than on base, there's no place in South Korea to buy magazines like Playboy, he said.
"I believe it's a breach of freedom of speech," said Senior Airman Garrett Deese, 25, of Elk Grove, Calif., who just completed a tour with the 8th Aircraft Maintenance Squadron at Kunsan Air Base, South Korea.
He said he wonders whether such a ban would lead to barring other types of magazines lawmakers chose to challenge. He also questioned whether Broun's link between magazines and sexual assaults within the military would stand close scrutiny.
At Yokota Air Base, Japan, military spouse Roberta Woolley said she understands the need for balance between rules and individual rights, but said the military has tougher standards than the rest of American society.
"It's a good idea," she said of the proposed ban. "I think there's better literature out there.... In the military, we sell cigarettes and alcohol legally. But it's also questionable whether they promote a healthy lifestyle.
"I've seen all these magazines, and they don't make men or women intelligent or beautiful. And even though they're hidden, there is still exposure to children as well. It's the parents' responsibility to give ideas about body awareness to their children. I don't think Mr. Hefner presents a positive image of men or women in his magazine."
A female soldier at Grafenwöhr -- Sgt. Pou McCall, 23, of Riverside, Calif. -- said men's magazines don't bother her a lot, but she'd support a ban.
"What if it was their (soldiers') sisters (in the magazines)? It doesn't take a magazine for sexual harassment to happen but it increases it," she said.
Army and Air Force Exchange service public relations manager Judd Anstey said AAFES sold $231,000 worth of Penthouse, Playboy and Playgirl magazines in Europe last year.
"Sales of these three titles account for 2.7 percent of total European magazine sales ($8.5 million) at AAFES facilities," he said.
The sales accounted for 0.5 percent of worldwide AAFES magazine sales of $46.4 million, he said.
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Stars and Stripes' reporters Vince Little, Franklin Fisher and Erik Slavin contributed to this report.
Stars and Stripes | Seth Robson | May 05, 2008
GRAFENWOHR, Germany -- Legislation that would restrict the sale of certain men's magazines on U.S. military bases around the world would be bad for morale, according to soldiers at Grafenwöhr.
U.S. Rep. Paul Broun, R-Ga., has introduced legislation that would close a loophole in the current law that allows the sale of some sexually explicit material on military bases by lowering the threshold required to deem material "sexually explicit."
A Department of Defense committee that reviews materials sold on bases ruled last year that magazines such as Playboy and Penthouse are not pornographic. But Broun's Military Honor and Decency Act includes language that could make those magazines eligible for the ban.
The prospect of missing out on men's magazines was not welcomed by soldiers at Grafenwöhr.
"We all read 'em," said Pfc. Paul Rubio, 31, of Bakersfield, Calif. "There are times we just read 'em for the technological parts like the new gadgets that come out. They have good stories sometimes too."
Sgt. Simon Brown, 34, of Daytona Beach, Fla., said men's magazines build morale. "It's not all about the pictures, although 80 percent of it is," he said.
Pfc. Greg Smith, 21, of Northboro, Mass., a regular Playboy reader, said soldiers should be allowed to buy nudie magazines at the exchange.
"Playboy is good entertainment while you are on the can. They have jokes and good stories," he said.
Broun, a Marine veteran, told Newsweek recently that the magazines sold in military exchanges are partly responsible for a rise in sexual assaults in the military and other problems.
"Allowing the sale of pornography on military bases has harmed military men and women by: escalating the number of violent, sexual crimes; feeding a base addiction; eroding the family as the primary building block of society; and denigrating the moral standing of our troops both here and abroad," Broun says on his Web site.
The legislation would require the DOD to annually review material that is not currently deemed sexually explicit to determine if it should be prohibited, according to the Web site.
Some soldiers say magazines that could be banned are particularly important downrange.
Brown deployed to Afghanistan in 2002 and 2005 and is preparing to go to Iraq with the 12th Combat Aviation Brigade this summer. When he was in Afghanistan he was one of the first to pick up a new copy of Maxim or FHM when it came out, he said.
