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We must have democracy! We think we have democracy but we don't. We have a democracy on paper.
Democracy should be rule of the people, by the people and for the people. Democracy should mean that we own the society.
But our society is not structured for democracy, so the government and the economy are owned by the corporations.
We have to stop this pretense and democratize the society.
1) Money out of politics, publicly funded elections
2) Proportional representation
3) initiative, referendum and recall in all districts
4) limit the number of radio or tv stations that can be privately owned
5) restoration of the Fairness Doctrine and Section 315 of the broadcast code
6: debate based campaigning
7) Instant Run-off voting
8) NOTA none of the above on ballots
9) elimination of the electoral college
10) voters holiday
11) curbs on lobbyists
these are provisions of democratic structuralism. . .
Democracy should be rule of the people, by the people and for the people. Democracy should mean that we own the society.
But our society is not structured for democracy, so the government and the economy are owned by the corporations.
We have to stop this pretense and democratize the society.
1) Money out of politics, publicly funded elections
2) Proportional representation
3) initiative, referendum and recall in all districts
4) limit the number of radio or tv stations that can be privately owned
5) restoration of the Fairness Doctrine and Section 315 of the broadcast code
6: debate based campaigning
7) Instant Run-off voting
8) NOTA none of the above on ballots
9) elimination of the electoral college
10) voters holiday
11) curbs on lobbyists
these are provisions of democratic structuralism. . .
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Re: Independence is not enough. .
Sat, July 4, 2009 - 8:23 AMNice going Lorenzo,
thats a great list and a starting point,
ever since i was a kid, I always wondered why
voting wasn't a three day weekend / holiday event,,,
to expect people to go out in the week, during a work day
to stand in line and then tell people to vote is to ask for too
much, tho it makes you wonder about the powers that be,
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Re: Independence is not enough. .
Sat, July 4, 2009 - 8:27 AMwe keep have to fight so many battles and it is because we get what the corporations and the elite want, not what we want. .
well, it's obvious. . .democratic structuralism is just a means to an end. . .but it's like if your car doesn't have a transmission, no steering wheel and no radiator, then no wonder if you only get to go where the tow truck takes you. . -
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Sun, July 5, 2009 - 3:24 PMI understand that the initiative, referendum and recall are sacred cows of the progressive movement, but I have come to oppose all three.
These are electoral techniques that are almost invariably coopted by special interest groups these days to achieve things that harm the public interest.
Since the passage of Proposition 13 in California in 1978, there has not been a single initiative measure passed that I can name that has done substantial public good. On the contrary, 13 and the rest of the Jarvis Gann anti government measures, all the mandates passed to force certain portions of state funds to be spent on specific problems, Prop 209, Three Strikes and a host of other measures have done serious, perhaps irreparable harm to the public interest. All were bankrolled by special interests to benefit special interests. None of them was actually intended to produce a public benefit.
Referenda suffer the same failing: they can only be enacted with the assistance of special interest campaign money. That, in and of itself, means they are almost certain to benefit special interests and harm the public interest.
The same is true of the recall: How did Arnold "Do Nothing" Schwarzenegger get into office? Through the use of a recall campaign in which a know-nothing who had never even served on a public school board used special interest money -- including millions upon millions of dollars from employer organizations, the California Association of Manufacturers, the state Chamber of Commerce and other fat cat interest groups -- to win office. Since then, he has presided over continuing budget tumult in the state with no particular sense of urgency, running up the biggest budget deficit in state history while sitting in his hot tub and smoking his stinky stogies.
Direct democracy is a sham. It just creates the illusion of democracy while special interest groups pull the strings. Do you want to put your future into the hands of the moronic 52 percent of the U.S. public that voted to reelect Bush in 2004? You know that when the special interests call out the tune, those 52 percent start dancing their asses off... -
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Sun, July 5, 2009 - 3:48 PMI think you're right, Bill. Meant to say something to that effect in my first post but got distracted by the media ownership thing.
The initiative process has had a few good moments, such as the passage of prop 215 to legalize medical marijuana, but they're seriously outweighed by the disasters like three strikes, prop 13, 208, etc.
I suppose one could argue that if all the other reforms were passed and money's influence were severely limited the initiative process might work okay, but I I am still doubtful. Representative democracy has checks and balances, at least theoretically. There's no check to mob mentality.
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Re: Independence is not enough. .
Sat, July 4, 2009 - 8:48 PM<to expect people to go out in the week, during a work day
to stand in line and then tell people to vote is to ask for too
much, tho it makes you wonder about the powers that be,
great list,,, >
Its that way by design to keep the poor from dominating the country.
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Sat, July 4, 2009 - 8:49 PMJust curious, what is the point of number 4, what is wrong with privately owned t.v. and radio? -
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Sat, July 4, 2009 - 9:08 PMOregon was one of the first states to institute a vote by mail system, and to date it's worked with little controversy, and has increased voter participation. I did enjoy the civic ritual of visiting the neighborhood poling preceinct. -
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Sun, July 5, 2009 - 8:21 AMJohn,the "problem" with privatly owned television and radio is corporations making BIG bucks off of something that used to be "free to every household".
before the advent of Cable Television,local broadcasts were brought into the home via an antenna,but somewhere along the way Americans got hooked on Cable with it's clearer picture and hundreds of channels and just as Cable TV Providers predicted,Americans got HOOKED on it like a Drug so they jacked UP the price!
The same is true of Sirrius Radio,who really cares about a Satellite Radio Subscription except the providers who are raking in the BIG bucks offering it up?
Americans need to get less "dependent" on these expensive luxuries and remember back when TV and Radio were "free to all Americans".
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Sun, July 5, 2009 - 1:09 PM<Just curious, what is the point of number 4, what is wrong with privately owned t.v. and radio? >
The problem isn't privately owned media John, it's the consoldation of the media into a tiny number of huge corporations that then dictate what everybody sees and hears. -
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Re: Independence is not enough. .
Sun, July 5, 2009 - 1:13 PMWhere does all the money raised for political campaigns go to?
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Re: Independence is not enough. .
Sun, July 5, 2009 - 1:48 PM<< The problem isn't privately owned media John, it's the consoldation of the media into a tiny number of huge corporations >>
Which is the irrepressible pull-towards-monopoly of capitalism. The logic of the system demands it.
This is not an endorsement of 4 above. I think it a classically bad idea to give ANY government that kind of power over expression and the news. It's been tried and failed to produce anything but varying degrees of misery and repression. -
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Sun, July 5, 2009 - 3:51 PM<This is not an endorsement of 4 above. I think it a classically bad idea to give ANY government that kind of power over expression and the news. It's been tried and failed to produce anything but varying degrees of misery and repression.>
I'd just like to point out that the BBC is one of the best if not the best news sources on the planet.
And limiting the concentration of media ownership is not the same 'governemnt power over expression', any more than Teddy Roosevelt's breaking up of Standard oil meant the government was taking control of the oil supply.
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Re: Independence is not enough. .
Sun, July 5, 2009 - 1:07 PMI agree, mosto f those steps are necessary for a government that is by, for, and of the people.
Not so sure about proportional representation - I think if you have Instant Run Off voting, that should end up giving smaller parties a much more important role.