"It would suck if they ban it," he said. "It's bad enough we are down there to begin with. Taking that away would be like a knife in the chest. I'm not saying I'm depending on Maxim to keep me alive over there, but it helps."
Publications such as Maxim and FHM are not named by Broun, but lowering the threshold of the sexually explicit definition might mean such magazines would be targeted for a ban.
Some troops in the Pacific region said the proposed legislation would impinge upon their personal freedoms.
"They're making it a point of undermining soldiers to almost make them feel like we're back in elementary school," Pfc. Nickolas Sears said Friday at Camp Red Cloud, South Korea. "We're all adults here, and if it's something we want to do, we should feel free to choose as we please."
Other than on base, there's no place in South Korea to buy magazines like Playboy, he said.
"I believe it's a breach of freedom of speech," said Senior Airman Garrett Deese, 25, of Elk Grove, Calif., who just completed a tour with the 8th Aircraft Maintenance Squadron at Kunsan Air Base, South Korea.
He said he wonders whether such a ban would lead to barring other types of magazines lawmakers chose to challenge. He also questioned whether Broun's link between magazines and sexual assaults within the military would stand close scrutiny.
At Yokota Air Base, Japan, military spouse Roberta Woolley said she understands the need for balance between rules and individual rights, but said the military has tougher standards than the rest of American society.
"It's a good idea," she said of the proposed ban. "I think there's better literature out there.... In the military, we sell cigarettes and alcohol legally. But it's also questionable whether they promote a healthy lifestyle.
"I've seen all these magazines, and they don't make men or women intelligent or beautiful. And even though they're hidden, there is still exposure to children as well. It's the parents' responsibility to give ideas about body awareness to their children. I don't think Mr. Hefner presents a positive image of men or women in his magazine."
A female soldier at Grafenwöhr -- Sgt. Pou McCall, 23, of Riverside, Calif. -- said men's magazines don't bother her a lot, but she'd support a ban.
"What if it was their (soldiers') sisters (in the magazines)? It doesn't take a magazine for sexual harassment to happen but it increases it," she said.
Army and Air Force Exchange service public relations manager Judd Anstey said AAFES sold $231,000 worth of Penthouse, Playboy and Playgirl magazines in Europe last year.
"Sales of these three titles account for 2.7 percent of total European magazine sales ($8.5 million) at AAFES facilities," he said.
The sales accounted for 0.5 percent of worldwide AAFES magazine sales of $46.4 million, he said.
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Stars and Stripes' reporters Vince Little, Franklin Fisher and Erik Slavin contributed to this report.
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Re: Soldiers Say Porn Ban May Hurt Morale
Thu, May 8, 2008 - 10:01 PMIt's nice to know that they can die in defense of our freedoms, but they can't squirt one out on the can -
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Re: Soldiers Say Porn Ban May Hurt Morale
Fri, May 9, 2008 - 4:49 PMDamn straight! We want our boys angry as hell when they are fighting! Makes 'em meaner! Git that powrno outta thar tyew-day!
Rawr!
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Re: Soldiers Say Porn Ban May Hurt Morale
Thu, May 8, 2008 - 10:15 PMPenthouse isn't pornographic? Hasn't anyone in the Pentgon seen that magazine in the last decade?
And does anyone actually buy porn magazines anymore - if I was going to buy an issue of Playboy at this point, it really would have to be for the articles.
That being said, this Paul Broun from Georgia sounds like a real asshole. Probably got a huge file of BDSM material or some such tucked away somewhere- the puritans who make the biggest fuss usually do, it seems. Well, maybe this will encourage some Demo to make a strong run against him this fall - talk about not supporting the troops. -
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Re: Soldiers Say Porn Ban May Hurt Morale
Thu, May 8, 2008 - 10:26 PMdamn
that seems kind of nuts
You guys should have seen all the hookers and strip clubs outside Clark AFB when I was there.............(probably dating myself)
nothing like a stroke or the old in out in out to blow off some steam..........
must be the social conservatives up to no good
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Re: Soldiers Say Porn Ban May Hurt Morale
Thu, May 8, 2008 - 10:27 PM"And does anyone actually buy porn magazines anymore - if I was going to buy an issue of Playboy at this point, it really would have to be for the articles. "
You say that know, but just imagine if you were stuck in some hell hole in Afghanistan -
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Re: Soldiers Say Porn Ban May Hurt Morale
Thu, May 8, 2008 - 10:43 PMwhile the soldiers are not allowed to look at boobs/pussies..or dicks.......the politicians who pretend to be the " police of morals and values" are jacking off, banging hookers or are getting off while enjoying a GLORY HOLE......some dominatrix is whooping their ass.....or they do the "tea room tap dance".
JUST SICKENING.
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Re: Soldiers Say Porn Ban May Hurt Morale
Thu, May 8, 2008 - 10:44 PM"Penthouse isn't pornographic?"
Actually in the last 6-8 years they've been doing full penetration photo series in every mag...so they are much more pornographic than Playboy nowadays...
Not that I care if a soldier twists one off...I mean shit, I do it...who doesn't? -
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Re: Soldiers Say Porn Ban May Hurt Morale
Thu, May 8, 2008 - 10:51 PMIf i were Larry Flynt or Hugh Hefner....i would send ship-loads of mags/vids to the troops...for free.
all of them are potential customers in the future.
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Re: Soldiers Say Porn Ban May Hurt Morale
Thu, May 8, 2008 - 10:53 PMor not...if the war continues -
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Re: Soldiers Say Porn Ban May Hurt Morale
Thu, May 8, 2008 - 11:18 PMthis is a pathetic piece of legislation sponsored by a pathetic piece of shit. . .leave the soldiers alone, they are willing to die for you.
A Kick in the Butt to those who sign on to this bill. . . -
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Re: Soldiers Say Porn Ban May Hurt Morale
Thu, May 8, 2008 - 11:52 PM
This is incredibly retarded. What man actually bans porn? He must be running some crazy kiddie porn underground ring. All these mega social conservatives seem to be hiding their secret lives wile doing the exact opposite in their public lives.
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Re: Soldiers Say WAR May Hurt Morale
Fri, May 9, 2008 - 8:46 AM
If you ban porn, aren't you just encouraging homosexuality?
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Re: Soldiers Say Porn Ban May Hurt Morale
Fri, May 9, 2008 - 10:44 AMThey will have to place greater reliance on their imaginations -- and hope they don't get caught by the thought MPs. -
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Fri, May 9, 2008 - 10:50 AM"thought MPs"
Don't think, don't tell? -
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Re: Soldiers Say Porn Ban May Hurt Morale
Fri, May 9, 2008 - 10:53 AMTheir emblem could be a wet nap -
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Re: Soldiers Say Porn Ban May Hurt Morale
Fri, May 9, 2008 - 11:09 AMI say more porn and less unnecessary wars. Lets bring those boys (and girls) home and put 'em to work building useful infrastructure like a national train network. And if elected I will put a copy of Penthouse and Hustler in every soldier's backpack.
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Re: Soldiers Say Porn Ban May Hurt Morale
Fri, May 9, 2008 - 11:16 AM<< "They're making it a point of undermining soldiers to almost make them feel like we're back in elementary school," Pfc. Nickolas Sears said Friday at Camp Red Cloud, South Korea. "We're all adults here, and if it's something we want to do, we should feel free to choose as we please." >>
The Church Lady goes to war.
Seriously, a nation that treats its defenders like children must be Hell-bent on losing wars. This is what must inevitably come of putting affairs in the hands of the sheltered, the ill-educated, the superstitious and provincial.
The Right always bitches at the Left for "social engineering," but it should be obvious to anyone not in a drugged stupor the former's long, divisive, expensive effort to remake post-1960s America into a kind of swollen Mayberry has quite comprehensively failed.
Maybe one day, we can actually get the Bill of Rights back. -
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Re: Soldiers Say Porn Ban May Hurt Morale
Sat, May 10, 2008 - 8:39 AMHell in Vietnam we would sneak hookers onto base and set them up in the supply room or barracks. We even had had hookers in the jungle for lunch breaks. Hard to believe the bass had no idea what was going on. Kept folks happy.
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